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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph

Also, someone found a databook scan (though he doesn't say the exact databook name) saying that 3-Sword Base Rooftop Zoro = Killer (though we all kinda knew that):

 
Kachon's dream:


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We gon' pretend Greenbull's bumass doesn't exist
True that
Like, how do you fumble so damn hard you don't even get a H6A profile after a clash with like, 6 H6A characters.
Absolute jobber, only Jack and Smoker can compare to this tomfoolery.

Literally got clowned to the point of making a new term, "Wifi Diff" ( getting clapped by someone's Haki at range ) .
 
Literally got clowned to the point of making a new term, "Wifi Diff" ( getting clapped by someone's Haki at range ) .
Experienced 5G CoC
He did fumble pretty hard tbh. I know it should be a point in Shanks' favor and it isn't the first time an admiral hesitated because of him (Akainu got sweaty on sight after all) but to withdraw from THAT great a distance is just..
oof-

Which makes me wonder if he believed Shanks could've closed that giant distance gap fast enough or something
 
Also, someone found a databook scan (though he doesn't say the exact databook name) saying that 3-Sword Base Rooftop Zoro = Killer (though we all kinda knew that):


So basically Killer w/Punishers = Santoryu Zoro > Nitoryu Zoro ~ Killer w/out Punishers.
 
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This is still the funniest Worstgen post I ever saw and I know I shared it here before but I'm reposting because I did that months ago plus it's just hilarious.
I love how Shanks ( and Benn ) kind of embarrassed every Admiral.
Shanks stops a magma fist from Akainu pretty casually and makes the entire navy ( and BBP ) retreat.
Shanks clowns on Aramaki with sheer will power.
And pushes back Kizaru and Fujitora with his Haki
 
So basically Killer w/Punishers = Santoryu Zoro > Nitoryu Zoro ~ Killer w/out Punishers.
Exactly!

Now, Killer w/o Punishers should still be High 6-A (since he shouldn't be hundreds of times weaker and he still drew blood from a distracted Zoro), but that chain up there is 100% correct!

If only I knew exactly which databook that was from so I could actually add the statement to their profiles...

OH NO! This is also Damage & Tiokill's dream: Destroying the OP LS scaling.
Tiokill was a GodlyCharmander sock.
 
Exactly!

Now, Killer w/o Punishers should still be High 6-A (since he shouldn't be hundreds of times weaker and he still drew blood from a distracted Zoro), but that chain up there is 100% correct!

If only I knew exactly which databook that was from so I could actually add the statement to their profiles...
So if Kaku matches Zoro with all 3 swords (which I doubt but I guess it's likely if he doesn't use Haki against Kaku ) then Kaku is Killer level?
Though right now he's struggling with 1 sword groggy Zoro so..
Tiokill was a GodlyCharmander sock.
LMAO
This may be immature to say.. but that was a funny situation.
I mean, it was a pretty bad thing to do, and I don't recommend it at all, but still.
 
So if Kaku matches Zoro with all 3 swords (which I doubt but I guess it's likely if he doesn't use Haki against Kaku ) then Kaku is Killer level?
Though right now he's struggling with 1 sword groggy Zoro so..
Probably.

I have a horrible feeling that Zoro will roflstomp him into next month, but assuming Oda gives Kaku a chance (since Kaku is popular with fans):

  • Base Kaku will probably be comparable to 3-sword Zoro (may need Rokushiki/Yontoryu, although Yontoryu is technically Rokushiki)
  • Hybrid Kaku will equal Buso Zoro, which mind you was overwhelming Buso+Imperial Flame King in the last part of their fight
LMAO
This may be immature to say.. but that was a funny situation.
I mean, it was a pretty bad thing to do, and I don't recommend it at all, but still.
I always respected GodlyCharmander, but he broke the rules.

And was a bit...abrasive at times, to say the least.

Should've known something was up when this Tiokill guy showed up out of nowhere and began spouting Sanji wank.
 
Probably.

I have a horrible feeling that Zoro will roflstomp him into next month, but assuming Oda gives Kaku a chance (since Kaku is popular with fans):

  • Base Kaku will probably be comparable to 3-sword Zoro (may need Rokushiki/Yontoryu, although Yontoryu is technically Rokushiki)
  • Hybrid Kaku will equal Buso Zoro, which mind you was overwhelming Buso+Imperial Flame King in the last part of their fight
Well if we look at Luffy vs Lucci, it went like this:
Luffy effortlessly dodges his attacks
Lucci clashes for a second
Gets sent flying.
Comes back, hits Sentomaru, and gets sent flying and knocked out again.
Zoro vs Kaku shouldn't be much different, 2 of those events have been fulfilled already:
Zoro easily blocks his attack
They clash for a second
____
Kaku is probably gonna be defeated easily and that's probably the same for the other agents.
Or maybe he fights Brook while Zoro cooks Lucci and they eat him then go back to sleep handles Lucci.
 
Tiokill was a GodlyCharmander sock.
I know. I just liked his 2nd username better.
If only I knew exactly which databook that was from so I could actually add the statement to their profiles...
We got that problem too for some profiles where they say,-"The databook says this & that"-yet the page doesn't even mention the name of the databook.
 
I always respected GodlyCharmander, but he broke the rules.

And was a bit...abrasive at times, to say the least.

Should've known something was up when this Tiokill guy showed up out of nowhere and began spouting Sanji wank.
Tbh, I heard he lashed out at AKM and that's what got him clapped by the mods, but if you ask me rank shouldn't matter... It's still disrespect no matter who you do it to. But, his ban was still pretty valid if those claims were true.
I suggest that y'all just treat everybody as your equal, you never know what they go through, and the fact that they're still here right now means they've got as strong a will as your's, if not more..
That's my view on that topic. Though I don't think we should talk about it for much longer as to not stir controversy.
We got that problem too for some profiles where they say,-"The databook says this & that"-yet the page doesn't even mention the name of the databook.
We should bring that up in a CRT.
 
Never because he was invisible.
This is my take on that
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Also, again, you never mention the fact that Sanji was still clapping Absalom despite both not even having Observation pre ts. Invisibility isn't a huge problem especially when King can just hide, use Flame-On mode to get extra durable, or spam fire attacks in every direction.
 
I think we should just accept that invisibility (science) is based off the invisibility fruit just how swim swim was replicated.

Because so far it doesn't seem like anyone can sense invisible characters in One Piece, despite being able to see with their eyes closed. King/Queen couldn't sense invisible Sanji. Neither could PageOne.
Doffy couldn't sense Absalom
No one could sense Vegapunk when he went invisible
Sanji couldn't sense invisible Queen either
And idk if Moria has observation, but he couldn't sense invisible Shiryu

It seems like invisibility in One Piece, if (and more than likely) based off the fruit, just hides your presence entirely.
 
This is literally just headcanon lmao.
you never mention the fact that Sanji was still clapping Absalom despite both not even having Observation pre ts
Sanji threw salt in Absalom's around the area which happened to laind in his mouth. This allowed Sanji to know where he was, as Absalom revealed his location by speaking. Otherwise, he wouldn't have known his location as shown here and here. The only reason Sanji was able to locate and defeat Absalom was because of the blood leaking from him from Sanji's earlier assaults, which he saw dripping and took advantage of by grabbing him.

Invisibility isn't a huge problem especially when King can just hide
Queen has observation haki.
use Flame-On mode to get extra durable
Lasers have durability negation properties.
spam fire attacks in every direction
Queen has heat resistance, and he could also just dodge.
 
King's Imperial Flames are a way better ranged weapon, those things burned Zoro who has incredibly high heat resistance.

He could also just blitz Queen combined with superior AP, or spam his Zoan Danmaku which easily cut through Queen's hide.

Queen has next to no real advantages in this fight.

King can also easily dodge the lazers.
 
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burned Zoro who has incredibly high heat resistance
Greater heat resistance than Queen?
spam his Zoan Danmaku
Queen could easily counter this with his own danmaku.
easily cut through Queen's hide
Regen
King can also easily dodge the lazers.
Then what? He would just keep dodging and get tired out just like Sanji did. King has shown lackluster stamina, so it would happen rather quickly.
 
Greater heat resistance than Queen?
On the same level
Queen could easily counter this with his own danmaku.
King would strike faster and earlier due to superior speed
If his neck is cut he's not regenerating, and his regen isn't that good to start with.
Then what? He would just keep dodging and get tired out just like Sanji did. King has shown lackluster stamina, so it would happen rather quickly.
King only got exhausted when Zoro hit him with 2 Haoshoku attacks
 
On the same level
Proof?
If his neck is cut he's not regenerating
Doubt it.
regen isn't that good to start with.
Yes it is???
King only got exhausted when Zoro hit him with 2 Haoshoku attacks
After taking 2 hits that did damage. Queen has much greater stamina and so does Sanji and yet Sanji quickly got exhausted after continuously having to deal with never ending laser showers.
 
You might as well just make a King vs Queen and debate there since it's basically a whole thing now
 
You might as well just make a King vs Queen and debate there since it's basically a whole thing now
People are just going to FRA Oda's statement of King being stronger despite it being proven over and over again in One Piece that matchups play a role as well and it's not always 1 to 1. Overall King is stronger than Queen, but in a match, I'd say Queen has the advantage because his arsenal basically counters King's moveset.

Not worth it.
 
What's stopping King from throwing his fire around like Sanji did with the salt against Absalom?
 
This is literally just headcanon lmao.

Sanji threw salt in Absalom's around the area which happened to laind in his mouth. This allowed Sanji to know where he was, as Absalom revealed his location by speaking. Otherwise, he wouldn't have known his location as shown here and here. The only reason Sanji was able to locate and defeat Absalom was because of the blood leaking from him from Sanji's earlier assaults, which he saw dripping and took advantage of by grabbing him.


Queen has observation haki.

Lasers have durability negation properties.

Queen has heat resistance, and he could also just dodge.
Queen's observation is doodoo water from what I've heard.
Bold to assume King can't dodge the lasers
Queen has heat resistance but he was still burnt by Sanji.
Also I never said that image wasn't headcanon, it was just my speculations.
 
Queen's observation is doodoo water from what I've heard.
"From what I've heard"

And what did the voices in your head use as proof?
Bold to assume King can't dodge the lasers
No one said he couldn't? I quite literally brought up how he'd doge them similarly to Sanji but quickly run out of stamina much quicker than Sanji did which would allow Queen to hit with with a Germa combo.
Queen has heat resistance but he was still burnt by Sanji.
Yeah, because Sanji has hotter heat that King?
Also I never said that image wasn't headcanon, it was just my speculations.
So then don't use it in a debate.
 
"From what I've heard"

And what did the voices in your head use as proof?
Alright Sherlock. Gimme examples of him using Observation.
No one said he couldn't? I quite literally brought up how he'd doge them similarly to Sanji but quickly run out of stamina much quicker than Sanji did which would allow Queen to hit with with a Germa combo.
I doubt he'd run out of stamina that easily. Dude was able to fight Marco with Queen's assistance, then 1 on 1, come out relatively fine then go on to fighting Zoro for some tens of minutes, before finally being defeated.
Yeah, because Sanji has hotter heat that King?
Yeah which is why King's was compared to Magma ( which overpowered even Ace's fruit through some type of black magic and perforated Jinbe, Whitebeard, etc. ) while Sanji can't put a hole in a fat dinosaur with his heat.
 
Alright Sherlock. Gimme examples of him using Observation.
Give me examples of King using Observation lmao
I doubt he'd run out of stamina that easily.
He literally would. He got gassed after taking to hits from Zoro.
Dude was able to fight Marco with Queen's assistance
King fought Marco with Queen for half a chapter. He then off-screened Marco and destroyed him.
Yeah which is why King's was compared to Magma
Zoro said it was "like" magma. In what way? This could very well be the same way as Zoro said King's Imperial Tempura Udon is "like a laser". Do we know give that attack light speed, dura neg, and heat? No. They're not actually those things, just similar in a way. For King's Imperial Flames they clearly aren't physically like fire. Just look at them.
 
Give me examples of King using Observation lmao
Sensing the power in Zoro's attacks and perceiving them.
He literally would. He got gassed after taking to hits from Zoro.
Which again, was after he did all that previously. Not to mention Zoro's AP > Queen's, so that makes sense.
King fought Marco with Queen for half a chapter. He then off-screened Marco and destroyed him.
We don't know how his battle with Marco went. But if he really did whoop him, it definitely puts him over Queen since Marco was boxing with Queen easily.
Zoro said it was "like" magma. In what way? This could very well be the same way as Zoro said King's Imperial Tempura Udon is "like a laser". Do we know give that attack light speed, dura neg, and heat? No. They're not actually those things, just similar in a way. For King's Imperial Flames they clearly aren't physically like fire. Just look at them.
Tempura Udon, being a Flame Off attack, focuses on speed.
Being compared to a laser in that context means your speed was almost light speed.
King's fire obviously focuses on heat. Thus, Zoro comparing it to magma means the heat was akin to that of magma.
Further backed by King feeling confident that it'd kill Zoro compared to his regular heat which Zoro blocked with Armament.
 
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