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I agree with everything proposed, even Queen.
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One Piece Lasers
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That's not the same thing as a statement from a "reliable source".
It resembling the lasers from Franky & Kizaru is why I'd consider it for "possibly Lightspeed".
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I definitely agree with Kuma, Franky, and Queen; however, I'm somewhat neutral on Ichiji for now because I think both sides are making some level of sense.
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I'm confused about this
hard to figure out what you mean 
I still don't know what Kanji means... Is it a different Japanese wording? oh I understand now but still need better wording and explaining 
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When Queen charges his laser, there is SFx (sound effects) around him when he's charging up the laser (around most actions in the series).I'm confused about this
Those specific SFx are ピカ, which mean Pika. Pika means light, and it's the origin of Kizaru's fruit (Pika Pika no Mi).
It's also what's used with Kizaru's flashes and lasers throughout the series.
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Oh I don't read the manga so I didn't know where ピカ or pika came from... that actually would mean its the same laser as kizaru's
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That's the point of the thread.that actually would mean its the same laser as kizaru's
Queen's Lasers = Pacifista's Lasers = Kizaru's Lasers
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Yee just was confusing the way you worded everything
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I also agree with Queens laser
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DDM, Elizhaa, and Damage all agreed with Franky and Kuma, so I'll add those.
Ichiji and Queen are still up for debate.
Ichiji and Queen are still up for debate.
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Ichiji I'm still not certain about either way. While it's possible his attack is lightspeed, I don't think it has been called as such in the Databook unlike Niji who was specified to have a lightspeed attack.
It is possible that his projectiles are made out of light but aren't necessarily lightspeed. Kizaru can make a sword entirely out of light, but the speed of his sword isn't derived from what it is made of (since it can held stationary) but it derived from Kizaru swinging it around like any other sword. So, similar to that, Ichiji could shoot out energy beams / light beams from his hands but to me, they aren't confirmed as being straightforward lightspeed yet.
Because of this, I'm more comfortable with listing him as having a Possibly/Likely Lightspeed attack instead of being fully lightspeed, though I understand why others would disagree.
It is possible that his projectiles are made out of light but aren't necessarily lightspeed. Kizaru can make a sword entirely out of light, but the speed of his sword isn't derived from what it is made of (since it can held stationary) but it derived from Kizaru swinging it around like any other sword. So, similar to that, Ichiji could shoot out energy beams / light beams from his hands but to me, they aren't confirmed as being straightforward lightspeed yet.
Because of this, I'm more comfortable with listing him as having a Possibly/Likely Lightspeed attack instead of being fully lightspeed, though I understand why others would disagree.
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But is there any reason why the others wouldn't be light speed? it should all be light speed... Nothing in the series pictures it to be not light speed like the rest
if it's called a laser or moves in a straight path should be kinda automatically be light speed since other lasers are stated to move at the speed of light
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A lot of lasers in fiction don't have lightspeed statements, but since they fulfill requirements, it wouldn't matter. We don't need an exact statement for everything if it can be proven with alternative evidence.
We know, and it's possible that they're made out of light and are lightspeed.
Kizaru is a whole ball of whack since we see 2 other techniques of his moving at lightspeed and are made out of the same light.
We see Kizaru keeping his lasers charging in one place before he fires them.
He can manipulate his light, Ichiji can't. How Ichiji fires it is how it moves.
Ichiji has irl qualities of light and VSBW standards of light. It being a "likely" or "possibly" because it doesn't have an exact statement of lightspeed means that we should go to every page with "Speed of Light" without a lightspeed statement and add a likely because the author didn't confirm if it was lightspeed.
Everyone's entitled to their opinion.
The right side is Ichiji's databook found here. This is the only place I could find it. If someone wants to translate it, go ahead.
I see 光, the Kanji for light.
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Wait a minute.
Stated to be made of light and comes from a realistic technological source.
Don't those 2 requirements already qualify for SoL?
Stated to be made of light and comes from a realistic technological source.
Don't those 2 requirements already qualify for SoL?
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Those are two requirements, yeah. That's why I said I was fine with Possibly/Likely Lightspeed. If those requirements didn't exist, then I obviously wouldn't be in favor of that much.
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Sorry for misinterpreting you (and if I got any kind of hostile), I thought you only agreed because it was possible that it was the same laser as the Pacifista's.
If it has 2 requirements by itself and a possible third with no anti-criteria and it's against 2/3 of the anti criteria (consistent speed [shown only once in the series] and moves straight). I'm assuming that would be good enough.
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I believe I was referring to Queen regarding that.
EDIT: Regarding Ichiji, I'll see what the translation request brings back.
EDIT2: And bear in mind, I'm not trying to argue "No, I definitely think Ichiji's attack is below lightspeed", so don't think I'm trying to be overly harsh here.
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2/5, we need a few requirements for it to work, and 2 is good
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I agree with this.
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What else needs to be tackled to see if this is completely declined or accepted?
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Wait for more people to see what they have or think?
that databook still needs to be translated right?...
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It doesn't need to be translated, I just said if someone wanted to find more info, they can.
Gotcha
Gotcha, thanks
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We have not finished discussing Queen's and Ichiji's lasers and nobody has conceded on both ends.
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That's not a reason to keep this open. You brought up why you want Likely removed in the OP and that was addressed. If threads stayed open until the poster conceded we would have a lot of open threads.
Of course it is different if there is still meaningful discussion being had but it looks like at this point we're just waiting on material that may or may not come at anytime which is what new threads are for.
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Let me add on then.
Queen's lasers show the light onomatopoeia and it's from a realistic source. And like I proved in the OP
He would've had the same tech.
2 Criteria fulfilled outside of the Vegapunk portion.
Which means he has lightspeed lasers.
Queen qualifies.
Ichiji's powers are light based and they come from a technological source.
2 Criteria fulfilled.
Which means he has lightspeed lasers.
Ichiji qualifies.
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It was my understanding you are waiting for confirmation about this? If you can provide the material right now go for it. If you are waiting/hoping for it to come to you this should be closed.
I am okay with Queen getting the laser but I want to respect the rule about raid revisions.
Also if their is a "onomatopoeia" in every instance Kizaru's laser/replica is used then that counts as evidence against Ichi.
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No because Ichiji doesn't charge up his laser like the others, he just shoots it out.
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All the more reason it does not get a pass. it is too dissimilar and every LS feat was given such strictly because of the similarity, because it mimicks the other in form and execution.
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It mainly got a pass because it was light and it was formed out of a technological source.
You're telling me because the source of the laser isn't the same as a robot or a light human that it shouldn't qualify?
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It literally says "his powers were supposed to be fire instead of light ones", which I addressed on the thread you just quoted me from.
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