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Asura Zoro dealt more damage to Kaido than Yamato did, and Zoro did that while most of his boned were broken.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Don't forget Punk Hazard. Pretty sure Vergo was ranked higher/ stronger than Monet or Ceaser in Doffy's organization.
Weren't there statements in databook yellow that Zoro=Luffy?Because it's stated by oda
Plus makes sense
Edit: IIRC Nami said in Thriller Bark that Zoro's the toughest
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However, if Yamato is indeed joining, that mean the pattern is going to change, right? Luffy vs the strongest man, Zoro vs the 1st in command/strongest, Yamato vs the 2nd in command/strongest, and Sanji vs the 3rd in command/strongest
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Right? Yamato's best feat in hybrid was drawing a drop of blood from his forehead. Asura Zoro slashed his chest open (after parrying his swing) and Enma Mode/CoC infusion are likely even stronger than the Roof's Asura Zoro.
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Stated In strength yes tho I think it was before enies lobby when it said that
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So the "yonko" dynamic works for the straw hats TECHNICALLY.
Leader vs Leader
3 strongest vs 3 strongest
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Emin confirmed female??!!! Jk
wait... The age
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Emin confirmed female??!!! Jk
wait... The age
Nevermind, just wrong
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Keep in mind this is also Zoro after taking the Hakai, so a full health Zoro could have likely done much more damage than he did in his injured state.
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Sanji isn't dumb enough to just run into a Zoro attack. Even if Zoro reacts to his FTE and tried to counter, what's stopping Sanji from countering that counter?
Sanji can also like... turn Ifrit back on? Once Zoro tries to block the plasma-lightining from Ifrit, he would just get shocked, which would allow Sanji to combo him, the way he did to Queen.
Sanji can easily couner Zoro's attacks, or just dodge them, wasting Zoro's short timer.
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That goes both ways. Zoro's got bigger attacks than what Sanji can counter, compared to Queen, or Sanji's usual opponents in general. Sanji isn't "countering" a tatsumaki, or an AOE slash, he's just getting caught in them. Sanji has good CoC and might avoid the Iai techniques' speed amp, but in a fight where he can only dodge so much and Zoro can deal so much damage to him if he hits, he won't last.
No indication that the lightning even shocks, otherwise we would've seen it zap Queen. It just explodes on impact.
And if Zoro turns Ifrit off then Sanji's leg goes off with it. Ain't no way he's tanking a Haki slash from Zoro the same way he did Queen. Let alone a COC infusion slash or an Enma carried slash that made Linlin tell KAIDO to dodge. And that made King, who's durability is a topic of its own, resort to blocking the strikes even in his apparent "invulnerable" mode that tanks hits that Kaido's scales can't. If you wanna stretch it to "Sanji's tougher than Kaido" then even then he's getting deeply wounded. If the fight costs him a foot or a leg he's done for.
Zoro's time was twice as short if you consider the fact that the medicine running out would've made it far worse in the first place. Zoro during that same chapter had a shoulder burst with blood TWICE because of the medicine wearing off and was basically getting twice as pressed/tired from his Yonko battle injuries. (Four times if you account for the fact that the meds running out DOUBLES the suffering in the first place)
Sanji isn't outlasting Zoro naturally. Zoro's a lethal fighter and would have Sanji's legs in a bin. As much as I love both, Sanji isn't designed to fight sword wielders on the level of Zoro.
Literally what is he going to do, block a SWORD with his legs? Tank tatsumaki and NOT get cuts upon cuts from it? Zoro can tank his hits, he can't tank Zoro's.
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Who says he needs to draw from Enma? By the end of the fight he was matching Buso + Lunarian flame King with just regular buso. That's enough to deal with Sanji.
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I don't even like debating Zoro vs Sanji because I love both characters. Sanji a bit more because that backstory, man- But Sanji is not a character to put against sword users. Especially sword users as strong, skilled and range covering like Zoro. It's just a bad match-upLook at who you are debating first
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Thats why whenever this kind of debate happening, i just leave
Just like i said:
Just like i said:
The true path of Giga-Chadisnm
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He did say that he needed to end the fight fast because enma was constantly bringing out his haki , and that he needed to go all out with his haki constantly to subdue the sword.
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He needed to end it faster because of the mink medicine running out, too. By the time he even figured out COC Coating Zoro's body was tearing apart (shown two different times during the king battle, in the same chapter)
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Are you saying that Sanji can't just dodge Tatsumaki? He can easily see it coming with CoO, and dodge it with his superior mobility. Sanji and Zoro's attack speeds were equal with Diable Jambe and Zoro blitz attacks such as Onigiri, so with his super speed upgrade and ifrit speed amp, Sanji has the edge in speed.
What's saying Sanji will even give Zoro the chance to hit him? Sanji knows Zoro's lethality. He can sense the potency of his haki with his own CoO. He's not going to rush in and get attacked.
Zoro himself said that the swords were going to kill him. Saying that the medicine cut that time in half is baseless and it's headcanon. Stick to the manga please.
Zoro's timer is very short. Once he unleashed Enma Mode, he had like 5 minutes at most, and that's stretching it. Sanji can go on for a lot longer than that. Sanji already has way better mobility than Zoro, so nothing is stopping him from just staying in the air, or just avoiding Zoro's attacks.
What he's going to do is wait until Zoro is on the brink of collapsing from using Enma Mode, then go close, countering any close attack attempts with Ifrit.
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I'm an Always right enjoyer
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Means I like Sanji a bit more because of his backstory. He's got a bit more character imo.??
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Understatement
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??Basically I meant how and why? I can understand by saying via the whole cake island arc but because of the backstory?
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From what I’ve seen he never once complained about the Mink medicine running out during his fight with king, but couldn’t stop complaining about enma and how he needed to end it quickly before it killed him.
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With how fast it is and the range it covers? No. Zoro and Sanji's attack speeds aren't shown to be equal whatsoever. Germa suit Sanji (which is arguably faster than DJ pre-awakening) was getting pressed by King.
Zoro blitzed King with Shishi Sonson.
They both know each other. Neither are going to be aiming to get hit. Unless you're saying Zoro fights dumb.
The sword was going to kill him, but the medicine was ACTIVELY DRAWING BLOOD AND OPENING WOUNDS THAT HAD HIM STAGGERING mid-fight. I am sticking to the manga, just the whole thing instead of ignoring the obvious circumstances.
And he gets spammed with Buso slashes. You're basically saying "Zoro NEEDS ACOC to hurt Sanji and won't turn it off if Sanji just vibes in the air". The dude's got a brain in his head. He won't stand there yelling at Sanji to get down while ENma's eating his soul. Lmao.
Zoro. Doesn't. Need. Enma. Mode. And he can choose when it's on/off. What in the backwards hell kinda logic is "if he turns it on it stays on until he's out of energy"???
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He was talking about it even before ACOC kicked in. Zoro was saying he needed to end it fast a whole chapter prior before unlockin ACoC/King of Hell
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To sidetrack from the Sanji v Zoro debate, can we take a moment to appreciate how unintelligent King was during the fight?
Your Enemy gets a Dangerous AP boost
You have 3 options
1. Use your ultimate defence (flame on) that has allowed u to dominate 90% of the fight
2. Use your Hybrid Mode that has super durability super strength super speed and more that has also allowed you to dominate 90% of the fight
3. Use your Weakest Fighting style (Swordsmanship) and also turn off your ultimate defence (flame off) and also refuse to use ur hybrid mode
Guess which one King picked
Your Enemy gets a Dangerous AP boost
You have 3 options
1. Use your ultimate defence (flame on) that has allowed u to dominate 90% of the fight
2. Use your Hybrid Mode that has super durability super strength super speed and more that has also allowed you to dominate 90% of the fight
3. Use your Weakest Fighting style (Swordsmanship) and also turn off your ultimate defence (flame off) and also refuse to use ur hybrid mode
Guess which one King picked
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No. I just like Sanji's character building both during Barratie and his Whole Cake story arc/development.
Basically I meant how and why? I can understand by saying via the whole cake island arc but because of the backstory?
Zoro's cooler. Sanji's better written. Just my opinion.
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You know your enemy is on a medicine timer and can't fly after youTo sidetrack from the Sanji v Zoro debate, can we take a moment to appreciate how unintelligent King was during the fight?
Your Enemy gets a Dangerous AP boost
You have 3 options
1. Use your ultimate defence (flame on) that has allowed u to dominate 90% of the fight
2. Use your Hybrid Mode that has super durability super strength super speed and more that has also allowed you to dominate 90% of the fight
3. Use your Weakest Fighting style (Swordsmanship) and also turn off your ultimate defence (flame off) and also refuse to use ur hybrid mode
Guess which one King picked
Choose to engage instead of hanging back and letting him bleed out
King's a genius-
But I think it's the whole "I won't let Kaido be dethroned" mentality that had him go warrior-mode instead of just playing smart.
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Enma only started acting up after it heard Hiyori's music, before that during the king fight, rooftop battle and start of the raid he showed no issue controlling it. Letting Enma drain his haki isn't how he subdues it, it's just Zoro allowing it to do that as he recognizes it's testing him and the reason the drain is killing him in the first place is due to his lack of strength. Zoro can subdue the blade on it's own and just not use it's ability if needed (which he did even after this moment during 1033).
He did need to end the fight fast due to the drain, but you can see that was only when he started activating it to separate King from him; he needed the boost from it to deal with King so the longer he used it against King would bring harm to him.
Your image doesn't shown, but for the sake of showing you what I mean here you go, Buso Zoro matching Buso + Lunarian Flames King:No he wasn't. How is this matching?
And here he's overwhelming Buso King who earlier in the fight completely overpowered Zoro:
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Yall might as well make a separate thread to talk about Zoro cause everytime I open a One Piece thread all I see is Zoro
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No shit...
Actually no one talks about sabo
Nevermind,
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True, I would’ve expected queen to do something like that. King seemed so stoic and rational that I never believed he would go “ME STRONGER” mode at the end.
He constantly turned off his flames even though Zoro never hurt significantly while he was using it. Unlike zoro he wasn’t on a timer so using speed mode was worthless. did he know about the mink medicine? I don’t recall…
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He didn't know the drawbacks only that the minks were responsible for healing him.
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Yeah, he saw them healing him and urged to take out Zoro before Marco got in the way.
