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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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TENFOLD, huh? Who's that referring to?
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Figures. I always viewed G2 as a tenfold multiplier. Can't remember who told me it, but there were good arguments made for it being between 7 to 10 times.
I asked it to be translated
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I use 5x as a minimum... But 10x makes sense
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Makes sense based on the Doriki system anyway. Between Blueno and Lucci's base is an a x5 difference, and Luffy beating on Blueno in base then moving to a guy x5 stronger, overwhelming said guy with G2 and even keeping pace if not occasionally outperforming Zoan Lucci who's stronger than base Lucci-
x5 goes hand in hand with G2 Luffy fighting a guy x5 stronger than Blueno, but 10x makes sense based on the fact that Lucci's 4K is only a measure of his base.
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No... I use 5x because being 2x or 3x faster than someone doesn't make you fte to someone so 5x as minimum makes sense 
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Nice, so Gear 2 may possibly be a 10x multiplier for both AP and Speed.
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Oh.. Ye it also says power
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Nothing... Just a higher
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Well there we have it : D
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I'll reserve judgement for now, but I'm anticipating that there might be scaling headaches as a result of this.
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I was about to say..
This definitely doesn't effect the God Tiers (at least not until after the onigashima revisions since Luffy begins scaling there), but the currently ongoing non-god tier revisions are going to be a pain. They have been for a while- I feel for you guys.
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How..... Canon? Or Official? Is the French yellow databook?
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Oh, wait, it's not an official databook from Oda?
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Yes it is... But it's the French version of Databook yellow
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French to english translation. "Décuplée" means "ten times" in the french translation as well. So the term "tenfold/Ten times" stays consistent across both translations.
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Then why did you ask if it was official?
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I don't know
... Maybe you guys only want Japanese version or something
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Base to G2's ratings alone would change from "higher" to Mountain Level because of the 27>270 megatons amp from x10
Yeaaah.. The non-god tiers are a lil' hassle when it comes to rating their things, but at least we have a number/multiplier to go off of and scale those who fight him/scale to him to it.
Yeaaah.. The non-god tiers are a lil' hassle when it comes to rating their things, but at least we have a number/multiplier to go off of and scale those who fight him/scale to him to it.
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I'm neither for or against the multiplier, but if this is accepted, then for Pre Timeskip we either upgrade the High 7-C+'s to Low 7-B or we remove them altogether, and Thriller Bark/Sabaody G3rd and Asura become 7-B. And this isn't accounting for speed changes.
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It's One Piece, there's always scaling headaches.
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We don't accept SSJ2 and 3 multipliers cause they were never stated in verse, only in extra content (daizensho or something like that), add the fact that's not consistent at all and yeah we are not using it.
Sure, last time i checked DBZ and their multipliers was a few months ago, but i doubt it changed.
Sure, last time i checked DBZ and their multipliers was a few months ago, but i doubt it changed.
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You do know that neither the SSj1 was stated in the verse to be exactly 50x and that we only do it by comparing it with the Kaioken?
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Which is still better than nothing, as Mitch said off-site to me, that multiplier is consistent with the gap in doriki from Blueno to Lucci and the hypothetical times 2 of a Zoan (in this case Lucci's), the problem is that unlike Kaioken these two aren't accepted so we wouldn't be able to pull a SSJ multiplier and "calc" it in verse and then apply an extra source for confirmation, same way SSJ2 and 3 aren't accepted.
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DBZ's multipliers aren't consistent with their feats in the first place. A character gets a x2 multiplier off their last form and jump from star level to solar system.
One Piece's multipliers in this case don't make Luffy jump from city level to island level while everyone else stays far below. It's fairly consistent with the 5x difference between Blueno<Lucci<hybrid Lucci=Luffy. It's far safer to use than ignore it altogether. We take other claims from other databooks as literal (Madara's light fang, Ichigo being "like lightning" in Shikai, the current Goken justifications, etc..) so there's no reason to brush this one off when it doesn't throw off the scale.
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Databook yellow was directly stated in an SBS to be canon and Oda says he uses his databooks for content he forgets to put in the story.
I personally don't like the multiplier. Makes little sense when Base Luffy doesn't immediately die when he fights ppl who are on the level of his G2nd
I personally don't like the multiplier. Makes little sense when Base Luffy doesn't immediately die when he fights ppl who are on the level of his G2nd
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?? I didn't understand...
Isn't that just his rubber that protects him or his haki?
Can you give an example?
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Katakuri, Doffy, both are casually > G2, yet base Luffy somehow survives their attacks even with such a gap, in Kata's case he took a ridiculous amount of damage that simply makes no sense if Kata is casually 10x Luffy. Hody taking pretty much the same amount of damage from Base and G2 is also kinda inconsistent.?? I didn't understand...
Isn't that just his rubber that protects him or his haki?
Can you give an example?
As a side note, G4 would become a 40x and KKG a 160x...
We only use the 50x which is actually consistent in it's first appearance, the others not being consistent doesn't matter that much ig.
Okay? That's good but that's not a reason to use the multiplier.
Did you read my post right above yours? Np if you didn't but c'mon, the 5x isn't accepted, nor is the gap from hybrid to base.
Multipliers are treated entirely different from other statements, rn i can't remember any multiplier that comes entirely from a databook that we accept, like SSJ2 may not be consistent but afaik SSJ3 is and we still don't use it.
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No way you are going to disagree because you personally don’t like it…
there are also a lot that can factor in why luffy can tank those like haki, always getting stronger, rubber, endurance and more
there are also a lot that can factor in why luffy can tank those like haki, always getting stronger, rubber, endurance and more
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A problem I can see is with gear 4th but
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Maybe they weren't trying hard enough
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When did i say i don't like it? I am like that with all multipliers in and out of OP.
Kata was using haki in most of his attacks iirc so Rubber wouldn't matter, while Luffy doesn't have his buso always up when clashing with Kata iirc, always getting stronger makes no sense here cause i am not talking about any Post-Kata Luffy, i am talking about the one who fought him. Neither of those null Hody and anyone else who has feats against both base and G2.
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Haki has resistance to resistance negation...
Luffy's Haki, Devil Fruit and himself gets stronger continuously especially when fighting
Show me...
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Absolutely destroys hody in gear 2nd
Does little damage in base
Absolutely destroys hody with Armament Haki
And that stays consistent up to when Luffy finishes hody with gear 3rd
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There was such a constant argument during previous vs debates about how the likes of Luffy and Zoro can soak up damage that far outclasses their durability in base. Why ignore it now? Luffy's opponents were never strong enough to flat out one shot him pre ts anyway, because if the gap between himself and Lucci was x10, Lucci still had to bypass his rubberiness, which he failed.
