Obito Vs Ji Ning

[Arkenis]

Whats up with you and this IC stuff? Is that all you have to argue with? Paralysis jutsu is basically ninja 101.

Because I take the character at what they generally are shown to do. Obito has never done it, unless you got some scan for it. We can't just argue things the characters consistently do not do unless they're in a situation in which they have to resort to it.

Jins have low godly regen. What can ning do against saiken's acid, koukou can use boil release to amp his speed, strength, naruto in kcm was getting burned by roshi's lava despite kurama cloak being able to tank amaterasu for some seconds. How much heat can ning resist? Can ning create enough water to rival kisame who could neutralize said lava?.

The jins get shredded by the droplets, Planck has mentioned this multiple times the ap difference is bigger, another thing to add, the Bijus barely can tank their own biju bombs so there's really no arguing they'll tank the droplets. And godly regen is good and all but not when you're getting bombarded by hundreds of attacks that scale to you. Saikens acid is how strong? Koukou the big horse? Ji Ning is dodging that with his danger sensing precognition that can sense from kms away. Roshi lava is dodgeable too.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Only Nagato used the Gedo's soul hax (the dragons).

Obito never used it or the sealing chains bare for Tailed Beast...how easy would have been the war if he used both...but no. If he used them and I forget my fault then but if he did post the scans so I can see it.

So now were using PIS to debunk his wincons? Real nice.

AoE soul eat is a standard gedo statue ability, not only nagato can use it.
Counter other wincons mentioned before we delve into PIS

 

[Arkenis]

How is he gonna constantly dodge 6C+ explosions that cover high 7A range?

Maybe because he can sense when they're coming?

 

[Tatsumi504]

the Bijus barely can tank their own biju bombs so there's really no arguing they'll tank the droplets.

Ignoring the fact that said bijuu's could tank bijuu dama from juubi, they aren't getting shredded. Yagura can also reflect techniques with his mirror.
What else you got?

 

[Arkenis]

AoE soul eat is a standard gedo statue ability, not only nagato can use it.

You mean the thing Obito has never done? you mean the thing that would've been useful when the gedo was fighting hundreds of ninjas? you mean the thing he could've used on Guy, Konan, Naruto, Bee? Why argue out of character things?

 

[Arkenis]

Ignoring the fact that said bijuu's could tank bijuu dama from juubi, they aren't getting shredded. Yagura can also reflect techniques with his mirror.

Who tanked a bomb from the juubi? Do we seriously gotta go get scans for this?

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ning is dodging that with his danger sensing precognition that can sense from kms away. Roshi lava is dodgeable too.

Koukou doesn't need full bijuu transformation to use use it. Naruto using said ability easily overpowered kaguya + it can also be used as AoE. He isn't dodging.

 

[theultimate5105]

Who tanked a bomb from the juubi? Do we seriously gotta go get scans for this?

I remember Kurama doing it and I think Gyuki might have, but none of the others did

 

[Arkenis]

 

[Tatsumi504]

Who tanked a bomb from the juubi? Do we seriously gotta go get scans for this?

Full kurama transformation naruto and gyuki tanked juubi bijuu dama

 

[Arkenis]

Koukou doesn't need full bijuu transformation to use use it. Naruto using said ability easily overpowered kaguya + it can also be used as AoE. He isn't dodging.

If he doesn't go full biju then his duras shit. How strong do you think the Jins are when not in biju form?

 

[Zaratthustra]

So now were using PIS to debunk his wincons? Real nice.

AoE soul eat is a standard gedo statue ability, not only nagato can use it.
Counter other wincons mentioned before we delve into PIS

No...Just because Gedo has X ability doesn't mean all can use it....why has Never Obito used it if its so good? Could have saved him lots of trouble in the war. Either he can't or its not in character.

 

[Arkenis]

Full kurama transformation naruto and gyuki tanked juubi bijuu dama

They literally didn't. and that's Gyuki and Naruto, the strongest bijus, does obito have them?

 

[speedster352]

Full kurama transformation naruto and gyuki tanked juubi bijuu dama

Also don’t forget genjutsu it’s layered mind hax and is ic for obito to use Here

 

[Tatsumi504]

the strongest bijus, does obito have them?

You basically used bee getting hurt from his own bomb to downplay all bijuu durability, now gyuuki tanking one from juubi suddenly doesn't apply to all?

 

[Tatsumi504]

If he doesn't go full biju then his duras shit. How strong do you think the Jins are when not in biju form?

Said ability overpowered kaguya whose AP reaches moon level, what makes you think danmaku is going to reach him?

 

[Tatsumi504]

No...Just because Gedo has X ability doesn't mean all can use it....why has Never Obito used it if its so good? Could have saved him lots of trouble in the war. Either he can't or its not in character.

Fair enough but no, all can use it but I think it comes with repercussions. Nagato using it caused him to be malnourished

 

[Arkenis]

OK Im gonna post one or two comments in reference to this terrible argument.


So for starters you say

Koukou doesn't need full bijuu transformation to use use it. Naruto using said ability easily overpowered kaguya + it can also be used as AoE. He isn't dodging.

1. If the jinchurikis do not go into their biju forms then they are high 7-A, they get one shot by Ji Ning's rain droplets. So them being in their partial or base will be a disadvantaged for them.

Full kurama transformation naruto and gyuki tanked juubi bijuu dama

Yea barely. Kuruma Avatar Naruto had his tails destroyed by the biju blast, Gyuki got kamuied out the way then shot his own biju bomb at the Juubi and what happened? it flicked it back at him and he was done for, he told Bee "I'm at my limit" we see Gyuki is badly damaged with blood all over his body. Now which Biju scales above their bombs? If Gyuki can barely tank his own then the others won't be able to tank the rain drops from hitting them at all.

 

[Arkenis]

You basically used bee getting hurt from his own bomb to downplay all bijuu durability, now gyuuki tanking one from juubi suddenly doesn't apply to all?

Gyuki got Kamuied, he didn't even get hit. reread the manga. And its not downplay, the bijus just generally aren't shown to tank their own bijus bombs. And I'm saying since Ji Ning's raindrops scale to them, they'll definitely get hurt by it.

 

[Tatsumi504]

If the jinchurikis do not go into their biju forms then they are high 7-A, they get one shot by Ji Ning's rain droplets. So them being in their partial or base will be a disadvantaged for them.

Said technique overpowered kaguya of all people while she was simultaneously trying to attack naruto, the danmaku gets blasted away.

 

[Tatsumi504]

This

I'm at my limit

This was referring to his transformation time as he and kurama retreated to amass chakra

 

[Arkenis]

Ji Ning Rain Drops (

What can ning do against saiken's acid, koukou can use boil release to amp his speed, strength, naruto in kcm was getting burned by roshi's lava despite kurama cloak being able to tank amaterasu for some seconds. How much heat can ning resist? Can ning create enough water to rival kisame who could neutralize said lava?.

• Water Manipulation and Fire Manipulation (Upon reaching reaching the Xiantian stage, his Sun and Moon tattoos would allow him to control water and fire. Can summon an ocean of flames and water and shaping large elemental dragons from them to attack his foes as well as creating an elemental barrier that can block energy attacks and can be repaired with a thought. He can also summon these elements directly on the opponent with a thought. [12][13][14][15])
• Ice Manipulation (He is capable to leaving anything his water touches as a frozen statue[16])

 

[Tatsumi504]

Ji Ning Rain Drops (

• Water Manipulation and Fire Manipulation (Upon reaching reaching the Xiantian stage, his Sun and Moon tattoos would allow him to control water and fire. Can summon an ocean of flames and water and shaping large elemental dragons from them to attack his foes as well as creating an elemental barrier that can block energy attacks and can be repaired with a thought. He can also summon these elements directly on the opponent with a thought. [12][13][14][15])
• Ice Manipulation (He is capable to leaving anything his water touches as a frozen statue[16])

What is the temperature of his flames? Amaterasu is said to be as hot as the sun. And inferior cloak tanked amaterasu while a Superior cloak was getting burned by roshi's lava.

Said technique overpowered kaguya of all people while she was simultaneously trying to attack naruto, the danmaku gets blasted away.

Why are you ignoring this

 

[Tatsumi504]

@speedster352 where are the other naruto supporters?

 

[speedster352]

@speedster352 where are the other naruto supporters?

They said that they don’t have the time to comment that’s what uchiha said

 

[Arkenis]

Why are you ignoring this

Because this doesn't affect Han in anyway. so what Naruto did that? Hans not, we saw how strong Han became when he used boil release he couldn't even kill Kcm naruto. its irrelevant here, like insanely irrelevant

 

[speedster352]

Fair enough but no, all can use it but I think it comes with repercussions. Nagato using it caused him to be malnourished

Actually you have to be a uchiha and have the rinnegan to use the gedo mazo with no repercussions

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Obito's strong. This is not a vote.

 

[speedster352]

Obito's strong. This is not a vote.

Okay what abilities does obito have have? Is genjutsu ic for him? What are his possible win cons

 

[Naeblis495]

Danmaku + Soul hax GG. Voting Ji.

I don't recall Obito using Genjutsu to win a difficult fight? He mainly used it outside of fights to gather intel or create puppets so it's not really in characther i guess.
Tailed beast are not a real issue here given Ji's abilities.

 

[speedster352]

This is outrageous still going on the fra train when the points have been countered typical. Using head canon over scans and feats from the manga. Then again this is a debate over two fictional characters. Well I am prepared to leave after the nnt upgrades.

 

[Tatsumi504]

Because this doesn't affect Han in anyway. so what Naruto did that? Hans not, we saw how strong Han became when he used boil release he couldn't even kill Kcm naruto. its irrelevant here, like insanely irrelevant

The feat is for koukou not han. Naruto performed it with koukou's chakra. Depending on the user its enough to overpower someone who's immensely stronger than you. This is enough to amp his speed and AP as well as deflect danmaku.

 

[Tatsumi504]

No counters to these so far.
-Saiken's acid
-Boil release
-Roshi's lava
-yagura's water mirror
-obito using gunbai to absorb and reflection danmaku.
-genjutsu gg (obito used it in his battle against kakashi multiple times)
-gedo sealing Chains

 

[speedster352]

No counters to these so far.
-Saiken's acid
-Boil release
-Roshi's lava
-yagura's water mirror
-obito using gunbai to absorb and reflection danmaku.
-genjutsu gg (obito used it in his battle against kakashi multiple times)
-gedo sealing Chains

And kamui bfr tailed beast bombs and sharigan precog and paralysis jutsu and tailed beast bomb and LS advantage and rinnegan abilities and etc

 

[Arkenis]

The feat is for koukou not han. Naruto performed it with koukou's chakra. Depending on the user its enough to overpower someone who's immensely stronger than you. This is enough to amp his speed and AP as well as deflect danmaku.

Yea its dodgeable sadly. And like I said rain drops > bijus

 

[speedster352]

Yea its dodgeable sadly. And like I said rain drops > bijus

The biju can become intangible it’s on their profile and they cannot die by any normal means. They have aoe attacks and roars and haxes to counter the rain drops. Passive heat aura vapes the rain drops

 

[Arkenis]

No counters to these so far.
-Saiken's acid
-Boil release
-Roshi's lava
-yagura's water mirror
-obito using gunbai to absorb and reflection danmaku.
-genjutsu gg (obito used it in his battle against kakashi multiple times)
-gedo sealing Chains

Saikens acid gets dodged.
Boil release gets dodged.
Roshi's lava gets dodged.
Yagura's water mirror is cool but as we saw its only equal to what it mirrors so ji Ning can just hit it.
Obito Gunbai is good but he can't absorb every thing with it.
Obito generally doesn't use Genjutsu and we've addressed this numerous times.
Gedo sealing is not in character.

 

[Arkenis]

The biju can become intangible it’s on their profile and they cannot die by any normal means. They have aoe attacks and roars and haxes to counter the rain drops. Passive heat aura vapes the rain drops

Already addressed this. stop bringing up old arguments. who has passive heat?

 

[Naeblis495]

Ji have low high regen, that pretty much neg anything he can't dodge that isn't genjutsu or sealing.

And 8 hours rain tempest + thought based soul hax is better than kamui and genjutsu. Jin is far more likely to use his domain and soul hax than obito using genjutsu or gedo chains

 

[Arkenis]

Ji have low high regen, that pretty much neg anything he can't dodge that isn't genjutsu or sealing.

And 8 hours rain tempest + thought based soul hax is better than kamui and genjutsu. Jin is far more likely to use his domain and soul hax than obito using genjutsu or gedo chains

you voting for Ji Ning? cause if you are then its grace I think.