One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[DaMonkeMan]

You cannot debunk that someone who scarred Kaido was injured by nameless mobs so you're changing the subject.

Didn't Big Mom use her strongest attack against Page One so Page One>>Kaido while she never used it against Kaido? No Hera when she was fighting Kaido.

Kaido without conqueror coating cannot beat Kinemon. Kinemon was still conscious despite Kaido's using conqueror coating on him. I can play this game all day.

That shows how much stronger Sweet Commanders are compared to WHitebeard Pirates. Someone who cannot make it to Sweet Commander treated Marco like a trash. Imagine Sweet Commanders.

Zoro whooped the Gifters and got to the roof top completely fresh. Cope about it.

 

[Gozan2222]

Zoro whooped the Gifters and got to the roof top completely fresh. Cope about it.

I don't need to cope. No panels of Zoro beating those gifters solo. Zoro was injured by namelesss mobs. The same guy who scarred Kaido

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Lol Katakuri went night night from Oven and you're worrying about Gifters.
Get them past Brook then we'll talk about them fighting Zoro.

 

[Gozan2222]

Lol Katakuri went night night from Oven and you're worrying about Gifters.
Get them past Brook then we'll talk about them fighting Zoro.

Kaido was scarred of someone who struggled against gifters. I won't talk bad about Katakuri when someone who was huffing, injured by gifters made Kaido run for his life.

There's no greater shame than running for your life against someone who cannot beat gifters.

 

[Gozan2222]

Lol Katakuri went night night from Oven and you're worrying about Gifters.
Get them past Brook then we'll talk about them fighting Zoro.

Katakuri is much faster than Akainu using Jinbe as a measurement. I don't know if Zoro can blitz Akainu.. He cannot blitz Apoo and he blitzed Kaido with his fastest attack while Katakuri without his fastest attack is proven much faster than Akainu via Jinbe panels.

 

[Sus]

what a way to spend your tuesday

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He blitzed Apoo, you're just reading Three Piece.

 

[Gozan2222]

He blitzed Apoo, you're just reading Three Piece.

With Drake help yeah.. Zoro also had to use his blitz attack. Without his blitz attack, Zoro is slower than Carrot and cannot hit Apoo no matter how many times he tried.

And remember this is the same guy who made Kaido run for his life.

 

[Gozan2222]

I think Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters. @Sus @TheMonkeMan

 

[Sus]

With Drake help yeah.. Zoro also had to use his blitz attack. Without his blitz attack, Zoro is slower than Carrot and cannot hit Apoo no matter how many times he tried.

And remember this is the same guy who made Kaido run for his life.

you do realize kaido dodged zoro with 0 effort? he tanks attacks because he wants to, but when he has to dodge he does

 

[Sus]

I think Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters. @Sus @TheMonkeMan

i think you were dropped on your head as a child

 

[Gozan2222]

you do realize kaido dodged zoro with 0 effort? he tanks attacks because he wants to, but when he has to dodge he does

He dodged because he was scared of someone who cannot beat gifters without haki. What a shame

i think you were dropped on your head as a child

I think you lost this debate and can only throw a tantrum as a counter argument. No proof that Zoro can beat gifters without haki. Without haki these gifters whoop the floor of someone who made Kaido run for his life.

 

[Sus]

He dodged because he was scared of someone who cannot beat gifters without haki. What a shame

I think you lost this debate and can only throw a tantrum as a counter argument. No proof that Zoro can beat gifters without haki. Without haki these gifters whoop the floor of someone who made Kaido run for his life.

do you know what an outlier is

 

[Gozan2222]

do you know what an outlier is

An excuse for someone who loses in a debate. It's an outlier because it doesn't suit your agenda while it's not as long as it suits your agenda to downplay characters you despise.

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy only trained his armament in Udon. Got conqueror coating which boosts his attack power not his attack speed.

What are you talking about?

 

[Sus]

An excuse for someone who loses in a debate. It's an outlier because it doesn't suit your agenda while it's not as long as it suits your agenda to downplay characters you despise.

its an outlier when it doesnt make sense, gifters being on zoros level makes no sense

and its ironic how thise comes from you as youve been downplaying kaido since we started

 

[Gozan2222]

What are you talking about?

I'm talking that Luffy only trained his armament in udon. Not his speed so no speed boost. Without speed boost Snakeman Luffy blitzed kaido meaning Katakuri who kept up with Snakeman blitzed Kaido too.

 

[Gozan2222]

its an outlier when it doesnt make sense, gifters being on zoros level makes no sense

and its ironic how thise comes from you as youve been downplaying kaido since we started

No it makes sense. Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters while with haki he scarred Kaido.

Nothing is ironic. You kept using nerfed Katakuri vs Boundman to downplay him. I can also use Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters. And that Zoro made Kaido run for his life.

 

[Sus]

No it makes sense. Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters while with haki he scarred Kaido.

Nothing is ironic. You kept using nerfed Katakuri vs Boundman to downplay him. I can also use Zoro without haki cannot beat gifters. And that Zoro made Kaido run for his life.

what i said actually happened meanwhile the gifters did nothing to zoro

 

[Gozan2222]

what i said actually happened meanwhile the gifters did nothing to zoro

Zoro has huffing against giifters. Happened in the manga. Bruised by nameless mops. Happened in the manga.

So yeah without haki I cannot imagine how someone who made Kaido run for his life can beat these gifters.

 

[Gozan2222]

@Sus

Do you agree that Zoro without haki in Zou cannot beat base Carrot? I want to know how low you will sink as long as you can downplay Katakuri.

 

[Kachon123]

I'm talking that Luffy only trained his armament in udon. Not his speed so no speed boost. Without speed boost Snakeman Luffy blitzed kaido meaning Katakuri who kept up with Snakeman blitzed Kaido too.

You're wrong.

Gear 4 Pre-Udon Luffy: Gets blitzed by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it being too fast for Luffy to even use Future Sight (Chapter 923)
Base Post-Udon Luffy: Gets tagged by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it still being faster than him, but no longer a blitz, with Kaido noting such (Chapter 1001)
Gear 2 Post-Hao Coating Luffy: Dodges Shuron Hakke Hybrid Kaido's Thunder Bagua fully, jumps on Kaido's Kanabo, and kicks him in the face (Chapter 1037)

For reference, Gear 4 allows Luffy to blitz people that he was competitive with in Gear 2 with (Doflamingo). The fact that he went from getting blitzed in Gear 4 to not getting blitzed in Base to outspeeding in Gear 2 utterly dismantles your argument.


Katakuri was tagged by Pre-Udon Base Luffy. The same Pre-Udon Base Luffy who had his attacks easily caught by Base Queen. Marco was able to outspeed Queen.

Katakuri was tagged by Oven, who got blitzed by WCI Sanji without him even using any speed amps.

Katakuri got powerciffed hard, and there's nothing wrong with that. Wait for him to be reintroduced into the story before you start hyping him again. Calling him top 3 in speed is just as ridiculous as saying that Oven is top 3 in speed. It has no basis at all.

 

[Sus]

@Sus

Do you agree that Zoro without haki in Zou cannot beat base Carrot? I want to know how low you will sink as long as you can downplay Katakuri.

i don give a damn about zoro kata isnt blitzing kaido

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You're wrong.

Gear 4 Pre-Udon Luffy: Gets blitzed by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it being too fast for Luffy to even use Future Sight (Chapter 923)
Base Post-Udon Luffy: Gets tagged by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it still being faster than him, but no longer a blitz, with Kaido noting such (Chapter 1001)
Gear 2 Post-Hao Coating Luffy: Dodges Shuron Hakke Hybrid Kaido's Thunder Bagua fully, jumps on Kaido's Kanabo, and kicks him in the face (Chapter 1037)

For reference, Gear 4 allows Luffy to blitz people that he was competitive with in Gear 2 with (Doflamingo). The fact that he went from getting blitzed in Gear 4 to not getting blitzed in Base to outspeeding in Gear 2 utterly dismantles your argument.


Katakuri was tagged by Pre-Udon Base Luffy. The same Pre-Udon Base Luffy who had his attacks easily caught by Base Queen. Marco was able to outspeed Queen.

Katakuri was tagged by Oven, who got blitzed by WCI Sanji without him even using any speed amps.

Katakuri got powerciffed hard, and there's nothing wrong with that. Wait for him to be reintroduced into the story before you start hyping him again. Calling him top 3 in speed is just as ridiculous as saying that Oven is top 3 in speed. It has no basis at all.

Why are you even wasting time on him.

 

[Kachon123]

Why are you even wasting time on him.

Because I've waited a long time for someone to start wanking Katakuri on the wiki, so I was finally able to pull these out. Couldn't resist the opportunity.

 

[Gozan2222]

Katakuri was tagged by Oven, who got blitzed by WCI Sanji without him even using any speed amps.

Gear 4 Pre-Udon Luffy: Gets blitzed by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it being too fast for Luffy to even use Future Sight (Chapter 923)
Base Post-Udon Luffy: Gets tagged by Base Kaido's Thunder Bagua with it still being faster than him, but no longer a blitz, with Kaido noting such (Chapter 1001)
Gear 2 Post-Hao Coating Luffy: Dodges Shuron Hakke Hybrid Kaido's Thunder Bagua fully, jumps on Kaido's Kanabo, and kicks him in the face (Chapter 1037)

Luffy wasn't using Future Sight in act 1
Base Luffy was using Future Sight on the roof.
Kaido was in crying mode. Luffy only ate meat after he lost to Kaido in 1 on 1. Eating meat won;t make Luffy faster.

For reference, Gear 4 allows Luffy to blitz people that he was competitive with in Gear 2 with (Doflamingo). The fact that he went from getting blitzed in Gear 4 to not getting blitzed in Base to outspeeding in Gear 2 utterly dismantles your argument.

Boundman Luffy act 1 wasn't using Future SIght. Base Luffy was using Future Sight. No boost in speed. Luffy trained his armament in udon.

Katakuri was tagged by Pre-Udon Base Luffy. The same Pre-Udon Base Luffy who had his attacks easily caught by Base Queen. Marco was able to outspeed Queen.

Katakuri wasn't using Future Sight. Luffy wasn't using Future SIght against Queen. Capone also blocked Luffy's fist with Caesar's heart doesn't mean Capone is as fast as Katakuri.

Marco cannot dodge Big Mom chokehold while Katakuri is much faster than Akainu who treated Marco and Vista like dirts.
Put Marco and Vista together they still cannot hit Katakuri.

Katakuri was tagged by Oven, who got blitzed by WCI Sanji without him even using any speed amps.

Zoro who blitzed Kaido was tagged by nameless mops.
Bruises on Zoro's face here proves it. Oven snuck on Katakuri though.

Katakuri already kept up with Snakeman that is much faster than Sanji who blitzed Oven.

Sanji also got tagged by Henry Queen a replica of Henry Blazer meaning Niji blitzes current Sanji. Katakuri is still the fastest in the series along with Snakeman and Kizaru.

Katakuri got powerciffed hard, and there's nothing wrong with that. Wait for him to be reintroduced into the story before you start hyping him again. Calling him top 3 in speed is just as ridiculous as saying that Oven is top 3 in speed. It has no basis at all.

Not really he is much faster than AKainu. Are you saying Akainu also got powercliffed hard?

i don give a damn about zoro kata isnt blitzing kaido

Yes he is. I already showed how Katakuri is much faster than Future Sight Kaido. You cannot debunk this.

Because I've waited a long time for someone to start wanking Katakuri on the wiki, so I was finally able to pull these out. Couldn't resist the opportunity.

And you got bodied the moment Katakuri shows how much faster he is than Akainu. If there are may people can blitz Katakuri that means Akainu is a snail compared to them.

 

[Kachon123]

Luffy wasn't using Future Sight in act 1

with it being too fast for Luffy to even use Future Sight

Not really he is much faster than AKainu. Are you saying Akainu also got powercliffed hard?

Kaido was in crying mode. Luffy only ate meat after he lost to Kaido in 1 on 1. Eating meat won;t make Luffy faster.

Overcoming death will though.

Katakuri wasn't using Future Sight

Proof?

 

[Gozan2222]

Doesn't disprove my arguments. After dodging Thunder bagua on the roof, Luffy said even with Future Sight he still got hit that means Luffy expected on the roof he could dodge Thunder Bagua with Future Sight which debunks the notion that act 1 Luffy was using Future Sight.

Overcoming death will though.

Zoro overcame his death after fighting Mihawk and he's barely above Sanji. Luffy wasn;t also die after he lost to Kaido 1 on 1 the first time on the roof.

by that logic Kinemon also got much stronger after he overcame death from Kaido.

Proof?

He lost his calm after Luffy saw his teeth so he wasn;'t using CoO.

Also funny how you conveniently ignored this statement of mine.

Katakuri blitzes Akainu who treated Marco and Vista like dirts.

Katakuri>>>>Marco

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Holy shit

 

[Gozan2222]

I don't mind people say Katakuri got powercliffed hard as long as they agree Akainu who is much slower than Katakuri got powercliffed hard.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Kachon found someone more psychotic than me.
Wow.
Also Marco and Vista are faster and stronger than Katakuri so what's your point?

 

[DaReaperMan]

This my friends is what we call "Reading Half Piece and a biscuit"

Charlotte Katakuri

The third of the Sweet Commanders to appear, Charlotte Katakuri is the second son of the Charlotte Family and the oldest of a set of fraternal triplets, his younger brothers being Daifuku and Oven. He is Totto Land's Minister of Flour, as well as the strongest of the Sweet Commanders, with a...

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I can't wait to see your reaction when we currently rate Katakuri as 7-A+ and Rela+, making Kaidou over 16x faster then Katakuri jobbing lol

Wait until Katakuri comes back into the story, then you'll probably get High 6-A Katakuri and shit, until then he gets blitzed and one-shot by... ******* Kaido. Why are you even mad that Katakuri loses to a guy hyped up to be the strongest?!

 

[Kachon123]

Kachon found someone more psychotic than me.

You're not even that bad. You're just unfunny and annoying.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

You're not even that bad. You're just unfunny and annoying.

I quite literally don't give a ****.

This my friends is what we call "Reading Half Piece and a biscuit"

Charlotte Katakuri

The third of the Sweet Commanders to appear, Charlotte Katakuri is the second son of the Charlotte Family and the oldest of a set of fraternal triplets, his younger brothers being Daifuku and Oven. He is Totto Land's Minister of Flour, as well as the strongest of the Sweet Commanders, with a...

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I can't wait to see your reaction when we currently rate Katakuri as 7-A+ and Rela+, making Kaidou over 16x faster then Katakuri jobbing lol

Wait until Katakuri comes back into the story, then you'll probably get High 6-A Katakuri and shit, until then he gets blitzed and one-shot by... ******* Kaido. Why are you even mad that Katakuri loses to a guy hyped up to be the strongest?!

Katakuri getting out of the hallucinogenic gas to find out that Oven matched him, Perospero got spanked by furries, Pudding is captured, his mom got thrown off an island, and Cracker got loldiffed by Kuzan

 

[Gozan2222]

Kachon found someone more psychotic than me.
Wow.
Also Marco and Vista are faster and stronger than Katakuri so what's your point?

How are they faster when they cannot hit Akainu who is much slower than Katakuri?

And how are they stronger when Marco cannot damage Queen?

 

[Gozan2222]

Katakuri getting out of the hallucinogenic gas to find out that Oven matched him, Perospero got spanked by furries, Pudding is captured, his mom got thrown off an island, and Cracker got loldiffed by Kuzan

The one who made Kaido run for his life got lol diffed by a bunch of nameless mops

The one who made Kaido run for his life just had a death battle against nameless mops judging by Zoro's face.

 

[Kachon123]

Holy crap stop spamming the same images

 

[Gozan2222]

This my friends is what we call "Reading Half Piece and a biscuit"

Charlotte Katakuri

The third of the Sweet Commanders to appear, Charlotte Katakuri is the second son of the Charlotte Family and the oldest of a set of fraternal triplets, his younger brothers being Daifuku and Oven. He is Totto Land's Minister of Flour, as well as the strongest of the Sweet Commanders, with a...

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I can't wait to see your reaction when we currently rate Katakuri as 7-A+ and Rela+, making Kaidou over 16x faster then Katakuri jobbing lol

Wait until Katakuri comes back into the story, then you'll probably get High 6-A Katakuri and shit, until then he gets blitzed and one-shot by... ******* Kaido. Why are you even mad that Katakuri loses to a guy hyped up to be the strongest?!

So Kaido is 32x faster than Akainu who is slower than katakuri?

Spoiler

 

[DaMonkeMan]

How are they faster when they cannot hit Akainu who is much slower than Katakuri?

And how are they stronger when Marco cannot damage Queen?

Okay..

 

[Gozan2222]

Okay..

Good you lost the debate and admit defeat.

This my friends is what we call "Reading Half Piece and a biscuit"

Charlotte Katakuri

The third of the Sweet Commanders to appear, Charlotte Katakuri is the second son of the Charlotte Family and the oldest of a set of fraternal triplets, his younger brothers being Daifuku and Oven. He is Totto Land's Minister of Flour, as well as the strongest of the Sweet Commanders, with a...

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I can't wait to see your reaction when we currently rate Katakuri as 7-A+ and Rela+, making Kaidou over 16x faster then Katakuri jobbing lol

Wait until Katakuri comes back into the story, then you'll probably get High 6-A Katakuri and shit, until then he gets blitzed and one-shot by... ******* Kaido. Why are you even mad that Katakuri loses to a guy hyped up to be the strongest?!

I don't think so. Katakuri is much faster than Future Sight Kaido. Snakeman punching bag needs lucky shot or outlast Katakuri haki to beat Katakuri who kept up with Snakeman in speed.