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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

That's either an outlier, since Base Kaku with no Rokushiki and Base Zoro were even
I was referring to 2-sword Buso Zoro, while Base Kaku with no Rokushiki fought Base 3-sword no-Haki Zoro.
Zoro was out here matching him with one-sword still. There's also no way of definitively saying if Kaku used rokushiki or not since we never see the before or after of this tiny panel; so instead of instantly labeling the actual clear cut feat as an outlier it would be better to judge if Kaku was truly even with Zoro or not.
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He doesn't scale at all.
Each time, he got blitzed.
Save for Luffy trying to bite him, but tbf he was huge and was a few feet away from Lucci waiting for him to get closer, I'd be shocked if he didn't notice Luffy in time tbh.
And he couldn't even land a single hit on Luffy either.
Luffy used buso on their first clash.
And then Luffy was laughing his ass off every second after. Gear 5 is empowered with laughter, and Luffy no longer needed Buso anymore eventually. So technically...... Roof G5 w/haki~>Lucci<< Post laughing his ass off G5 by the end of their fight
 
Luffy used buso on their first clash.
And then Luffy was laughing his ass off every second after. Gear 5 is empowered with laughter, and Luffy no longer needed Buso anymore eventually. So technically...... Roof G5 w/haki~>Lucci<< Post laughing his ass off G5 by the end of their fight
He didn't need Buso in the first place, again the clash was generally an outlier.
If he could match Buso G5 he could match base, but slightly amped/empowered, G5.
Yet that wasn't the case.
Outside of the clash, he couldn't keep up with him or take his attacks well.
 
He didn't need Buso in the first place, again the clash was generally an outlier.
did you not see him use it when they collided fists?
If he could match Buso G5 he could match base, but slightly amped/empowered, G5.
It's not slightly- it says "The more he laughs, the stronger he becomes", and Luffy was straight up cackling throughout. It's not like we haven't seen him progress from base to surpassing G2 in moments before. Going from needing Buso to not because of Nika empowerment isn't odd
 
did you not see him use it when they collided fists?

It's not slightly- it says "The more he laughs, the stronger he becomes", and Luffy was straight up cackling throughout. It's not like we haven't seen him progress from base to surpassing G2 in moments before. Going from needing Buso to not because of Nika empowerment isn't odd
Unknown amp.
 
So- no point in saying it's a "little" or a lot. It was just enough to go from clashing w/buso needed to no buso needed to body Lucci after
Yeah I still really doubt this.
Before and after it, Lucci couldn't keep up with him at all.
And all of a sudden he just happens to have the AP and speed needed to keep up with Luffy for one clash?
Yeah right.

Sanji over Kizaru and under Kidd.
Lmao
 
Btw, are we still considering Zoro one-shotting Killer as valid?

As in, does he actually scale to Killer?

@Eminiteable?
Idk why Zoro one-shotting Killer wouldn't be valid.

Whether or not you believe Zoro and Killer in that fight are as strong as they were on the rooftop is up to internation I guess.
 
Idk why Zoro one-shotting Killer wouldn't be valid.

Whether or not you believe Zoro and Killer in that fight are as strong as they were on the rooftop is up to internation I guess.
Idk why Sanji is tier 7 during that act and tier 6 later, if everyone else is the same pre and during the raid. I think they should all be fairly weaker than they were during the raid, albeit not drastically.
 
Whether or not you believe Zoro and Killer in that fight are as strong as they were on the rooftop is up to internation I guess.
That's what I was asking.

Do you think Killer was as strong then as on the roof (minus the loss of his Punishers)?

I personally think he was, and that Zoro on the roof was as strong as he was at the start of Wano (minus Enma).
 
That's what I was asking.

Do you think Killer was as strong then as on the roof (minus the loss of his Punishers)?

I personally think he was, and that Zoro on the roof was as strong as he was at the start of Wano (minus Enma).
I don't believe that Zoro was exactly as strong as he was on the rooftop, but Sanji and Luffy were thousands of times weaker.
 
Enel wankers make my blood boil.
I always become a Lucci fan when someone says Enel beats CP9

Kuri too high
Ace too low
Kizaru low
Aokiji low
Kizaru low
Smoothie high
Yama-too low
Cracker high
Fujitora low
Shadow Guy(I assume Greenbull) low
Vista low
Enel high
Robin Low
Garp Low
Mihawk LOOOOOW
Sen-low-ku
Crocodile low
Jinbe low
Scabbards all low
Kuma low
Ivankov low
Lucci low
Z low
Urouge low
Weevil low
Tobiropp-low
Killer low
Burgess low
Hancock low
Koby low
Chopper low
Smoker low
Bege low
Hina low
Hawkins low
Oven low
Daifuku low
Brook low
Nami low
Karasu low
Boss Hyou low
Sentomaru low
Franky low
Idk who those black and white guys are, but low
Kaku low
Izou low
Daz Lownes
 
I always become a Lucci fan when someone says Enel beats CP9

Kuri too high
Ace too low
Kizaru low
Aokiji low
Kizaru low
Smoothie high
Yama-too low
Cracker high
Fujitora low
Shadow Guy(I assume Greenbull) low
Vista low
Enel high
Robin Low
Garp Low
Mihawk LOOOOOW
Sen-low-ku
Crocodile low
Jinbe low
Scabbards all low
Kuma low
Ivankov low
Lucci low
Z low
Urouge low
Weevil low
Tobiropp-low
Killer low
Burgess low
Hancock low
Koby low
Chopper low
Smoker low
Bege low
Hina low
Hawkins low
Oven low
Daifuku low
Brook low
Nami low
Karasu low
Boss Hyou low
Sentomaru low
Franky low
Idk who those black and white guys are, but low
Kaku low
Izou low
Daz Lownes
Nah Lucci under Ivankov and mfing Doflamingo is a level of pure animosity and slander I can only dream of reaching.
 
That's what I was asking.

Do you think Killer was as strong then as on the roof (minus the loss of his Punishers)?

I personally think he was, and that Zoro on the roof was as strong as he was at the start of Wano (minus Enma).
Sanji went from weaker than page one in the raid Suit to matching base king so I think it's intended that everyone got stronger than they were when they reached onigashima.
 
Btw, I think the 1 petaton feat may be lower since KT may be redoing the calc but with like 2/3 the original radius.
 
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