One Piece General Revisions

[The_Calaca]

So Katakuri wasn't the first to let Luffy win. ovo

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

So Katakuri wasn't the first to let Luffy win. ovo

Right. Do you see the Marine Ford Arc Croco boy being stronger than Moriah?

I wonder if he followed a bit of Saitama's workout routine while imprisoned on the 6th floor...

 

[Ercosore]

I would like to point out two things regarding SA Moriah, the first one being that he never actually hit luffy when he had the 1000 shadows, which he needed for the 7-A feat, he tried to attack Luffy, but he dodged and managed to attack Moriah twice, which make him loose a lot of shadows, then Moriah managed to hit him.

The second thing would be that Moriah took part of the beating that Nightmare Luffy gave to Oars, it was even mentioned that Moriah was barely concious and was having problems manipulation the shadows.



So even if Moriah was 7-A at max power that doesnt necesarialy means Luffy scales to him.

 

[The_Calaca]

I would like to point out two things regarding SA Moriah, the first one being that he never actually hit luffy when he had the 1000 shadows, which he needed for the 7-A feat, he tried to attack Luffy, but he dodged and managed to attack Moriah twice, which make him loose a lot of shadows, then Moriah managed to hit him.

Isn't he Shadow Asgard Moriah ?

 

[Ercosore]

The first image happened after the ones I posted, he still have a lot of shadows inside him, but it was still least than when performed the 7-A feat, remember the more shadows the stronger he was, thus loosing them made him weaker. The second one I don't really remember when it happened, was that when he created the crack in the ground?

 

[The_Calaca]

I think it is (the second one). I took the pages from the respect thread posted above.

 

[Ercosore]

Ok I just checked, the second one was indeed the one of the feat, however he didn't actually hit Luffy with that attack.

 

[The_Calaca]

And the first one happened before the feat then?

 

[Ercosore]

the feat is the first thing that happens, then Luffy attacks Moriah twice, making him loose shadows, thus weakening him, and then Moriah managed to hit Luffy.

 

[The_Calaca]

Well. I think we need to judge how small or many shadows did Moriah lost after Luffy's attacks. I think it's maybe 7-B tho. But that's a estimate.

 

[Ercosore]

I do think he should be in the 7-B range, sadly I don't think there is a way to have quantity how many shadows he lost. At most we can say Luffy resisted an attack unquantifiable higher than 7-C that its also unquantifiable lower than 7-A, which doesn't really help.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

I would like to point out two things regarding SA Moriah, the first one being that he never actually hit luffy when he had the 1000 shadows, which he needed for the 7-A feat, he tried to attack Luffy, but he dodged and managed to attack Moriah twice, which make him loose a lot of shadows, then Moriah managed to hit him.

Isn't he Shadow Asgard Moriah ?

What kind of an idiot breaks his own ship?

 

[The_Calaca]

Moriah's kind.

 

[Ercosore]

Yeah, he kinda attacked his own ship for no good reason.

 

[Gear2ndGandalf]

Moriah's kind.

Haha yeah well anyway that feat should be well above town level.

 

[Js250476]

Well Robin did say he let his pride and anger get the better of him

 

[Captain_Torch]

So I just quickly checked out the 7-A calc, and noticed that the scaling is very off. He used the spider's head for scaling, and somehow got 10 meters for it, while it's only 2 meters max. Then in the 2nd panel, he scaled the window using the spider, who was on the background, which isn't allowed. So the island is actually more than 10 times smaller, which downgrades the feat A LOT

 

[Cmue0312]

I gathered all the feats from this thread and some I found into this nice organized list:

Alabasta Arc

Crocodile's Desert Spada: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/U...ocodile.27s_Desert_Spada_-_8-A_.28Accepted.29 (484.3375 Tons - 8-A)

Gomu Gomu no Storm: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CinCameron20/Gomu_Gomu_no_Storm~ (This one is odd as it's made of multiple calculations that should be looked at)

Skypiea

Enel's El Thor (Cin): https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CinCameron20/Enel's_El_Thor (1.5 Kilotons - Low 7-C)

Enel's El Thor (Naruto Forums): https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/enels-el-thor.14333/ (19 Kilotons - 7-C)

Luffy's Golden Rifle: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Kepekley23/Project_NF:_One_Piece_Stuff (1.217 Kilotons - Low 7-C)

Enel's casual lightning: https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/one-piece-calc-26-enels-casual-lightning-dc.26672/ (96.118 Kilotons - 7-C)

Wiper's Reject Dial (Re-calc): https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-bl...the-resultant-re-evaluations-one-piece.20582/ (12.6 Kilotons - 7-C)

Thriller Bark, Marineford Saga

Moriah's Island splitter: http://web.archive.org/web/20160505...xfa-blog-entry/moriahs-island-splitter.14662/ (Says Low 7-C but theirs no amount of energy given)

Kuma's Ursa Shockwave: https://birdofhermes13.wordpress.com/2018/07/22/kumas-ursus-shockwave/ (6.7 Megatons - 7-B)

Franky survives an explosio: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:TataHakai/One_Piece:_Franky_presses_a_butto. (11.25 Kilotons - 7-C)

Fishman Island

Luffy smashes a cliff: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CinCameron20/Fishman_Arc_Luffy_tier (607 Kilotons - High 7-C+)

Also the CP9 agents all have a Doriki number which directly measures their power: https://********.org/chapter/64578/7

 

[Captain_Torch]

@Cmue

Thank you a lot, you are a life saver! This should make scaling a lot easier.

Alright, here we go.

1)Crocodile's Desert Espada

Since this calc is accepted, I guess it can be used. I'm more leaning towards the narutoforums versio, which resulted in 167 tons, since narutoforums usually uses more precise scaling, but it's 8-A anyways, so I don't really mind either version.

2)Gomu Gomu no Storm

This one is weird, since cin himself said that the tunnel part is wrong, so this feat would result in 200 tons or something, which is still 8-A. I'd say we disregard this calc, given that there are flaws that calc members found and the calc itself is unclear.

3)Enel's El Thor

Either version can be used tbh. The narutoforums uses a different El Thor feat, so going with the narutoforums version is fine, a.k.a 17 kilotons.

This shouldn't scale to anyone but Enel though.

4)Reject Dial/Golden Rifle

I already said my thoughts about it. I agree with the feat, and it should scale to Lucci and Gear 2nd, since lucci mentioned that his rokyogan is comparable to a reject dial. And the golden rifle feat can scale to base luffy.

5)Moriah's feat

Volume = 4435861.70 m^3 (taken from the feat)

This is fragmentation, so:

E = 4435861.70 * 1000000 * 8 = 35486893600000 joules = 8.4 kilotons, a.k.a Town level

Asgard Moriah should scale to G2 Luffy though, so this is just a bit feat.

6)Kuma's Ursus Shockwave

This calc hasn't been accepted yet, and the calcer usually uses incorrect scalings, so I'm very iffy on this feat.

7)Franky survives an Explosio

Oh, I never saw this feat! The calc itself looks fine, so it can be used.

8)Luffy's Haki Punch

Honestly, I'm slightly unsure, since narutoforums got 40 kilotons(updated in the comments) for this feat. I'm neutral on this.

 

[Cmue0312]

Your welcome. I found this feat for Wiper. I would have added it but it wouldn't load for some reason.

Wiper's Burn Bazooka: https://www.narutoforums.org/xfa-blog-entry/wipers-burn-bazooka-new-energy-figure.18413/ (1.97 Kilotons - Low 7-C)

I noticed Naruto Forumns didn't account for Crocodile being able to create 4 La Spada's at once. In Cin's calc he took the 1 La Spada and multipled it by 4 to get the final results.

Crocodile making 4 La Spadas: https://********.org/chapter/61412/16

Should we do the same with the Naruto Forumns results?

One last thing. Well we're rescaling Pre-timeskip feats we should finally do something about these East Blue feats: https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:CinCameron20/One_Piece_-_High_8-C_East_Blue_Feats

 

[Captain_Torch]

^

Yeah, this one is accepted as well

This should also justify sanji and zoro being Low 7-C, via scaling to wiper

 

[Ercosore]

There were a lot of high 8-C feats during east blue. And thanks Cmue0312, for organizing the feats, its really helpful.

Edit: From His link

Buggy ball: 6.358 Tons of Tn'T ('High 8-C)

Buchi´s Flying Drop Kick: 6.01477849904 Tons of Tnt (High 8-C)

Luffy levels Arlong Park: 3.9435640535373 Tons of Tnt (High 8-C)

 

[Js250476]

There's also this from Arlong https://vsbattles.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:Calaca_Vs/Arlong's_Lifting_Strength

 

[The_Calaca]

And is consistent with Hachi lifting 1.8 tons from his swords. Remember that Zoro stomped Hachi while severely injured.

 

[Ercosore]

Seems like East blue doesnt have any problems.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Bump

 

[The_Calaca]

If East Blue has no problems we should go to Arabasta and find all the available information.

 

[Captain_Torch]

Agreed.

So, Arabasta Luffy and Croc have consistent 8-A feats, so I'd say they should be there.

Sanji and Zoro... honestly unsure. They do most likely scale to Luffy at that point. At the minimum they should be "Likely 8-A".

Meanwhile the other straw hats should be High 8-C, via East Blue calcs(Unsure).

 

[Damage3245]

Makes sense to me.

 

[The_Calaca]

What about Luffy vs Laboon? What do you think about it?

 

[Damage3245]

Where is that? There's a calc for it?

 

[The_Calaca]

Chapter 104. IDK if there's a calc.

 

[Damage3245]

Luffy barely seems to do any damage to Laboon tbh. Nothing quantifiable at least.

 

[The_Calaca]

But I guess that just as with Shadow AsgardMoriah we could get a feat for Luffy's resistance to blunt force. If someone scales Laboon then we could get a calc to it.

 

[Ercosore]

Speaking of the other strawhats, does anyone know when was the fight with Mr 4? There may be something there that would help us scae Alabasta Ussop and Chopper.

 

[The_Calaca]

I'm currently reading Drum Island Arc. IDK.

 

[Cmue0312]

The fights begin at chapter 181. https://********.org/chapter/61255/7

 

[Ercosore]

Thank you.

 

[Js250476]

So I've been reading over Laboon's chapter debut and it seems he's somewhat comparable to Reverse Mountain in size https://www.***********.net/one-piece/102/4 https://www.***********.net/one-piece/103/21

Maybe these could be scaling images for him idk

 

[The_Calaca]

I'll update a glossary for the most significant things I found on East Blue Saga. I think it's supportings feats more than anything else but should be useful.