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Odin 3-b ?

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Also, contradiction is a part of how Marvel fundamentally works. We have to try our best to find approximations.
 
By the by, shouldn't the Abrahamic God in Marvel also get a 2C ranking, considering how his Archangel Uriel is equal to Mephisto and should logically be far above him, considering how he appears omnipotent to his followers and creations.
 
I suppose that 2-C seems reasonable, yes.
 
@Ant

The edits are done. The only thing left is the Phoenix Force's Multiversal incarnation getting a High 1-B key that you guys talked about above. I didn't do anything about that because I'm not sure what the justification should be worded as.

I'd also maybe recommend editing Dormammu's justification to mention that when he actually challenged Eternity with his full power in Strange Tales 146, Eternity turned out to be just fine and had easily banished Dormammu, despite Doctor Strange thinking otherwise at the time.
 
Okay. Thank you very much for the help.

Just to clarify, you changed the 3-B profiles scaled from Odin to 2-C, Galactus, the Celestials, and the universal abstracts to "At least 2-C", and left the cosmic cubes alone for the time being, correct?
 
Yes. While I'm pretty sure the Cosmic Cubes are above the Skyfathers I don't have any scans to prove it right now so I didn't do anything with them.
 
Okay. Thanks again for your help.

I will lock the pages then.

Can you ask Matthew to comment here about the multiversal Phoenix Force and the cosmic cubes?
 
Never mind. I asked Matthew for help.
 
Well, Odin does legitimately have a few 2-C feats.

What do you think we should do about the Phoenix Force?
 
But Reed Richards used the Cosmic Cube to defeat Doctor Doom with Galactus' power and the later defeated Odin with ease..
 
Hmm. That would be a good point for "At least 2-C". Can you link to the story at ***************.to?
 
Then again, it might not have been Galactus at well-fed power.
 
@Matthew

Should we scale the Cosmic Cubes from Galactus based on the above story? It is considerably more prominent and recent than the mostly ignored obscure Kosmos and Kubik story in which it is claimed that the Celestials are orders of infinity above them.
 
PRIDEXEGO said:
2-A Is still a big stretch for galactus as he never described as the threat to multiverse or ever destroyed one accoding to vswiiki coie antimonitor was a 2-a being i dont think galactus is on that level only life bringer galactus can be said 2-a or the one with ultimate nullfire
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well there is this train wreck to scale

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this might cuse some havoc but im not gona be around for it

Soooo have fun guys
 
Sorry for the long post... This isn't a rant, just some questions . I remember Schroeder stated 2-A/High 1-B Universal Abstracts was pure wank ( I get doubts on the Tier 1 part... Which does have a lot of support.... But I thought 2-A was obvious ) ... Can I ask on what basis ? One, he was the first one who said they could be 2-A in the first place... Quite a few times, even more recently during the last month or so.


Secondly... They have a lot of supporting feats, from obscure to canon representations. Secondly, I've been studying these instances down to their very core and even made a comprehensive blog explaining it all... And no one has taken the time to even look at it completely ... Yet calls it wank.

Thirdly... If you guys believe inconsistency is the foundation of Marvel (Ant stated this in a thread a few days ago) ... Which I agree with... Shouldn't you he assimilating ALL the comics and check for some form of consistency amongst all of them... Not just nitpicking through the comics for the the recent ones ?
 
The 2nd Existential Seed said:
Sorry for the long post... This isn't a rant, just some questions .
I remember Schroeder stated 2-A/High 1-B Universal Abstracts was pure wank ( I get doubts on the Tier 1 part... Which does have a lot of support.... But I thought 2-A was obvious ) ... Can I ask on what basis ? One, he was the first one who said they could be 2-A in the first place... Quite a few times, even more recently during the last month or so.


Secondly... They have a lot of supporting feats, from obscure to canon representations. Secondly, I've been studying these instances down to their very core and even made a comprehensive blog explaining it all... And no one has taken the time to even look at it completely ... Yet calls it wank.

Thirdly... If you guys believe inconsistency is the foundation of Marvel (Ant stated this in a thread a few days ago) ... Which I agree with... Shouldn't you he assimilating ALL the comics and check for some form of consistency amongst all of them... Not just nitpicking through the comics for the the recent ones ?
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dude multieternity and such are already at high1-b and their is a reason why the other verision of them are called universal abstract they cant be 2-a because that will make the high multiversal and that will also means that that in each universe the absract are high multiversal or above if you beleive that then what is the need of multieternity then ? since each universal abstract are already high1-b/2-a as per you.Universal abstract can easily be surpassed by some celestials, even dormmamu manged to merged with universal aspect of eternity they are not that strong at all "atleast 2-c" is where i think they should be.
 
@PRIDE I can understand your strong opinions... But please provide evidence for it being their limit when it was shown quite the opposite that it isn't . And yes the Universal Abstracts can be 2-A/High 1-B and the Multiversal abstract still serve a function . Because so far you are rattling off "they can't be this powerful because I believe so" rather than strong evidence of it not being so through the comics.

And I never said "each" . I was mainly referring to the 616 Universal Abstracts , which are the more commonly used and the ones likely to get that tier regardless if accepted.
 
"Thirdly... If you guys believe inconsistency is the foundation of Marvel (Ant stated this in a thread a few days ago) ... Which I agree with... Shouldn't you he assimilating ALL the comics and check for some form of consistency amongst all of them... Not just nitpicking through the comics for the the recent ones ?"

That would be very difficult and would take extremely long time to do. Unlike characters there's no source listing all the issues for every cosmetology feat stated, the closest way I can see to finding any new statements is to go through all the appearances of any cosmic related being. I'm sure there would be a way to track the issues of scans we currently have though to the comics they were stated in, even if it's just the scan alone to go by.
 
Ercosore said:
Weren´t five cosmic cubes able to damage normal eternity at one point?
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Only universal Eternity, but good point. They placed him in a coma. Perhaps we could scale them from that and overpowering Doom with Galactus' power, and ignore and remove the mentions of Celestials being far more powerful than them, as it seems to have been ignored and retconned?
 
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@PRIDE I can understand your strong opinions... But please provide evidence for it being their limit when it was shown quite the opposite that it isn't . And yes the Universal Abstracts can be 2-A/High 1-B and the Multiversal abstract still serve a function . Because so far you are rattling off "they can't be this powerful because I believe so" rather than strong evidence of it not being so through the comics.
And I never said "each" . I was mainly referring to the 616 Universal Abstracts , which are the more commonly used and the ones likely to get that tier regardless if accepted.
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can you show me a feat where universal absract of any particular universe grab the multiverse in hand? can show show me any universal absract stopping the being like chaos king who was a threat to multiverse ? can you please tell why the universe 616 enternity who you think is high1b was matched by dormamu so is he also a high multiversal or hyperversal being now ?

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PRIDEXEGO is correct in that it makes absolutely no sense for the universal abstracts to be of full multiversal scale.
 
If you want to wank you can use the statement that Celestials are multiple degrees of infinity above Cosmic Cubes.

And then use the old retconned origin story for the Celestials that Eternity created all of them by meditating.

And also use the Multiversal+ feat for the Cosmic Cubes

But obviously it's ridiculous.
 
@Matthew

Yes. Agreed.

What do you think of ranking the cosmic cube entities as "At least 2-C" based on placing universal Eternity in a coma and overpowering Doom with Galactus' power?
 
The Cosmic Cubes can be as powerful as the Infinity gems but they restrict themselves.

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Well, that was the cosmic egg, which was shaped by a large number of cosmic cubes merged together into a whole.
 
Yes but mephisto also talked about the cosmic cubes not just the cosmic egg. Thats why the cubes cannot affect souls they restrain themselves. The cosmic cube can be as powerful as the infinity gems in union.
 
We do not know how many cubes the Goddess fused into one. I think that we should preferably scale from the more reliable explicit feats that I mentioned earlier.
 
Okay, I understand, but the cosmic cube being as powerful as the infinity gems stuff was stated a few times. But i understand your point.
 
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