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One Piece: Gear 2nd Luffy Revision
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Fine
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Should we include a rating for base Luffy with Buso? He was able to do somewhat comparable damage to overdosed Hody as Gear 2nd (plus some feats against Doffy)
Edit: just realised regular Base Luffy is scaling to Overdosed Body's rating, so if we scale Overdosed Hody to Gear 2nd's rating what happens to Base Luffy?
Edit: just realised regular Base Luffy is scaling to Overdosed Body's rating, so if we scale Overdosed Hody to Gear 2nd's rating what happens to Base Luffy?
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Wait, Robin's attack was strong enough to break a few of Transformed Monet's fangs off, and her fangs are strong enough to clash with Tashigi's haki-imbued sword. So why is Robin scaling below Monet and Tashigi?
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Definitely wouldn't say comparable damage to Overdosed Hody as Gear 2nd. Gear 2nd while injured knocked him across the ocean and made it hard for him to breathe. Base with Haki knocked him into cliffs.
Luffy's feats on Doffy were a really weakened Doflamingo. Even Doffy said his G2nd hits had no weight
We're not scaling Hody to G2nd. We're just saying G3rd did more damage to Monster than G2nd did to Overdosed.
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If we're not scaling Hody to gear 2nd how would the multiplier apply to Gear third?
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G3rd did more damage to Monster Hody than G2nd did to Overdosed Hody.
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See, now we can't even do that, cause then it's some shit in logic that won't work.
Unless we amp the pill multiplier, we can't do it, since before G2nd scaled unquantifiably above base
Unless we amp the pill multiplier, we can't do it, since before G2nd scaled unquantifiably above base
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Maybe I'm wrong but that doesn't seem to justify a multiplier for it, just that Gear Third is stronger than Gear second by a lot.
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It makes more sense but we don't accept it.
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This isn't really valid; just breaking apart a Logia.
Robin could also break Aokiji into pieces but she obviously doesn't scale to Aokiji.
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But why not?
For Fairy Tail, we accept a 4x multiplier for things like Fire Dragon King Mode Natsu and Alegria form Mirajane because they did more damage to Spriggan-tier opponents than Dragon Force Gajeel did (and Dragon Force is a >=4x multiplier like the 2 steroid pills were for Hody).
I see next to no difference.
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A lesson.
Stop comparing verses.
No.
Those scale above other forms who have statements of multiplication in power who scale above 4x amps.
Gear 3rd has no multiplier statement. All it does have is feats of hurting people.
Those people scale above their own multipliers.
This is essentially trying to make someone 500 Megatons for 1 shotting someone who's 100 Megatons because they did more damage in comparison to a weaker form not one shotting a version that's ~27 Megatons
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Huh? I think maybe you're misunderstanding me. I agree with you that Robin shouldn't scale to Monet for just breaking her body apart. But when she broke Monet's body apart she broke off a few of Transformed Monet's fangs, which were strong enough to clash with Tashigi's haki-imbued sword without breaking. That's why I asked Tempest my question in the first place.
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I swear to god Essesso, you pull this shit one more time and you’ll face my wrath
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You mean I haven't faced it already?
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Also @KingTempest , what will Gear 3 scale to, then?
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unquantifiably higher than g2nd
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Well that's disappointing.
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Same except we remove the "Gear 2nd+Busoshoku Haki" parts
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One more thing about the Gear 3rd scaling:
So if Gear 2nd damaged something with a durability of, say, 20 points, but Gear 3rd did clearly more damage to something with a durability of >= 80 points, shouldn't that be valid for evidence of Gear 3rd being >= 4x Gear 2nd?
I mean, that's basically the reasoning we're using for people scaling to 2-4 times gear 2nd who do more damage to people on 1-2 steroids than Gear 2nd Luffy did to those same people when they weren't on steroids (like Hyouzou and Wadatsumi).
Also, a support for this is how the energy steroids are AT LEAST a 2x multiplier each (so 2x is just the minimum), as stated in a recent CRT on Hyouzou's AP and how it backscales from his steroid buff
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No if Hody’s dura is 5 points.
The difference is that those people don’t get hurt (Hyouzou, Wadatsumi’s tooth was broken)
Multiplying someone’s dura and scaling off of that is completely different than scaling off multiplied AP.
There’s no minimum. It’s only 2x. They say it’s a 2x
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I'll tenatively agree to that.
I think I understand that.
Then why was Base Hyouzou's ap put at "at most 1/4" of his AP with 2 steroids (which each double his AP, so a total 4x multiplier)?
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At most for the amount he ate, not the multiplier of an individual steroid. Hyouzou ate at least two steroids.
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I need Luffy unlocked
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I unlocked his profile.
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Bartolomeo's profile & Gladius' durability also need updating, sorry if the editing is still in progress.
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Thank you
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Everything is done, the profile can be locked now
Thank you, closing
Thank you, closing
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