Nyx (Marvel) downgrade

[The_Impress]

Nyx currently is listed 1-A within the House of Ideas, scaling to it fully.

This however is wrong, Vision noted that Nyx doesn't know the full capabilities of the House of Ideas, and is unimaginative to the point she can only conceptualize the Multiverse reconstructed, Nyx doubles down on this, and Vision rejects her claim of the multiverse being the extent of creation as laughable. (All scans come from Avengers: No Road Home #10)

Note that while she CAN be a higher tier, she isn't, this is the basic plot, Vision beats Nyx because he realizes the true potential of the House of Ideas, while she never does.

So she should be downgraded to Low 1-A, since that is the tier of affecting Marvel Multiversal structures, Nyx straight up isn't a higher rating because she doesn't know she CAN be a higher tier.

This doesn't affect cosmology, mind you. House of Ideas is still 1-A, just that Nyx doesn't fully scale to it.

 

[The_Impress]

@Antvasima can you gather input :v

 

[Confluctor]

Simple enough, I agree.

 

[Saksham_Gopal]

We already talked about it that day. Makes sense.

Also, if someone makes a Vision upgrade, he will get a 1-A rating through this rather easily.

 

[Confluctor]

Also, if someone makes a Vision upgrade, he will get a 1-A rating through this rather easily.

We have a rule regarding temporary power ups. Unless it's a longer lasting, don't think we need it. But yes, very easy to make him a tier 1

 

[The_Impress]

Meh, imo saying Vision got all the extent of the House of Ideas is wrong-ish.

 

[Saksham_Gopal]

Meh, imo saying Vision got all the extent of the House of Ideas is wrong-ish.

So you are saying even with that Vision was Low 1A?

 

[Setsuna_tenma]

vision didn`t get amped by the house. He used its properties to defeat nyx.

 

[The_Impress]

So you are saying even with that Vision was Low 1A?

Yes, Vision used the House to revert Nyx's effects, and he simply thought "All the superheroes I know, how would they defeat you?"

Note that I think Vision can be higher as well, but he seemingly chose not to, so logically he is only > Nyx, which is still Low 1-A

 

[Antvasima]

@Zensum @C2_of_Omegon @Eficiente @Qawsedf234 @SuperAPM @Firestorm808 @EmperorRorepme @LuciferDC099 @Newendigo @Ehnkr2beboh @Tllmbrg @Deagonx @Elizio33 @LordTracer

What do you think about this? It seems to make sense to me.

 

[LuciferDC099]

Yeah, i agree.

 

[Eficiente]

Yes. Also, her AP has things that don't matter and should be removed:

On Low Multiverse level; "She caused an endless night in the entire universe, even inside of the stars"

Not even 3-A.

On possibly Multiverse level+ or far higher; "She's a primal aspect"

Gibberish.

"She said that she’s the other side of the bright stories"

What does this even mean? It could just be poetic on how she claims that she will win and thereby be what comes next after many stories of heroes beating the darkness, or poetic over how she's "something something darkness" and so unlike bright things like the wins heroes had.

 

[Antvasima]

Eficiente seems to make good points.

 

[Saksham_Gopal]

"She said that she’s the other side of the bright stories"

What does this even mean? It could just be poetic on how she claims that she will win and thereby be what comes next after many stories of heroes beating the darkness, or poetic over how she's "something something darkness" and so unlike bright things like the wins heroes had.

Doesn't it mean she'll lose her Low Godly Regeneration if "She claimed she's the other side of the bright stories" could be some poetic wording like you described? We don't know if she really does have that kind of regeneration or if it's just a bunch of flowery jargon taking the above sentence.

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with the OP.

 

[Qawsedf234]

What do you think about this? It seems to make sense to me.

Yeah its pretty straightforward. Though it looks like there's more to the CRT going by Eficiente's comment.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, Eficiente also made good arguments regarding what needs to be changed in the relevant profile page.

 

[Confluctor]

Yeah removing that seems fine. We can just upscale her from Zeus

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose so, but Zeus has been portrayed as a pushover in recent Guardians of the Galaxy stories.

 

[The_Impress]

Nyx predates that iirc.

 

[Antvasima]

It was the same writer and a follow-up storyline.

 

[The_Impress]

I mean I don't see the point in stonewalling character stats based on quality, that'll reflect poorly on us :v

 

[Antvasima]

I suppose that we likely have to apply what you suggest then, in lack of better options.

 

[Antvasima]

@Eficiente @The_Impress

So what should we do here?

 

[The_Impress]

Downgrading the 1-A to Low 1-A, and changing her AP justification to only mention the Zeus feat, that seems like the consensus

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. That is probably fine then.

 

[The_Impress]

This never got applied

 

[Confluctor]

Lol what else is new

 

[The_Impress]

Smh meant, can I apply it?

 

[Confluctor]

Sure

 

[LordTracer]

It was already accepted, so go ahead.

 

[Antvasima]

Yes, I will unlock the page for you. Tell me here when you are done.

 

[The_Impress]

Oh I got it unlocked and applied today only

 

[Antvasima]

Okay. Should I lock the page and this thread then?

 

[The_Impress]

Yeye

 

[Mariogoods]

Okay. Should I lock the page and this thread then?

Yeye

Maybe this thread can be closed then.

 

[Antvasima]

Thank you to everybody who helped out here.