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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

MonkeyOfLife said:
Well... Think about it, 2nd strongest in the black beards crew 🧐... Still no?
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Still no, this one feat completely outclasses Shiryu and it isn't even Zoro at his strongest or his best.
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It stats equalized, Queen would probably be one of the strongest Yonko Commanders 🤔.

He doesn't have the crazy stat amps characters like Zoro have, but laser danmaku launched by someone whose dead even with you in speed? That's gonna mess a lot of people up ngl.

Plus normal zoan stuff. Built in stat amp via transformation, insane endurance, etc etc.
 
SlendVeny said:
But they're all fighting at once, they all have to predict and dodge each other.
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I mean Katakuri would probably be warmed by his observation of Bepo transformed and immediately tried blitzing someone. Since he'd see a future where he starts attacking.

Tho I mean tbh if Bepo starts transforming mid battle the chances of Suiryu going in for the sneak attack is also rather high ngl. He's definitely the type who would take advantage of any opportunity like that.
 
Damage3245 said:
What about Zoro (no Enma) vs. Shiryu?
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I'd still rank Zoro above him in terms of strength, even without including it. Without delving too deeply into scaling, with Buso Haki, Zoro was on par with King, who is more or less above Marco. And Marco seems stronger than Shiryu based on what we've seen. Also, Zoro has Hao infusion which is a significant power boost on top of that.
SlendVeny said:
If Zoro struggles with Shiryu, that will make him a small time impel down thug
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Not saying he can't be stronger, but I don't believe in giving the benefit of the doubt now just because he's theorized to fight Zoro in the future when his current feats are significantly below Zoro at his best.
 
Eminiteable said:
Still no, this one feat completely outclasses Shiryu and it isn't even Zoro at his strongest or his best.
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Tbf, that was Zoro with Enma, but I see your point.

IMO, Shiryu is somewhere between no-Haki Zoro and Buso Haki Zoro, anything above that mid-diffs Shiryu if not low-diff.
 
Eminiteable said:
Would still be listed in a strength ranking, same way Exo-Mode Sanji or Gear 5th Luffy would be included in a strength ranking.
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True enough, I was just talking about that one comparison.

As I said above, Buso Zoro alone beats Shiryu more times than not.
 
I don't like how people misunderstand Enma.

Enma doesn't make Zoro stronger. It just forces him to use 100% of his Haki whenever he uses it.

If Zoro did a 100% power attack with Shusui and a 100% power attack with Enma, odds are that the attack with Shusui would be stronger due to it actually being an AP buff.
 
Kachon123 said:
I don't like how people misunderstand Enma.

Enma doesn't make Zoro stronger. It just forces him to use 100% of his Haki whenever he uses it.

If Zoro did a 100% power attack with Shusui and a 100% power attack with Enma, odds are that the attack with Shusui would be stronger due to it actually being an AP buff.
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To be fair, Kaidou implies that the reason Zoro was able to cut him in that instance is because he was using Oden's sword. It seems like an odd thing to focus on in the scene if Zoro could accomplish the same result with any sword.
 
Damage3245 said:
To be fair, Kaidou implies that the reason Zoro was able to cut him in that instance is because he was using Oden's sword. It seems like an odd thing to focus on in the scene if Zoro could accomplish the same result with any sword.
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Enma is like training wheels that allowed Zoro to learn how to tap into his Haki better.

Kaidou kept commenting on Enma because the Haki was getting drown out from Zoro into the sword. Not because it actually had Oden's aura or anything.
 
Kachon123 said:
I don't like how people misunderstand Enma.

Enma doesn't make Zoro stronger. It just forces him to use 100% of his Haki whenever he uses it.

If Zoro did a 100% power attack with Shusui and a 100% power attack with Enma, odds are that the attack with Shusui would be stronger due to it actually being an AP buff.
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Kachon123 said:
Enma is like training wheels that allowed Zoro to learn how to tap into his Haki better.
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The point is the amount it forcibly draws out is at a rate that would kill him. Keeping in mind a standard character using their haki at 100% proficiency doesn't do that, even specific forms that draw out vasts amounts of haki like Gear 4th only ever stopped luffy from using his haki for a while without it killing him.

Ultimately the end goal is Zoro growing stronger to the point where the level it drains doesn't effect him anymore like Oden, but I don't think current Zoro could unleash his haki on his own at that same level without Enma.
 
Eminiteable said:
Ultimately the end goal is Zoro growing stronger to the point where the level it drains doesn't effect him anymore like Oden, but I don't think current Zoro could unleash his haki on his own at that same level without Enma.
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He definitely could. Enma just forces it out of him.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:


Pretty accurate I think
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I can see Rayleigh and the others that are above Sabo there having evidence for it but why is this bum Shiryu there?
His best feat is sneak attacking Old Garp and then getting slammed.
His second best is being compared to the clown who has chronic diarrhea and went mid to high diff with pre ts G3 Luffy.
Don't even need a whole lot to prove almost everyone on the list is above him (for now).
 
Yeah Shiryu is definitely going to be a tool for Zoro to get Future Sight.
Once that happens he'll be ready to fight Mihawk, but FS is literally necessary to fight someone with Observation as strong as Mihawk's.
 
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