GodlyCharmander
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The attack clearly damaged him beyond a reasonable direct scaling. It's 4x stronger than him, so it doesn't one shot (7.5x), it makes sense, technically.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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It doesn't seem to let me post the link, the thread is One Piece post-timeskip update #2
It's in the latest messages that they talk about God tier scaling and them scaling to 6-B+.
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It was Kin, Denjiro, Ashura, and Inu.
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And don't forget that it's through their full power that they would be 4× below Oden.
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There's ANOTHER ONE? I thought current god tiers scale over Fujitora's 62 teratons-
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I just chalked it up to "plot". Any other scenario and he would've more than likely been one shotted. Even if Dragon Kaido and the god tiers scale x4 over them, I feel like Conqueror's coating would be over 7x? Between his base and Zoan form he hasn't shown too big of a difference in power, only Hybrid stands out as a higher thing.
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That's the one
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So roughly 15.5 Teratons.
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That already got accepted. The God tiers currently all scale off Fujitora. All they need is to implement it. Check the post timeskip revisions thread-
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Where'd you get this number from
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I swear... One Piece fans in this site just keep throwing out numbers for multipliers with no basis....
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That was just what he feelt like, he didn't accept it as a fact.
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I never mentioned specifically him. I'm talking about the One Piece page as a whole, and all of the multipliers put of characters, with seemingly no concrete basis.
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How? Example?
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That's just the difference between the calcs... I think
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It's not.
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You can't just put multipliers with no basis... They definitely have basis, just because you don't know them doesn't mean they don't have any basis.
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I didn't? I was throwing out the idea that if it did go on to one shot Kin it wouldn't be below that.
Conqueror's Coating can be argued to be a one shot multiplier from a lower value 6-B to a higher value 6-B. Like the fact that Kaido with Ragnarok KO'D Luffy because it had CoC coating, while earlier hits like Boro Breath and whatnot didn't.
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I've been looking for threads and reasoning for the multipliers for months. I've found none. If you have a link to the thread where the multipliers were proposed, that would be neat.
GodlyCharmander
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Take two seconda to read the verse page.
Wyper is 10x the previous value due to the Reject Dial, which multiplies the impact by 10 times. Thus, Impact Dial = 7-C AP, Reject Dial = 10x 7-C AP.
Hakuba was directly stated to be twice as strong as Cabbage.
The pills that double your power are the reasoning behind this.
Literally, that's basic knowledge of the series.
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Thank you.
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and then used 4x as a minimum or something
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Basically those are for Luffy's Strongest Attacks like King Kong Gun in Gear Fourth, which has been agreed to be At least 4x stronger than his Gear Third.
Although given the recent downgrade, most of the notes should be updated
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Oh okay for some reason I thought this was a number that the wiki accepted or smth
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he "stalemated" him
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Prime Rayleigh is featless and there was already a matchup on here where it was agreed on that Oden>Rayleigh.
Prime Gaban is weaker than Rayleigh who is weaker than Oden.
Prime Oden>Oden who fought Kaido and the Oden who fought Kaido was put on the same pedestal as Rocks, Roger, and Prime Whitebeard by Current Kaido. Nobody said that admirals are fodder but Kaido would beat every admiral except Prime Garp in a 1 vs 1, and Oden gave Kaido lifelong PTSD. If anything, for you to think that Prime Oden isn't>admirals, shows how much you underestimate him.
I generally have my problems with the changes on Oden and Kaido's profiles.
What I would change about Oden's profile:
"Prior to his prime, he took a Haoshoku Haki infused attack from Gol D. Roger and stood back up with minor injuries"->"Prior to his prime, he took a Busoshoku Haki imbued and Haoshoku Haki coated named attack from Gol D. Roger and stood back up with minor injuries".
Pretty sure the attack was imbued with Armament Haki and coated with CoC.
What I would change about Kaido's profile:
"Can match a furious Kozuki Oden blow for blow, implied to be comparable to him, and defeated Oden when the latter was stronger than when he'd fought Prime Whitebeard"->"Can match a furious Kozuki Oden blow for blow and was implied to be comparable to him."
Oden was rusty when he fought Kaido so that wasn't even Prime Oden and I wouldn't use Kaido cheap-shotting Oden when Oden was already injured and distracted by the Kurozumi witch, as a strength feat. Because if we go by that, if Axe Hand Morgan gets a profile, he'd be "possibly 6-B" because he slashed Garp's chest clean open with an axe even though Garp was caught off guard, just like how Oden was caught off guard because he was distracted by thinking that his son was taken hostage.
"Knocked back Kozuki Oden with a Boro Breath"->Knocked back a rusty, no Buso Kozuki Oden with Boro Breath."
I mean, hell, even the whole "Can match a furious Kozuki Oden blow for blow and was implied to be comparable to him" sentence on Kaido's profile could be changed to "Can match a rusty, furious Kozuki Oden for blow to blow and was implied to be comparable to him" while on Oden's profile, it could be changed to "can match Kaido blow to blow while using one sword, was rusty against Kaido, made a big scar on his chest, and was about to kill him.
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GodlyCharmander
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Fujitora is 7-A without--- Okay.
GodlyCharmander
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We never agreed Oden is objectively stronger in AP (in values), or Speed, we agreed he'd win in a battle because they scale to the same value, and Oden has more versatile options, and had more feats to justify his ratings
Sorry, but I believe you're being a little fanboy'ish.
"I'm pretty sure" isn't an argument.
On god, why do you never elaborate WHY he was rusty?
The name of that is outlier, my dude. Kaido's feat is legit.so that wasn't even Prime Oden and I wouldn't use Kaido cheap-shotting Oden when Oden was already injured and distracted by the Kurozumi witch, as a strength feat. Because if we go by that, if Axe Hand Morgan gets a profile, he'd be "possibly 6-B" because he slashed Garp's chest clean open with an axe even though Garp was caught off guard, just like how Oden was caught off guard because he was distracted by thinking that his son was taken hostage.
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I mean I was just stating the reason on why people were asking why he scales
GodlyCharmander
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Shouldn't Fujitora be 6-C for matching Zoro, or is that Anime Only?I mean I was just stating the reason on why people were asking why he scales
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You still didn't give me one reason as to why you think Prime Rayleigh is above admirals and Prime Oden isn't. Nothing in the story speaks for that. Current Kaido put Oden on the same pedestasl as Rayleigh's captain and Prime Rayleigh is FEATLESS and wanted to gang up on a Pre Laughtale Oden together with Scopper.
Said the person who overrates Prime Rayleigh who is featless.
It isn't supposed to be an argument. It's a fact. Divine Departure is a Buso imbued and Hao coated named attack.
On god, why are you ignoring the 5 years of humiliation and the fact that Kaido and his army were becoming stronger during those years while Oden didn't train?
Hitting someone when they're distracted and injured isn't a "legit" feat. It isn't a strength feat at all. You call anything an outlier these days. If Kaido's feat of cheap-shotting an distracted Oden is legit, then so is Morgan's feat of cheap-shotting Garp lmfao.
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Idk, Didn’t the fuji meteor feat get recalced and yield some good results?
GodlyCharmander
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He said "few ones who can fight me", which could be referring to those who have Haoshoku Coating.
Old Rayleigh ~ Kizaru
Prime Rayleigh > Old Rayleigh, it isn't too hard to consider this.
I don't quite remember it being coated in Armament in the Manga.
Because time itself isn't enough to weaken a character in One Piece, period. Either provide a tangible evidence that he is rusty, or stop saying that altogether.
This isn't dragon ball.
Injured from what again? Remind me.
I will presume you said "You" as in, "you all", not me personally, because I actually avoid this term a lot.
The first one is a 6-B character knocking another 6-B character out, the second one is a 8-C character, who just got defeated by another 8-C character, damaging a 6-C character before he was even established as a big shot in the narrative.
The fact you even remotely CONSIDERED both to be comparable scenarios makes me think you're beyond basic reasoning.
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6-B**, sorry I got ocd lol
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He was very clear about the ones who he was talking about.
Yeah...no. All Old Rayleigh could do, was to stall Kizaru. He was out of breath quickly and panted, while Kizaru was still trolling around.
I said it was imbued with Buso and coated with Hao.
When you stop training for 5 years, you are rusty. Not my fault you can't comprehend this. That was literally the whole point of the hostage situation.
No, this is One Piece, where characters are often defeated because they were distracted.
Boro Breath, probably much more. Majority of the fight was offscreen in the manga, so don't ask me, ask Oda.
Point is that cheap-shotting a injured person while they're distracted, isn't a valid strength feat. Going by your logic, a club hit of Kaido>a haki imbued and CoC coated named attack from Roger. And Garp is 6-B.
You seem really butthurt when all I did, was say the truth, the whole distraction thing was mentioned by many characters in the story.
Go read this, then come back.
