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One Piece General Discussion: Elbaph
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I think
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Shoutout to @KochengPutih for this but the idea that devil fruit users only have "limited" water weakness should be looked into.
It's pretty obvious that the One Piece earth's mother nature (as mother nature in OP is the sea) hates the devil fruits specifically for being evolutions that don't belong in it, this doesn't mean other verses' water should effect them anymore, only mother nature in their verse.
We're probably gonna get more lore about it from void century stuff but still- that's sounding like a verse-specific weakness now.
It's pretty obvious that the One Piece earth's mother nature (as mother nature in OP is the sea) hates the devil fruits specifically for being evolutions that don't belong in it, this doesn't mean other verses' water should effect them anymore, only mother nature in their verse.
We're probably gonna get more lore about it from void century stuff but still- that's sounding like a verse-specific weakness now.
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Good, so we can have them fight in the sea in other verses if necessary.
Any new verse matches btw?
Any new verse matches btw?
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If the weakness being specific to OP's mother nature/water is accepted, then yeah. Other verses' bodies of water should not bother them (unless they can't swim beforehand aka LUFFY)
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Yeah if the oceans of other verse doesn't act the same way as the one from the OP verse, then it likely has no effect on the DF users.
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Once Base/Hybrid Lucci gets some scaling then I'll make some Lucci fights (like Zoro, King, Marco, and Yamato).
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If anything we should unironically grant One Piece's ocean powernull/stamina manip kek
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Non canon
What? Why?
From the way oda said it, it's from normal water
You talking about new info or??
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Would quirk users get nulled? Mmm, likely not since it came natural to them...
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Egghead arc stuff.
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Egghead island devil fruit lore reveal
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In the One Piece verse's water specifically any "genetic" power that doesn't belong in the world through humanity's regular advancements (aka science) is hated by the ocean, so.. technically yeah. Quirk users are genetic evolutions just like devil fruit abilities after all.
Though it sounds like anything "unnatural" to OP World's nature is negged by the ocean
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Hopefully we get a further explanation eventually.
DaMonkeMan
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Y'know sometimes people mock me for having no restraint verbally but the fact I let you wank Lucci like this and don't bother even trying to correct you means I clearly do have control.
Unfortunately that's just Vegapunk's theory but it has a lot of support.
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The theory of a dude who read all the void century books though.
But yeah if this gets confirmed in Elbaf we gotta have that weakness removed for a lot of verses
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What did I do?
I just said I wanted to make some fights against people that I personally feel are on his level
DaMonkeMan
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I mean the Marco fight seems like a good match
Others aren't very uh... fair.
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If Lucci has at least one wincon, it still valid.
He can at least use Rokugan to bypass King's durability.
Yamato...yeah, even I feel this one is in Yamato's favor. She took 5 enraged Hao-Infused Hybrid hits and was relatively fine.
Zoro one could at least be fun.
DaMonkeMan
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Blackbeard always runs from random people. Also, that was after they had a short scuffle with the Revs, makes sense that they'd run.
If CP0 could take attacks from Blackbeard and hurt him then their best agent ( Lucci ) wouldn't get knocked out by 3 miniscule G5 attacks lol.
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Luffy G5>>>Blackbeard though
He honestly does not have super impressive feats yet
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Who says Lucci was the best CP0 agent?
DaMonkeMan
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Sure, but Luffy was just using the transformation, he didn't do anything but simply punch Lucci which knocked him out.
And do you really think a regular Dawn Whip is above a ( possibly Haki Infused ) Quake Fist?
DaMonkeMan
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Uh.. Wasn't that one of your arguments for his skill feats in that Sanji vs Lucci thread? That he was a prodigy and the best agent blah blah blah
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Best Cp9 agent, not Cp0.
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Also, unfortunately, while Lucci's vivre card did say that he has repeatedly fought the Revolutionary army, it doesn't say which revolutionary members he fought, so we unfortunately can't say he fought the ones who Issho and Greenbull fought (like Sabo)
Same with CP0 vs Blackbeard's army (although Lucci is a mask-wearing CP0 agent so he is one of the elites).
Same with CP0 vs Blackbeard's army (although Lucci is a mask-wearing CP0 agent so he is one of the elites).
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I mean, if they really did hurt Issho and Greenbull and even gave them a run for their money, I don't see CP0 messing with them. So he couldn't have fought those members, at least not all at once.
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Well of course not all at once.
DaMonkeMan
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Still wondering how strong Lindberg is, he's the most interesting for me besides Sabo and Dragon. I mean, he's a Mink, Scientist, Armament and Observation user, etc.
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Yeah, but we have no idea how much of his theory is being based on what was there + we have no idea what exactly is in these books and if it even talks about the DFs.
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Yep. It's why we're not trying to implement abstract existence for DFs, or the ocean weakness being specific, yet-
Waiting on actual lore that isn't his 'theory' for now.
Even though Oda himself said that the devil fruit secrets will be revealed when Vegapunk appears, so this could be what the author spoke about.
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Yeah, also, i think his theory will not have that much to do with the VC btw, cause if he is right then DFs should be as old as dreams (human or not), so it doesn't really make much sense for them to start appear only 900 years ago.
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There's really no proof they only appeared 900 years ago, though.
Also the terms used for "all things" when describing devil fruits' and how they're brought by imagination is the same japanese word for "voice of all things" so their existence into the world can be through some sort of haki relation/discovery. Powerful humans with great haki concentrations making abstract things a reality through willpower
Like tot musica
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Yes, which is my point, i think Ohara's remaining books and even the Poneglyphs themselves don't have much info on the DFs, as they likely were a normal thing from thousands of years before the VC.
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It's an ability called "Bullshit Oda Writing"Ayo, damn near a year later I ask again
Tf would this fall under as an ability
Is this just AP? Biological manipulation? Matter manip? That mf got cut so clean he could put himself back together again a while after being cut right in half.
