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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Godernet said:
Base Goku could tag someone hundreds of times stronger than him that was skipping fractions of seconds into the future after watching him briefly fight Vegeta one time with just intuition, no precog.

And if we're talking current versions but stats equal Goku has Ultra Instinct where his body auto-dodges attacks without him having to think. So a better question would be could Luffy even tag Goku?
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So about the Ultra Instinct.
Luffy has still managed to tag Observation Haki specialists such as Fujitora and Katakuri ( the latter can see the future, and while I have no doubt the former can also do that we don't have definitive proof so.. ) and he's hit Kaidou several times at once ( with "Gomu Gomu no Hydra" ) while the latter has damn good reactions most of the time.
I may be wanking him though.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
So about the Ultra Instinct.
Luffy has still managed to tag Observation Haki specialists such as Fujitora and Katakuri ( the latter can see the future, and while I have no doubt the former can also do that we don't have definitive proof so.. ) and he's hit Kaidou several times at once ( with "Gomu Gomu no Hydra" ) while the latter has damn good reactions most of the time.
I may be wanking him though.
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I see where you're coming from.

Let me correct something real quick tho.

Luffy does fight great Obv Haki users but precog is a bit different from instinctive action.

Great Obv Haki is still dependent on the User being calm and keeping their senses sharp. That's why Luffy can take advantage of that sometimes by overwhelming their senses with Gatling, Black Mamba, Hydra, etc. or a situation like Katakuri and his donuts.

And for Ultra Instinct, it's not exactly reactions, Goku's body just dodges. no reaction time to be applicable since it just happens, no conscious thoughts applied he just moves.

If Luffy did a Gatling on Goku he wouldn't need time to think about how to dodge it, his body would just automatically do it.

Even Luffy did his own version of Ultra Instinct(kinda) before he knew Obv Haki in Skypeia vs Enel's Mantra and Enel couldn't hit him.
 
TheMonkeMan said:
So about the Ultra Instinct.
Luffy has still managed to tag Observation Haki specialists such as Fujitora and Katakuri ( the latter can see the future, and while I have no doubt the former can also do that we don't have definitive proof so.. ) and he's hit Kaidou several times at once ( with "Gomu Gomu no Hydra" ) while the latter has damn good reactions most of the time.
I may be wanking him though.
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Ultra Instinct also works on people many times faster than the user.

But even Adv Obv Haki has been blitzed by Kaido before.
 
Godernet said:
that was stats not equal in which case yes Goku would easily defeat Luffy past early Z
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I'm using this
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Son Goku (DBS Manga)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...
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Gear 5 luffy
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
I'm using this
vsbattles.fandom.com

Son Goku (DBS Manga)

Son Goku (孫そん悟ご空くう, Son Gokū?) is the main protagonist of the Dragon Ball metaseries. He is a Saiyan sent to Earth as a baby by his father Bardock to escape the destruction of the planet Vegeta and the Saiyan race. Adopted by Grandpa Gohan, he became a kind-hearted boy after he bumped his head...
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Gear 5 luffy
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stats equal right?
 
SnookB said:
yeah but deku>>>>>
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Hey can someone link me the CRT for Shiki Multi Continental calc getting accepted and being used to upscale many of the OP Cast to High 6-A?
 
Kachon123 said:
We wouldn't get anywhere without them. What good are scaling discussions when the calcs used for the values are flawed?
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And I know that, truly I do, but that doesn't make them less tiresome.

Even the ones I like, like the very High 6-A we used for current scaling.
 
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