One Piece General Discussion: Egghead

[MonkeyOfLife]

This is false.

the manga is different, we see her standing and only her head going backwards while trying to resist

She has no visible or implied injuries.

She screams/made noise from pain.

The floor is made of wood.

Doesn't matter

Have to disagree, but I won't dredge on it.

Absolutely insane.

 

[ByAsura]

the manga is different, we see her standing and only her head going backwards

It's not. Ulti's position relative to the floor isn't shown in that part of the panel, meaning the shot is literally just this from a different angle.

while trying to resist

Head canon.

She screams.

She goes 'eek'.

Doesn't matter

Your point about the floor being broken doesn't matter.

Absolutely insane.

I'd get it if Arlong used both hands in the slash or if Luffy did this by grabbing the edge of the blade, but this is just blocking a weapon from a character comparable to yourself.

Anyway, I'm done with this.

 

[Fireld]

Head canon.

Y'all can use your imaginations from here on out.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I'd get it if Arlong used both hands in the slash or if Luffy did this by grabbing the edge of the blade, but this is just blocking a weapon from a character comparable to yourself.

luffy = sitting, holding the sword in place with a disadvantageous grip not struggling at all

Arlong = has a full grip, standing and he trying his hardest to move it (Arlong is shaking, Luffy is not)

ABSOLUTELY INSANE how you can look at that and say that.

Head canon.

It's shown, you're just ignoring it (Her head is the only thing going backwards in that scan as well until she gets thrown in the next panel)

She goes 'eek'.

(Girl screams or scream that gets muted upon impact)
きゃ!!! / きや!!! = Aah!!!, Kiya!!!, Kya!!! (Literally is き=ki や=ya!!!)

Your point about the floor being broken doesn't matter.

If you understood what I was saying, yes it would.

 

[ByAsura]

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Actually, my bad on this one. My tired ass brain and mandela mind registered the scene as Luffy having pierced the blade in order to catch it, but he does catch it on the edge at first like I said he didn't previously.

Her head is the only thing going backwards in that scan as well

You literally can't see her legs or the curvature of her back due to the cape, and there's no objects in the background to show Luffy's position relative to the ground. How are you making this assessment?

until she gets thrown in the next panel

She is already on the ground in that panel.

(Girl screams or scream that gets muted upon impact)
きゃ!!! / きや!!! = Aah!!!, Kiya!!!, Kya!!! (Literally is き=ki や=ya!!!)

Fair enough.

Assuming a scream exclusively indicates pain, I guess this is enough to say that they can hurt each other.

If you understood what I was saying, yes it would.

Then make the point actually clear. What does breaking the floor mean for Luffy's slam?

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

You literally can't see her legs or the curvature of her back due to the cape. How are you making this assessment?

her back hair exists as well, the cloud rotating thingy is only on the head (the next panel shows the big cloud rotating thingy which signifies her body) (Or you can tell via luffy's body which he does a full 180 and only her head is backwards otherwise her legs would be in the air in that panel, luffy's hands are still behind his own head, meaning he still hasn't actually flung her yet, which shows in the next panel luffy rotating forward and the cloud rotating from her body)

She is already on the ground in that panel.

You can see the "flinging" mark where luffy's hands are at, meaning he just threw her

Fair enough. But a scream doesn't exclusively indicate pain.

But this one just does, page one was also worried for her, even when he could sense/know luffy being completely fine from her attacks while the other fodders couldn't

Then make the point actually clear.

I really don't have/need to... I expect people to use their own common sense. I'm not here to win some sort of debate or something, I'm just giving you things that will possibly eventually come to a conclusion where you understand everything near perfectly or enough to where you would understand why it would matter

the point is... If you are resisting something and it still flings you backwards, it means You < the flinging... If you resist something and it still flings you backwards so hard and fast to where it destroys your surroundings (first feat < second feat) (Rough example of what I mean in terms of fighting, though retsu resists the flinging and flings the other person because he's much stronger)

Magic

 

[ByAsura]

her back hair exists as well

Same thing happens to her hair in the anime at this point.

the cloud rotating thingy is only on the head

What even is that cloud thing supposed to be? Maybe it's because I haven't re-read Whole Cake to Wano in a while, but I don't remember clouds being non-environmental/from heat sources, like they are in the very next panel.

You can see the "flinging" mark where luffy's hands are at, meaning he just threw her

You can see that Luffy's arms are stretched this scene and he's bent forward, meaning he flung her away from himself in this scene, as opposed to flipping her around his own body by her horns, which is what he does/is doing in the previous panel.

But this one just does, page one was also worried for her, even when he could sense/know luffy being completely fine from her attacks while the other fodders couldn't

And she's shown to be virtually unaffected right afterwards, which a normal Zoan transformation wouldn't be responsible for. Clearly whatever pain she did experience is negligible, and Page One is just concerned for her due to being her brother.

If you resist something and it still flings you backwards so hard and fast to where it destroys your surroundings (first feat < second feat)

Ok, so I'm going to ignore the all that and assume your point is that it means this happens pretty quickly? Sure, fair enough, still means nothing.

I'm not here to win some sort of debate or something, I'm just giving you things that will possibly eventually come to a conclusion where you understand everything near perfectly or enough to where you would understand why it would matter

The conclusion I've come to, through facts and logic that don't care about your feelings, is that they're relative and the profile needs some tweaking. I'll get onto that.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

Same thing happens to her hair in the anime.

Man, the anime is soo weird, it looks like her body rotates twice in two different scenes... If we going of off anime then yee sure it doesn't really show her resisting but the manga goes from just the head with luffy vertical and then he rotates around 90 degrees forward to fling and rotate her full body

What even is that cloud thing supposed to be? Maybe it's because I haven't re-read Whole Cake to Wano in a while, but I don't remember clouds being non-environmental/from heat sources, like they are in the very next panel.

They are basically the aftereffects of their movements... Kinda like creating sonics booms but differently (Like when you run past smoke and it follows you, I realized it was signifying luffy rotations first, not her head, then next panel shows ulti rotating

You can see that Luffy's arms are stretched this scene and he's bent forward, meaning he flung her away from himself in this scene, as opposed to flipping her around his own body by her horns.

Hmm?

And she's shown to be virtually unaffected right afterwards, which a normal Zoan transformation wouldn't be responsible for. Clearly whatever pain she did experience is negligible, and Page One is just concerned for her due to being her brother.

the texts still implies her getting hurt... And not just by a bit

Ok, so I'm going to ignore the all the waffling, and assume your point is that it means this happens pretty quickly? Sure, fair enough, still means nothing.

No...

 

[ByAsura]

Man, the anime is soo weird, it looks like her body rotates twice in two different scenes... If we going of off anime then yee sure it doesn't really show her resisting but the manga goes from just the head with luffy vertical and then he rotates around 90 degrees forward to fling and rotate her full body

I guess I can kind of concede to your point that it's inconsistent.

I'm making a small revision thread on Ulti and some other characters, so I'll just keep it a bit more vague there.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I mean the implications they show is Base Luffy > Base Ulti (But she is not to be underestimated) and then shows luffy overwhelming her in her hybrid while being more serious... Her in zoan with lifting strength against luffy being basically stuck in the air leaves him at a big disadvantageous position so that is way more vague how she actually measures up to luffy's lifting but I think at minimum she should still be under/relative to his lifting strength probably

 

[ByAsura]

She'll still be relative.

 

[MonkeyOfLife]

I swear I always get into these annoying anime discussions when I'm tired af, my eyes bleeding and my head having snoop dogg smoking inside