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One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

Kachon123 said:
I find it so hilarious how you say there's no reason to say that Sanji has to be close to "Zoro or Luffy" when it's Zoro who's always paired with Sanji rather than with Luffy in terms of strength and portrayal.

I mean Sanji is going to be the third strongest in the crew that will defeat the faction that Joyboy couldn't. How is he not going to be that strong EOS? Sanji was literally raised and trained by a Pirate Legend and was the second-in-command in a restaurant that was famous throughout the world mostly for how strong the chefs were and not necessarily how good the food was. Oda goes out of his way to show that Sanji is abnormally strong and is among the strongest of any given story arc over and over and over again. In Sanji's introduction he literally drew this.

"There's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent"

This is such a funny comment when comparing their opponents this arc/people they got feats against it was the opposite:

Zoro: Kaku, 1v2 against S-Hawk, Lucci (hasn't even seen a Gorosei yet)
Sanji: S-Shark 1v1, Saturn, Kizaru, Nusjuro

I mean even if we want to address the "hypetool" allegations, that's just blatantly wrong. If we're talking about Vergo, an already injured Sanji had the upper hand against him. Zoro would've been in a worse position than Sanji against Doflamingo since he can't even fly so the crew would likely have all been killed. I don't know who else Sanji was a "hypetool" to, and you bringing up him being the first result when you search is up is more of a reflection of how folks like you don't even read the story but instead downplay for no reason, but I digress. There's no real point in trying to defend Sanji when Oda does it himself all the time. Sanji and Shanks are literally the only people that Oda glazes in SBS' in regards to their abilities and powers. Hell, Oda's signature is literally Sanji. Any claim that Sanji is hated by Oda or is his excuse to hype the villains is blatantly wrong.
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Best sc in one piece??
 
Kachon123 said:
I find it so hilarious how you say there's no reason to say that Sanji has to be close to "Zoro or Luffy" when it's Zoro who's always paired with Sanji rather than with Luffy in terms of strength and portrayal.

I mean Sanji is going to be the third strongest in the crew that will defeat the faction that Joyboy couldn't. How is he not going to be that strong EOS? Sanji was literally raised and trained by a Pirate Legend and was the second-in-command in a restaurant that was famous throughout the world mostly for how strong the chefs were and not necessarily how good the food was. Oda goes out of his way to show that Sanji is abnormally strong and is among the strongest of any given story arc over and over and over again. In Sanji's introduction he literally drew this.

"There's a clear reason that one has constant impressive feats against top tiers and can even take out high tiers with one attack while the other always faces the weaker opponent"

This is such a funny comment when comparing their opponents this arc/people they got feats against it was the opposite:

Zoro: Kaku, 1v2 against S-Hawk, Lucci (hasn't even seen a Gorosei yet)
Sanji: S-Shark 1v1, Saturn, Kizaru, Nusjuro

I mean even if we want to address the "hypetool" allegations, that's just blatantly wrong. If we're talking about Vergo, an already injured Sanji had the upper hand against him. Zoro would've been in a worse position than Sanji against Doflamingo since he can't even fly so the crew would likely have all been killed. I don't know who else Sanji was a "hypetool" to, and you bringing up him being the first result when you search is up is more of a reflection of how folks like you don't even read the story but instead downplay for no reason, but I digress. There's no real point in trying to defend Sanji when Oda does it himself all the time. Sanji and Shanks are literally the only people that Oda glazes in SBS' in regards to their abilities and powers. Hell, Oda's signature is literally Sanji. Any claim that Sanji is hated by Oda or is his excuse to hype the villains is blatantly wrong.
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Also I didn't see this until now and I don't feel like debunking it cause I'm a little busy but I will say that I wasn't against the idea of him being a top tier at all, in fact I recall saying that it's pretty likely, I'm just saying he doesn't have as much going for him as Zoro and Luffy do in that regard.
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
tho there might exist some support outside of that title that he truly is the strongest creature but idk if that's true
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Kaido is definitely the most powerful creature. That's an undeniable fact. But if you don't include humans among creatures, that's debatable. But I won't do that🙉
 
And before you say it, yes I did say he might not be relative to Zoro, but that doesn't mean he's not a top tier EOS
For example Issho isn't exactly relative to Shanks (or so it seems) but both are top tiers
 
MonkeyOfLife said:
But now that it's with mihawk it has to be true even tho it's a title within the verse and even outside and inside the verse only talks about swords skill for that title
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his profile literally says this ''He's the strongest swordsman in the world in both name and actuality'' and on top of that ''he's currently waiting for a worthy foe who surpasses his old rival Shanks'' meaning he himself is stronger then him.
 
And Current Shanks is losing to mihawk due to the databook stating that shanks used to be as strong as him implying that he isnt any longer, know we know why mihawk didnt wanna fight shanks at marineford and why they dont fight anymore, and also why they are refered to as old rivals due to shanks not being as strong as him and not being on his level anymore and why hes waiting for a worthy foe who surpasses shanks, So current shanks is losing to mihawk if they fight.

im not going any further with this debate it's as clear as day it's silly that i even needed to.
 
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DaMonkeMan said:
And tbf I get why he dislikes her because Oda used her as a way to show his unnatural love for Oden and not much else but still
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is that a bad thing? oden is one of the most underrated characters and he reminds me of luffy and his bs is currently the most enjoyable in all of op i loved the way oda kept bringing up my goat who would've been a major top tier if he was still alive.
 
Kircdaaa said:
is that a bad thing? oden is one of the most underrated characters and he reminds me of luffy and his bs is currently the most enjoyable in all of op i loved the way oda kept bringing up my goat who would've been a major top tier if he was still alive.
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Yeah he was very strong and what not but kind of dumb as hell in terms of leadership and planning
 
Kircdaaa said:
is that a bad thing? oden is one of the most underrated characters and he reminds me of luffy and his bs is currently the most enjoyable in all of op i loved the way oda kept bringing up my goat who would've been a major top tier if he was still alive.
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It's probably that we already had a lot of characters in Wano with a positive opinion of Oden so adding Yamato might feel not neccesary.
 
Crobatman44 said:
It's probably that we already had a lot of characters in Wano with a positive opinion of Oden so adding Yamato might feel not neccesary.
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ye i get that but thats normal since the whole country thought of him as a joke whole time he was protecting them and they found out last second when he was dying
and also the thing in op that a man only dies whe hes forgotten so im glad that oda did it that way for oden since he undoubtedly deserves all the praise/regocnition

yamato was inspired by him bcs of his freedom same way with how koby was with luffy. i can see your reasoning tho
 
DaMonkeMan said:
No dude you literally said you hate her lol I'm not saying it just cause of the Lucci thing (though that was indeed stupid)
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Nierre said:
you may not hate her anymore, but you used to be OPENLY express your hate towards her lol. We all remember that
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No I definitely hate her, I'm just asking how my hate for her relates to my scaling between characters, because the context of him saying that was because apparently my takes are garbage surrounding her.
 
Mndks said:
What is the Lucci thing
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It was about who could win between Lucci and Yamato
I argued Yamato wins because she down scales from Hybrid Kaido with ACoC and Armament while Lucci downscale from G5 with basic CoA/no CoA (not sure which it's a bit confusing especially considering the end of their scuffle)
Kachon said Lucci wins cause he scales to G5 with CoA/no CoA and Yamato isn't that impressive (don't ask me why I'm just the messenger)
 
Kachon123 said:
No I definitely hate her, I'm just asking how my hate for her relates to my scaling between characters, because the context of him saying that was because my takes are garbage surrounding her.
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I think you also said she was below Sanji and Queen so.. Speaks for itself dunnit?
 
Lucci gonna be quaking in his boots at the end of this cover arc, when Yamato goes "I am now as strong as Kaidou and so is Momonosuke."
 
DaMonkeMan said:
I think you also said she was below Sanji and Queen so.. Speaks for itself dunnit?
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This is the same site that had Base Yamato > Base Kaidou, Zoan Yamato > Zoan Kaidou, and Hybrid Yamato > Hybrid Kaidou until like last week. In my book Sanji being above Yamato and Queen being somewhat relative to her are far better takes than that. Might just be me though lmao
 
Kachon123 said:
This is the same site that had Base Yamato > Base Kaidou, Zoan Yamato > Zoan Kaidou, and Hybrid Yamato > Hybrid Kaidou until like last week. In my book Sanji being above Yamato and Queen being somewhat relative to her are far better takes than that. Might just be me though lmao
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We have them even at best on the profile.
 
Kachon123 said:
Because I changed it in a CRT like last week. Literally every time I proposed to change it before then I got jumped by like 10 Yamato glazers.
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Misread your post. That said, I still don't think Yamato is anywhere near as overhyped as a lot of other characters.
 
This is unironically what we rated Base Yamato

Should be comparable to or stronger than Base Kaidou due to their Zoan Forms matching each other
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I had to fight tooth and nail to add the "comparable" part btw. There's never been a single One Piece profile in this wiki that was more wanked and overhyped than Yamato's was.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
It was about who could win between Lucci and Yamato
I argued Yamato wins because she down scales from Hybrid Kaido with ACoC and Armament while Lucci downscale from G5 with basic CoA/no CoA (not sure which it's a bit confusing especially considering the end of their scuffle)
Kachon said Lucci wins cause he scales to G5 with CoA/no CoA and Yamato isn't that impressive (don't ask me why I'm just the messenger)
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I don't think Luffyn gives her all. There's a scene where he lets him guard down against Lucci, so she's underestimating him.
 
DaMonkeMan said:
Kachon said Lucci wins cause he scales to G5 with CoA/no CoA and Yamato isn't that impressive (don't ask me why I'm just the messenger)
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You're doing a pretty damn terrible job at it then

I never said Lucci scales to Gear 5 Luffy's AP 😭🙏 I said he was able to dodge an attack from Gear 5 Luffy, which is a better speed feat than Yamato's best speed feat (matching Kaidou's Thunder Bagua speed) since Gear 2 Luffy was able to blitz a much faster Kaidou's Thunder Bagua
 
Kachon123 said:
You're doing a pretty damn terrible job at it then

I never said Lucci scales to Gear 5 Luffy's AP 😭🙏 I said he was able to dodge an attack from Gear 5 Luffy, which is a better speed feat than Yamato's best speed feat (matching Kaidou's Thunder Bagua speed) since Gear 2 Luffy was able to blitz a much faster Kaidou's Thunder Bagua
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He dodged an attack once but got hit thrice once while he used a speed amp
So it's just a downscale
 
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