One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

[Sus]

Chapter 1077 is already trending on Twitter and the spoilers haven't even come out yet. People are really that hyped to see Kid lose lol.

kid about to lose more than an arm

 

[Gozan2222]

Shanks is very overrated. rarely appear yet for some reason he's the strongest OP character. Kidd gives him an extremely difficult fight would be satisfying

 

[Gozan2222]

Katakuri beats Marco with medium difficulty

 

[Sus]

marco beats katakuri with 0 difficulty

i agree

 

[Gozan2222]

i agree

I didn't type that. Katakuri beats Marco with negative difficulty. You need Future Sight and Snakeman speed to beat Katakuri. You don't need any of those to beat Marco. Just outlast his regen and you'll beat him. WCI Luffy let alone Katakuri beats Marco.

 

[Gozan2222]

Top 3 fastest characters in the series:

1. Kizaru
2. Snakeman Luffy (blitzing Kaido so fast he didn't know what hit him)
3. Katakuri (keeping up with Snakeman which means Katakuri can blitz Kaido too like Snakeman did)

 

[Sus]

Top 3 fastest characters in the series:

1. Kizaru
2. Snakeman Luffy (blitzing Kaido so fast he didn't know what hit him)
3. Katakuri (keeping up with Snakeman which means Katakuri can blitz Kaido too like Snakeman did)

and why do you assume the snakeman that fought kaido is equal to the one who fought katakuri?

 

[Gozan2222]

and why do you assume the snakeman that fought kaido is equal to the one who fought katakuri?

Luffy only trained his armament in Udon. Got conqueror coating which boosts his attack power not his attack speed.

Katakuri blitzes Kaido. That's the truth if Snakeman treated Kaido like a punching bag.

 

[Sus]

also kata only kept up with snakeman with future sight, kaido also kept up with snakeman when he used it

 

[Gozan2222]

also kata only kept up with snakeman with future sight, kaido also kept up with snakeman when he used it

WCI Snakeman was using Future Sight against Future Sight Katakuri so Katakuri Future Sight was cancelled by Snakeman Future Sight which boils down to Katakuri having the same speed as Snakeman to keep up with Snakeman speed.

Katakuri blitzed Snakeman faster than Future Sight Kaido did.

 

[Sus]

Katakuri blitzes Kaido. That's the truth if Snakeman treated Kaido like a punching bag.

the fact that kaido was still joking around when he was getting punched left and right, what are you even saying

 

[Sus]

WCI Snakeman was using Future Sight against Future Sight Katakuri so Katakuri Future Sight was cancelled by Snakeman Future Sight which boils down to Katakuri having the same speed as Snakeman to keep up with Snakeman speed.

Katakuri blitzed Snakeman faster than Future Sight Kaido did.

katakuri didnt blitz snakeman what? also hydra is all about future sight so the same applies for kaido

 

[Gozan2222]

the fact that kaido was still joking around when he was getting punched left and right, what are you even saying

He was serious before and still got blitzed and cannot react to Snakeman.

katakuri didnt blitz snakeman what? also hydra is all about future sight so the same applies for kaido

Katakuri moved faster than Future Sight Kaido. That's the entire point of my argument. With Future Sight and copying Snakeman speed Kaido is still slower than Katakuri. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast his haki.

 

[Sus]

He was serious before and still got blitzed and cannot react to Snakeman.

i agree that snakeman is faster than kaido im replying to the "punching bag" statement as kaido didnt take much damage from it

He was serious before and still got blitzed and cannot react to Snakeman.


Katakuri moved faster than Future Sight Kaido. That's the entire point of my argument. With Future Sight and copying Snakeman speed Kaido is still slower than Katakuri. Kaido needs lucky shot to beat Katakuri or outlast his haki.

which is wrong because wci luffy > wano luffy

 

[Gozan2222]

i agree that snakeman is faster than kaido im replying to the "punching bag" statement as kaido didnt take much damage from it

He's a punching bag to Snakeman. He didn't know where Snakeman attacks came from.

which is wrong because wci luffy > wano luffy

Which is right because Wano Luffy=WCI Luffy in speed. Wano Luffy>WCI Luffy in attack power due to armament boost and conqueror coating.

Katakuri blitzes Kaido to oblivion.

 

[Sus]

He's a punching bag to Snakeman. He didn't know where Snakeman attacks came from.

same thing wouldve happened if kata wasnt using future sight as luffys hydra uses it too

Which is right because Wano Luffy=WCI Luffy in speed. Wano Luffy>WCI Luffy in attack power due to armament boost and conqueror coating.

Katakuri blitzes Kaido to oblivion.

just because he didnt train his speed it didnt improve? so ig most of luffys forms scale to the same thing?

 

[Gozan2222]

same thing wouldve happened if kata wasnt using future sight as luffys hydra uses it too

Kaido already used Future Sight and he moved slower than Katakuri. This statement doesn't change my argument. Kaido could only use his Future Sight in drunk mode unlike Katakuri who can use it 24/7. Kaido needs a lot of sake to stay drunk to use Future Sight to keep up with Katakuri speed and he's still slower than Katakuri.

just because he didnt train his speed it didnt improve? so ig most of luffys forms scale to the same thing?

Yep he trained his armament in Udon no reason to say post Udon Luffy got faster. That's desperate.

Snakeman>Boundman>Base Luffy in speed.

Snakeman Luffy without speed boost blitzed Kaido. Katakuri blitzes Kaido too.

 

[Sus]

Kaido could only use his Future Sight in drunk mode unlike Katakuri who can use it 24/7.

no, he can use it whenever, he just doesnt do it unless its necessary

Yep he trained his armament in Udon no reason to say post Udon Luffy got faster. That's desperate.

he got better feats, thats a reason

Snakeman>Boundman>Base Luffy in speed.

and fun fact kata is below boundman when not using future sight, and guess who blitzed boundman? base kaido

 

[Gozan2222]

no, he can use it whenever, he just doesnt do it unless its necessary

Nope he can't if he could there's no reason he drunk sake when he was using Future Sight. kaido also later got hit by Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman. If he could sue Future Sight 24/7 he should be able to dodge Over kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman.

he got better feats, thats a reason

There's no speed feat. He still got blitzed by Thunder Bagua even when he was using Future Sight. Post Udon Luffy=pre Udon Luffy in speed. Only his armament got stronger.

and fun fact kata is below boundman when not using future sight, and guess who blitzed boundman? base kaido

Katakuri wasn't using CoO when he was fighting Boundman. Fun fact Boundman never blitzed Katakuri. Only overpowered Katakuri. Snakeman with Future Sight was tagged and outpaced by Future Sight Katakuri.

Katakuri blitzed Snakeman faster than Thunder Bagua did against slower Boundman.

Thunder Bagua cannot blitz Snakeman that is as fast as Katakuri which boils down to Katakuri blitzes Kaido remains true.

 

[SnookB]

unrelated to the point but I love the difference between Law/BB and Shanks/Kid.
Law and BB are both excited to fight each other, viewing one another as actual opposition.

Kid is laughing but sweating, while Beck uses "Our "enemy"" as sarcasm and Shanks looks like he's deadass about to take care of just another tuesday. The sheer amount of no ***** given by the Red-Hairs somehow makes it worse for Kid in my eyes.

 

[Sus]

Nope he can't if he could there's no reason he drunk sake when he was using Future Sight. kaido also later got hit by Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman. If he could sue Future Sight 24/7 he should be able to dodge Over kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman.

this is misinterprating my point, kaido can use it when he wants not that he uses it all the time, also he drank to feel entertained he literally said that

He still got blitzed by Thunder Bagua even when he was using Future Sight

yeah kaidos fastest attack

Katakuri wasn't using CoO when he was fighting Boundman

literally my point

Fun fact Boundman never blitzed Katakuri

naaa he got his shit combo'ed

 

[Gozan2222]

this is misinterprating my point, kaido can use it when he wants not that he uses it all the time, also he drank to feel entertained he literally said that

Yet he got hit by Over Kong Gun a much slower attach than Snakeman where was his Future Sight? Why did he drink sake to use Future SIght if he could use it 24/7?

yeah kaidos fastest attack

Headcannon. Base Kaido blitzed Future Sight Luffy in the rooftop

literally my point

Nope Katakuri never tried to blitz Boundman. Only tried to block it. Katakuri blitzed SNakeman faster than Kaido did against a slower Boundman.

naaa he got his shit combo'ed

Nah Boundman cannot put Katakuri down despite Katakuri not having Kaido durability. Boundman put Kaido down depsite Kaido having dragon durability. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes against Boundman and had to wait until Luffy stopped attacking him to use Thunder Bagua.

 

[Sus]

Yet he got hit by Over Kong Gun a much slower attach than Snakeman where was his Future Sight? Why did he drink sake to use Future SIght if he could use it 24/7?

reread the scene, kaido only used it to show luffy that he also can

Headcannon. Base Kaido blitzed Future Sight Luffy in the rooftop

its not headcanon, thunder bagua involves kaido moving at "blinding speeds"

Nope Katakuri never tried to blitz Boundman. Only tried to block it. Katakuri blitzed SNakeman faster than Kaido did against a slower Boundman.

send a panel of kata blitzing snakeman

Nah Boundman cannot put Katakuri down despite Katakuri not having Kaido durability. Boundman put Kaido down depsite Kaido having dragon durability. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes against Boundman and had to wait until Luffy stopped attacking him to use Thunder Bagua.

you didnt watch the fight did you? kaido wasnt even sober while tanking boundman

 

[Gozan2222]

reread the scene, kaido only used it to show luffy that he also can

He had to drink sake to show it and he got hut by Over Kong Gun a much slower attack where was his Future Sight? Why did you ignore this question?

its not headcanon, thunder bagua involves kaido moving at "blinding speeds"

And Future Sight Luffy still got blitzed by base Kaido thus no speed boost post Udon.

send a panel of kata blitzing snakeman

Katakuri dodged and moved in front of Luffy before Luffy could pull his left arm compared to Kaido wh moved in front of Luffy after Luffy pulled and launched another attack for Kaido to move in front of Luffy in the top panels

you didnt watch the fight did you? kaido wasnt even sober while tanking boundman

I saw the fight. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes straight cannot fight back. Could only hit back when Luffy stopped attacking him. Even Gear 3 put down dragon Kaido while Boundman cannot put down Katakuri.

 

[Eseseso]

I hope it gets mentioned that Kidd slaughtered innocents, per Shakky's words.

You can't get away with that shit.

Killing other pirates? Fine, that's just business in the pirate world, cruel as Kid's methods of doing it were.

But he should not be allowed to go unpunished for the civilians he murdered.

 

[Sus]

He had to drink sake to show it and he got hut by Over Kong Gun a much slower attack where was his Future Sight? Why did you ignore this question?

i didnt ignore it, i already said he only used it to show off against luffy, kaido is known to not dodge

And Future Sight Luffy still got blitzed by base Kaido thus no speed boost post Udon.

thats a feat for kaido

Katakuri dodged and moved in front of Luffy before Luffy could pull his left arm compared to Kaido wh moved in front of Luffy after Luffy pulled and launched another attack for Kaido to move in front of Luffy in the top panels

he reacted to both

I saw the fight. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes straight cannot fight back. Could only hit back when Luffy stopped attacking him. Even Gear 3 put down dragon Kaido while Boundman cannot put down Katakuri.

boundman did 0 damage to kaido

 

[Sus]

no offense but are you trolling? first you say kata blitzes kaido now you say hes more durable

 

[Gozan2222]

i didnt ignore it, i already said he only used it to show off against luffy, kaido is known to not dodge

And he had to drink sake to show it which debunks kaido can use Future Sight 24/7. You didn't answer why cannot Kaido dodge Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman if he could use 24/7. You concede at this point.

thats a feat for kaido

That's also Kaido's feat blitzing non Future Sight act 1 Luffy therefore no speed boost for Luffy. Snakeman Luffy that blitzed Kaido=Snakeman Luffy that fought Katkuri in speed.

he reacted to both

Katakuri moved in front of Luffy before Luffy could pull his left arm. Future Sight Kaido moved in front of Luffy after Luffy pulled his arms+launching another Jet Culverin. The time for Katakuri to move in fornt of Luffy was shorter than the time Future Sight Kaido needed to move in front of SNakeman Luffy. Katakuri blitzes Kaido.

Another panels of Katakuri blitzing Snakeman. Katakuri hit Luffy in the right panel. Then hit Luffy again before Luffy could hit Katakuri.

boundman did 0 damage to kaido

I was talking about speed though not ap. You're the one who is using Boundman to downplay Katakuri's speed which fails miserably.

no offense but are you trolling? first you say kata blitzes kaido now you say hes more durable

If Snakeman blitzed Kaido then Katakuri blitzes Kaido too. Easy math.

 

[Sus]

And he had to drink sake to show it which debunks kaido can use Future Sight 24/7. You didn't answer why cannot Kaido dodge Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman if he could use 24/7. You concede at this point.

bro thats not even what i said

That's also Kaido's feat blitzing non Future Sight act 1 Luffy therefore no speed boost for Luffy. Snakeman Luffy that blitzed Kaido=Snakeman Luffy that fought Katkuri in speed.

he kept up with kaido for long periods how is that not a feat

I was talking about speed though not ap. You're the one who is using Boundman to downplay Katakuri's speed which fails miserably.

kaido>>boundman luffy>>no obs kata

If Snakeman blitzed Kaido then Katakuri blitzes Kaido too. Easy math.

i guess agree to disagree

 

[Gozan2222]

bro thats not even what i said

Explain why he had to drunk sake to show off Future Sight.

Explain why he cannot dodge Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman if he could use Future Sight 24/7.

You can not answer those questions.

he kept up with kaido for long periods how is that not a feat

Because Kaido didn't use Thunder Bagua his fastest attack. The monent Kaido used Thunder Bagua, Luffy got blitzed showing no speed boost from Luffy.

kaido>>boundman luffy>>no obs kata

In overall power yes but not in speed. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes against Boundman and had to wait Boundman stopping his attacks to use Thunder Bagua. Boundman was forced to run from Katakuri. Katakuri never tried to blitz Bounman.

Future Sight Katakuri>>>Future Sight Kaido in speed.

i guess agree to disagree

Nope it's fact. It's delusion to think that Katakuri cannot blitz Kaido when Snakeman that is as fast as Katakuri blitzed Kaido.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Lol.
Katakuri lost to WCI Luffy. ( Edit, technically they were practically equal but it doesn't really negate my point as Luffy still grew considerably stronger and still got roflstomped by Kaidou like 2-3 times )
Wano Luffy is significantly stronger than both.
Kaidou is stronger than all of them by a large margin.

 

[Sus]

Explain why he had to drunk sake to show off Future Sight.

Explain why he cannot dodge Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman if he could use Future Sight 24/7.

You can not answer those questions.

he drank because he was enjoying the fight he said so

because boundman > g2 who dodged thunder bagua, kaido cant dodge it imo, even then he usually doesnt dodge anyway

Because Kaido didn't use Thunder Bagua his fastest attack. The monent Kaido used Thunder Bagua, Luffy got blitzed showing no speed boost from Luffy.

kaidos normal speed scales to other emperors and admirals, do you think kata blitzes them too?

In overall power yes but not in speed. Kaido was helpless for 30 minutes against Boundman and had to wait Boundman stopping his attacks to use Thunder Bagua. Boundman was forced to run from Katakuri. Katakuri never tried to blitz Bounman.

Future Sight Katakuri>>>Future Sight Kaido in speed.

kaido wasnt even trying to dodge he was literally not in his mind, and kata (no obs) got overwhelmed by boundman

Nope it's fact. It's delusion to think that Katakuri cannot blitz Kaido when Snakeman that is as fast as Katakuri blitzed Kaido.

ok

 

[Sus]

Lol.
Katakuri lost to WCI Luffy. ( Edit, technically they were practically equal but it doesn't really negate my point as Luffy still grew considerably stronger and still got roflstomped by Kaidou like 2-3 times )
Wano Luffy is significantly stronger than both.
Kaidou is stronger than all of them by a large margin.

well hes talking about speed only, but yeah kaido blitzes kata even with future sight

 

[DaMonkeMan]

Stop entertaining him, dude thinks the guy that got socked by Oven ( AKA Akainu from craigslist ) is above Kaidou.
Let him be deluded.

 

[Sus]

Stop entertaining him, dude thinks the guy that got socked by Oven ( AKA Akainu from craigslist ) is above Kaidou.
Let him be deluded.

craiglist is wild

 

[Gozan2222]

he drank because he was enjoying the fight he said so

because boundman > g2 who dodged thunder bagua, kaido cant dodge it imo, even then he usually doesnt dodge anyway

He drunk then he used Thief Mode to use Future Sight. Not once Kaido used Future Sight without Thief Mode.

Headcannon Kaido didn't dodge purposely. He dodged Red Hawk, Gear 3, blocked Luffy's kick in chapter 1036. He could not Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman because he cannot use Future SIght after his Thief Mode ran out.

kaidos normal speed scales to other emperors and admirals, do you think kata blitzes them too?

Headcannon. Luffy barely dodged Thunder Bagua while he easily dodged Kaido nameless club swing in chapter 1000. Thunder Bagua>>>Kaido attacks in speed. Even Big Mom who cannot hit Udon Luffy matched Kaido's non Thunder Bagua attacks.

kaido wasnt even trying to dodge he was literally not in his mind, and kata (no obs) got overwhelmed by boundman

Headcannon. He cannot attack back and was helpless for 30 minutes because he cannot use Thunder Bagua unless Boundman stopped attacking him. Katakuri never tried to blitz Boundman. Repeating the same argument won't change what I said.

ok

Good.

well hes talking about speed only, but yeah kaido blitzes kata even with future sight

Non Future SIght Kaido got blitzed by SNakeman that is as fast as Katakuri.

Future Sight Kaido cannot blitz SNakeman as fast as Katakuri did.

Future SIght Kaido is much slower than Katakuri.

Stop entertaining him, dude thinks the guy that got socked by Oven ( AKA Akainu from craigslist ) is above Kaidou.
Let him be deluded.

Oven snuck on Katakuri while Katakuri beat up 3 Germa. I'm saying Katakuri is above Kaido in speed.

Zoro struggled against 3 gifters the same Zoro who scared Kaido with Hiryu kaen.

 

[DaMonkeMan]

He drunk then he used Thief Mode to use Future Sight. Not once Kaido used Future Sight without Thief Mode.

Headcannon Kaido didn't dodge purposely. He dodged Red Hawk, Gear 3, blocked Luffy's kick in chapter 1036. He could not Over Kong Gun a much slower attack than Snakeman because he cannot use Future SIght after his Thief Mode ran out.

Headcannon. Luffy barely dodged Thunder Bagua while he easily dodged Kaido nameless club swing in chapter 1000. Thunder Bagua>>>Kaido attacks in speed. Even Big Mom who cannot hit Udon Luffy matched Kaido's non Thunder Bagua attacks.

Headcannon. He cannot attack back and was helpless for 30 minutes because he cannot use Thunder Bagua unless Boundman stopped attacking him. Katakuri never tried to blitz Boundman. Repeating the same argument won't change what I said.

Good.

Non Future SIght Kaido got blitzed by SNakeman that is as fast as Katakuri.

Future Sight Kaido cannot blitz SNakeman as fast as Katakuri did.

Future SIght Kaido is much slower than Katakuri.


Oven snuck on Katakuri while Katakuri beat up 3 Germa. I'm saying Katakuri is above Kaido in speed.

Zoro struggled against 3 gifters the same Zoro who scared Kaido with Hiryu kaen.

One: How is Katakuri above speed when Jinbe and Luffy stopped him and hit him
Two: Are you saying Kaidou and Zoro after Gifter level

 

[Sus]

1 question do you think kata is faster than big mom

 

[Gozan2222]

One: How is Katakuri above speed when Jinbe and Luffy stopped him and hit him
Two: Are you saying Kaidou and Zoro after Gifter level

One: Jinbe and Luffy never hit Future Sight katakuri
Two: Are you saying Snakeman Luffy is Oven level? Just using your horrible argument against you.

1 question do you think kata is faster than big mom

He's much faster than Future Sight Kaido

 

[Gozan2222]

1 question do you think kata is faster than big mom

You cannot prove how Luffy got faster since he was still blizted by Thunder bagua. You cannot debunk that Kaido without Thunder bagua is as slow as Big Mom who got blitzed by Brook and failed to hit Udon Luffy.