Okey vs You're too slow!

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Naugus is not 4D tho, so I don't think that would work? I dunno, someone can correct me on that one.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I'll let the people on Sonic's side argue a bit more before deciding if their votes can be counted or not.

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Yeah, that seems fair.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Nah, Naugus isn't 4D. But it still effected a 2-A, which Ness lower on the scale.

I haven't really seen Power Rings effecting Time. Unless the ability to age Amy Rose up a couple more years counts.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

That just sounds like age manipulation.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Then no. I know Power Rings were in part created by the Chaos Emerald, who can effect 4D beings, but I don't recall Power Rings themselves effecting time in the comic.

 

[ElixirBlue]

They can block (or negate) Naugus's magic completely.

 

[Theuser789]

Sonic FRA

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

bruh, that should not count

Could someone at least answer my questions before we even spam mindles FRA's?

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

Both involve affecting the mind. Brainwashing not be the "type" Ness uses doesn't mean anything when the effect of having the mind being manipulated is what's being resisted.

It actually does, especially since Ness can affect beings without brains with his mind hax, Sonic doesn't show that kind of resistance on his profile.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

This is really wanking that Nigh-Omniscience of Ness.
A Low 2-C's Nigh-Omniscience means jack shit against a fate hax that affected an omnipresent type 4 acausal 2-A.

Prove the type 4 acausal 2-A is nigh-omniscience or you can't call it wank. Intelligence doesn't mean much to tier, I don't know why you're trying to correlate them.

 

[NotAMarioFan(lol)]

Inconclusive both have decent fatehax but not op fatehax

 

[Sadistic_Sleuth]

Ness fra

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Inconclusive both have decent fatehax but not op fatehax

I mean I guess incon is valid? Ness actually has win cons tho.

Btw 3 for Ness

 

[Christian_Higdon]

Ness FRA.

 

[Kriskirby]

Psshh I was waiting for this to happen

Ness FRA

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

@Giver

>considering Sonic beat Lavos and fatehax can affect him.Idk where you're getting that nigh omniscience provides resistance to Fatehax it honestly sounds like wanking of Ness's abilities.

>Luke Skywalker can mindhax robots with no minds and Sonic beat him because that degree of mindhax is galactic in range while Sonic has a 2-A resistance.If it doesn't have 2-A range it's not doing anything to Sonic.Like Shadow said Sonic's mind has 2-A resistance

>Fatehax will do it's best to make Sonic win the match making it difficult for Ness to incap as proven with Sonic vs Lavos.I and as shown it can affect Nigh Omniscient beings.

>Once Sonic realizes he can't physically harm or damage Ness with his hax he would use the wishing power of the rings.Nate Morgan taught Sonic all about the rings and he w may not lead with them but he's definitely capable of knowing how it use them.Also usually when we see Sonic with a power ring he uses it.

>The power rings are created from chaos energy which is 4-D so it's going to affect Ness.The rings have 2-A hax due to this.Also Sonic has delt with omnipresent beings before.

>Both Sonic and Ness have wincons but Sonic's is easier to pull off.As Ness will have a difficult time trying to incap after he realizes he can't kill Sonic due to fatehax.That give Sonic more than enough time to use the Rings especially since Sonic's other hax can't hurt Ness.

 

[ElixirBlue]

If Super Sonic was used, Sonic more likely got the win, as Super Sonic can defeat/affect 4D beings. And not just because the tier is higher.

But Base Archie Sonic has dealt with time... twice, I wanna say. But those times he used one-time equipment, like the Super Emerald or whatever Rotor did in Mobius 25 years later.

 

[ShadowWarrior1999]

It actually does, especially since Ness can affect beings without brains with his mind hax, Sonic doesn't show that kind of resistance on his profile.

Affecting beings without brains has nothing to do with potency. That's not remotely how mindhax works, you need to have mindhax that is stronger than what the opponent resisted in order to mindhax them.

Plus Ness doesn't even have mindhax.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

>Super Sonic isn't being used so why bring him up?

>The rings are 4-D as they're made of Chaos Energy which derives from the Chaos Emeralds.Chaos energy can hurt Enernjak and Mogul who are 4-D.

 

[ElixirBlue]

Why are we talking about MindHax if Sonic or Ness doesn't have them?

 

[ElixirBlue]

>The rings are 4-D as they're made of Chaos Energy which derives from the Chaos Emeralds.Chaos energy can hurt Enernjak and Mogul who are 4-D.

Hm. I'm really not liking the assumptions when it comes to this. I thought we were only using in story abilities. As in, in story, if the Rings were shown to affect time.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Why are we talking about MindHax if Sonic or Ness doesn't have them?

>Giver keeps using them as a reason why Ness wins.

>It's not an asssumption as Mogul and Enerjak are affected by Sonic's hax which derive from chaos energy just like the power rings derive from chaos energy.The Chaos Force is inherently 4-D.I don't wanna explain this again.

 

[ElixirBlue]

I know it's not an assumption that Mogul and Enerjak are affected by the FateHax. I also know Base Sonic physically touched Enerjak and knocked his helmet off before Enerjak got a little depowered.

I saying it's an assumption the standard Power Rings can affect 4D beings and Time. The assumption is made because they were created by the Chaos Emeralds but I'm wondering in consideration of the threads that use in story examples to determine what a character is capable of.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Again......the Power Rings derive from the literal source of 4-D energy in Archie Sonic.It's a huge assumption to assume they aren't 4-D if anything.

 

[DatOneWeeb]

I would like to say, Ness incaps in-character.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

He seems like the character to not wanna kill right off the bat tbh.

Anyway,how does Ness preform his incap?

 

[ElixirBlue]

Would the Theuser789 like to say anything?

 

[DatOneWeeb]

By sleep manipulation or just by damaging them until the opponent is no longer able to fight.

 

[Theuser789]

Anything OvO

But I agree with Oblvion

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

Is his sleep manip a profectile or....

 

[DatOneWeeb]

No, it's mind based...literally.

 

[ElixirBlue]

So, are we saying the Power Rings are Chaos Emeralds? That where the conversation sounds like it's going to.

 

[Oblivion_Lightning]

This is getting really annoying.....

Powers Rings and Chaos Emeralds are from the same source of power that makes them 4-D.The Chaos Force is 4-D.

 

[GiverOfThePeace]

snip

Are you seriously comitting an appeal to authority and agruing that because he won in a subjective vs thread against Lavos it works? How about simply the person in that thread didn't argue that for Lavos? Even then, I never contested fate hax not working on Ness I said the CIS portion of it won't work. You're strawmanning my claims.

Luke Skywalker can do that because he has potent mind hax, and where on that profile does it say he beat Luke? Once again you're trying to use a vs thread to prove your point when vs threads are subjective.

By the time Sonic realizes that Ness is incapping him. Especially now since you've admitted via this claim that power rings isn't his go-to hax.

Didn't deny nor contest the power ring wouldn't affect Ness.

Sonic's isn't easier to pull off since he needs to realize he can't physically harm Ness while Ness just thinks.

 

[The_Coolest_Water_Bottle]

Ness FRA.

 

[Jjmil3827]

Sonic FRA

 

[Shikieiki_Yamaxandu]

Ness FRA

 

[TheQuirkyBoy]

Grace

Ness: 7

Sonic: 2 (3?)

Inconclusive: 2

 

[Quibster]

Ness FRA