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The portrayal that Jack gave the injured Scabbards in comparison to the Tobiroppo seems to line up with the relative ease that Robin and Franky beat their opponents respectively.
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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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Kaido/Luffy - 100
Big Mom - 95
Yamato - 85
Law - 80
Kidd - 80
Zoro - 75
Sanji - 74
King - 73
Queen - 72
Killer - 60
Jinbei - 65
Jack - 60
Tobbiroppo/Scabbards/Xdrake/Apoo/Franky/Robin/Chopper - 40/50
Nami - 35
Ussop - 35
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Okay, that makes sense.
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All full power
Luffy - 101
Kaido - 100
Big mom - 93
Zoro - 92
Law - 88
Kidd - 87
Yamato - 86
King - 83
Sanji - 82
Jinbei - 80
Queen - 75
Killer - 63
Apoo/Xdrake - 58
Scabbards/Jack - 55
Perospero - 53
Robin/Nami - 50
Toppi roppo - 48
Something like that from what I've seen
Luffy - 101
Kaido - 100
Big mom - 93
Zoro - 92
Law - 88
Kidd - 87
Yamato - 86
King - 83
Sanji - 82
Jinbei - 80
Queen - 75
Killer - 63
Apoo/Xdrake - 58
Scabbards/Jack - 55
Perospero - 53
Robin/Nami - 50
Toppi roppo - 48
Something like that from what I've seen
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is this just vibes or?
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and Jinbe surviving akainu off guarded, temporarily blocking akainu's attack and heat, blocking big mom's cognac and surviving big mom's attack, knocking away big mom
Also statments that supports that even more
Jinbe with full power and his haki has enough evidence to be above Queen
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What do you think about the statement that X Drake' statement that himself and WW together could beat Queen means WW could at least take a hit from the guy, and thus Jinbe basically oneshotting him means he's above whatever X Drake has seen from Queen?
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Never seen the statement
but idk maybe?
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Sorry, not statement, I meant belief.Never seen the statement
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Kaido (Final form) - 100
Big Mom (Amped) - 98
Yamato - 78
King - 72
Queen - 67
Jack - 60
Kanjuro - 55
Tobiroppo/Drake/Cp0 randoms - 49
Perospero/Hawkins/Apoo - 48
Luffy (Full power) - 100
Law - 80
Kidd - 78
Zoro - 75
Sanji - 73
Marco - 71
Killer - 65
Scabbards - 55 to 60
Jinbe - 58
Nami (Zeus) - 55
Franky/Robin/Brook/Chopper (MP) - 50
I'm not being entirely accurate, but I imagine it must have been somewhat consistent with what I remember of the events of the arc.
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Oda foreshadowing hint?
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Goda foreskinningOda foreshadowing hint?
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Admiral Level Dressrosa Luffy, Zoro and Sanji
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Consistent with Film Z
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Luffy - 100
Kaido - 100
Big Mom - 96
Law/Kidd/Yamato - 59
Zoro - 51
Sanji - 48
King - 46
Killer - 41
Queen - 40
Sulong Neko/Inu - 36
Jinbe - 33
Jack - 32
Ashura/Denjiro/Izo - 30
Kawamatsu/Kinemon - 28
Raizo/Kiku - 26
Perospero - 25
Who's Who/Franky/Robin - 24
Hawkins - 27
Ulti/Drake/Apoo - 23
Black Maria/Sasaki/Page One/Nami - 21
Usopp - 5
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Brother this feat isn't impressive when you consider how weakened big mom was in this instanceAbsolutely diabolical btw
Jinbe easily one shotting him
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"whatever xdrake has seen from queen" which is probably not much if anything at all
and xdrake going along with the plan is probably under the context of assassination or offguarding base queen
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Please note that the comparison is between Jinbe and Perospero, and Perospero is reacting in the image.
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The same X Drake got put down in a single hit by base Queen. This is atrocious scaling.
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"put down" ain't mean much when he was in base form and then got up 5 seconds later. Queen hit him with a sword the size of his body and all that happened was his face got cut, then he stayed prone and didn't try to fight in a room with Queen, WW, and Hawkins next to him. I don't deny that he's far weaker, he's not like Oden or something, but I think we would both agree that Queen's superiority, though, again, significant, is very clearly not to a degree where X Drake's full power is like oneshot levels below Queen's Base Form swinging a sword at him.
That said, I don't agree with the take too much anymore, it was from a year or so ago. I gotta maintain the agenda somehow though.
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You'll never guess who was also in their base form
Besides, Drake said that it was over for him meaning Zoan Transformations would not have changed a thing.
Maybe because he... only got hit in the face. Queen's sword had a pretty clear face-sized blood stain on its side.
Who's Who wanted X Drake dead so decided to bring him to Queen. That clearly says something. Who's Who and Hawkins were the equivalent to Black Maria's goons in that scenario. They're fairly threatening sure but nowhere near the real threat.
There's nothing that suggests to me that X Drake's "full power" (whatever that means) is anything different what we've seen already, and from what we've seen Apoo dealt with Base and Hybrid X Drake in the same exact way. The same would apply here.
Also, he is very clearly on the level where his Base Form should be a oneshot tier above X Drake. He's distinguished himself among the Beast Pirates as an All Star and retained the rank for several decades. A time period where likely tens of different Tobiroppo came and went with not a single one being able to get anywhere near his level of prestige. Hell, Kaidou spent 6 years trying to recruit the guy, seemingly directly into All Star position like he did with King while X Drake had to claw his way up over the course of a year from Headliner to Tobiroppo.
The Scabbards while mortally injured are still leaps and bounds above the Tobiroppo. Despite this, the Scabbards' strongest fighter (Denjiro) got lowdiffed by Base Queen from 20 years ago in 2v1.
Apoo, the guy who could handle X Drake is scared for his life against Base Queen. The live floor did not know how to get the antidote from Queen because of his strength, but the literal moment it was given to Apoo (X Drake's superior) everyone went guns blazing to beat him.
It's not close at all.
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I am aware?You'll never guess who was also in their base form
He said he couldn't talk his way out of it, not that he couldn't fight. Could he win? Not by a long shot, chances for him were below a tenth of a single percent point without even accounting for WW and Hawkins. But he wasn't down for the count.
Yeah. I am aware that being hit in the face hits your face. It didn't mess him up that bad though.
Yeah, WW couldn't beat Drake without grievous injury, so he jumped him with a guy stronger than either of them.
Drake was shown as being on par with Zoro there, though Zoro kinda holds back a lot due to being a Monster Trio member.
Yeah, but that was 20 years ago, so they're both at different levels of strength than they were, and Kanjuro's a bitch, AND we didn't see the full fight, so we don't know what forms were used or if anyone helped Queen, AND we don't see Queen after, except an exaggerated silhouette at the burning castle in a later flashback in an earlier chapter, and even that doesn't show his full body.
Never said it was close, just that it wasn't a onetap. Though I suppose we're getting into semantics here, and would probably have to "agree to disagree"... or we could start kicking each other's asses like two wasted PTA moms.
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He quite literally said "this is it then." What was he referring to? Obviously his career lmao. The moment Queen got distracted, X Drake ran away using his Hybrid Form. If he thought that using it would change anything he would have used it to fight.
He is shaking in Child's Pose while blood is streaming down his face. If not Queen decapitating Drake Kaidou-Orochi style, I'm not sure what else you expect.
Who's Who did not touch X Drake.
Denjiro was relative to Kin'emon got sent to the future. This doesn't change anything at all.
Nobody helped Queen. It was just King and Queen fought and defeated the Scabbards. Considering they referred to Base Queen as "very dangerous," and were already on the back leg, him using any transformation would not make sense at all. It was canonically an easy fight for the two of them.
X Drake has no scaling that makes it not a onetap. You're yet to bring a single feat of his to the table that prove otherwise (there are none).
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Presumably "I'm ******, I'm gonna have to fight this guy and he's gonna kill me," considering the thing he said next is "I won't tell you anything unless you kill me," which I think was a bit dumb, since dead people can't talk.
A scar, a missing limb, blood coughing, X Drake saying "oh, ****, shit, ****, that really hurt," him struggling to stand for a longer period of time, white eyes, temporary unconsciousness, etc. would be really cool, but I understand why they didn't do that.
Huh... that's right. I distinctly remembered a scene where he, in Hybrid form, jumps off a nearby wall and shoots his Rokushiki bites at X Drake, hitting his arm, and Queen starts laughing his ass off. I must have cool-ass dreams. Frankly, the fact that I remembered it in vivid color should've been a sign.
Oh, wait, did I forget a statement or scene?
I suppose I see more validity in the Apoo/Casual Zoro scaling than you might, which is a reasonable disagreement, because again, it's a Monster Trio member, they're just kinda like that because they know that in terms of power they're... monsters.
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I think he’s a yonko fan
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Yes, he was going to die. That's the point being made.
A scar is ridiculous and only reserved for fated enemies as stated. Blood coughing and exclaiming that it hurts is redundant considering he was already laid out and bleeding. X Drake is an Ancient Zoan with decent recovery.
I also distinctly remember the manga being the primary canon
They were there during the lighting of Oden's castle and they were seemingly perfectly fine, leading Kaidou's army. Unlike the Scabbards who were still all very much injured.
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I obviously don't think a dream I had 2 years ago is canon.I also distinctly remember the manga being the primary canon
I have to set my argument aside, because IS THAT MORIA?!
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yeah, and?
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Please explain.
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i think he’s referring to dark mode being the new defaultPlease explain.
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fair fair, but this isn't an accurate scene for comparison, maybe if we were talking abt wci perospero but wano gave him better gains.
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Yeah, but Jinbe should also be stronger.
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reminder that that bum X-Drake is an ancient zoan and was still recovering like a month later in series time.
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But according to Greenbull defenders, 1 week was enough for an ancient zoan to recover
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Drake is just a loserBut according to Greenbull defenders, 1 week was enough for an ancient zoan to recover
