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Okay, I'm back at the Wiki and saw some changes on Nyx profiles due to this thread: https://vsbattles.com/threads/nyx-marvel-downgrade.122480/
I must say that I disagree with it and created this thread to show my counterarguments to the downgrade thread. I would have told most of this if I had been active in the wiki when the downgrade thread happened. But well, here we go!
I see she was downgraded because you agreed she was being scaled to the House of Ideas, and that was wrong because she didn't tap the House's full potential, which might be true. However, that is not reason enough for such a downgrade.
Here are my arguments:
1) The House of Ideas is not the only 1-A realm in the Marvel continuity. We have the Far Shore, for example, which is within Eternity. When inside the House of Ideas, she was creating a new multiverse while destroying the previous one. Since she was making a new Cosmos, she was creating a new Far Shore. She was also about to erase the Eight Cosmos, which has its own Far Shore. We know she planned to do that because she says, "There have been many endings. This will be another." She was about to end current Eternity ("the world of heroes") to create her own "Cosmos of Eternal night." (Avengers No Road Home #10). So at the very least, she should be 1-A in the House of Ideas for being above the Far Shore.
2) She is an eternal primal being (something proven to be true at the very moment she could enter the House of Ideas casually) of all reality and is darkness before creation. I know this was regarded as hyperbole and similar stuff, but at this point of the story, we should take it literally. At the start of Avengers NRH, she had some kind of amnesia and was not at full power. However, she could remember everything once she was complete. She even knew about the House of Ideas and its location, which makes her more knowledgeable about cosmic functioning on a multiversal scale and beyond than most cosmic entities. In other words, she knows what she is talking about. So when she said, "I am the other side of your bright stories," it was because she is the darkness in a literal sense. If light/day/fire is the start of stories, then darkness/night is the ending.
3) Recently, Defenders Beyond #3 portrayed the Tiger God as being the opposite of the Phoenix Force since it represents the fear of the dark, or darkness itself. Thus, it exists on the other side of the White-Hot Room, a 1-A realm. That helps to see that Nyx is 1-A and should scale at least to the Tiger God because Avengers No Road #4 portrays Nyx as equal to the Tiger God. Nyx is described as the darkness the light repels, while the Tiger God appears as the unknowns they feared. Then, the story states that the "night and dark were banished to the outer side, with all the unknowns humanity feared..." by the light. Emphasis on the "outer side" and "with," by the way. Said page shows a tribe around a wood fire, telling stories. Beyond the fire's reach, there is darkness and a tiger. This reflects Tigra's experience with the Phoenix Force in White Hot Room, with the Phoenix being a wood fire, and beyond its light, there is Darkness and a Tiger. By the way, the Phoenix itself said that beyond its reach is only darkness. And well, we can't forget that Avengers NRH and Defenders Beyond were written by the same writer.
Bonus:
4) To say that Nyx didn't have access to the House's full potential is possible but maybe not accurate. She was, at that point, rewriting what we could call the divine plan, after all. And despite what was stated in the downgrade thread, she was not defeated because Vision had a better understanding of the House and could harness all its power. No. Actually, Nyx was defeated by the House itself through Vision because it rejected her. That more likely happened because she was using the House power to tell no story but make the ultimate ending: the eternal night. Thus, Nyx was undoing balance (day/night, life/death, etc.) and playing a role that was not intended for her. So she might have used the House full potential but with bad intentions, which lead to God taking her out of the house.
And that is basically all. Right now, I have to leave, and I won't be available for some hours, so please, wait for me to discuss a little. Once I'm back, I'll be ready to provide links if necessary.
I must say that I disagree with it and created this thread to show my counterarguments to the downgrade thread. I would have told most of this if I had been active in the wiki when the downgrade thread happened. But well, here we go!
I see she was downgraded because you agreed she was being scaled to the House of Ideas, and that was wrong because she didn't tap the House's full potential, which might be true. However, that is not reason enough for such a downgrade.
Here are my arguments:
1) The House of Ideas is not the only 1-A realm in the Marvel continuity. We have the Far Shore, for example, which is within Eternity. When inside the House of Ideas, she was creating a new multiverse while destroying the previous one. Since she was making a new Cosmos, she was creating a new Far Shore. She was also about to erase the Eight Cosmos, which has its own Far Shore. We know she planned to do that because she says, "There have been many endings. This will be another." She was about to end current Eternity ("the world of heroes") to create her own "Cosmos of Eternal night." (Avengers No Road Home #10). So at the very least, she should be 1-A in the House of Ideas for being above the Far Shore.
2) She is an eternal primal being (something proven to be true at the very moment she could enter the House of Ideas casually) of all reality and is darkness before creation. I know this was regarded as hyperbole and similar stuff, but at this point of the story, we should take it literally. At the start of Avengers NRH, she had some kind of amnesia and was not at full power. However, she could remember everything once she was complete. She even knew about the House of Ideas and its location, which makes her more knowledgeable about cosmic functioning on a multiversal scale and beyond than most cosmic entities. In other words, she knows what she is talking about. So when she said, "I am the other side of your bright stories," it was because she is the darkness in a literal sense. If light/day/fire is the start of stories, then darkness/night is the ending.
3) Recently, Defenders Beyond #3 portrayed the Tiger God as being the opposite of the Phoenix Force since it represents the fear of the dark, or darkness itself. Thus, it exists on the other side of the White-Hot Room, a 1-A realm. That helps to see that Nyx is 1-A and should scale at least to the Tiger God because Avengers No Road #4 portrays Nyx as equal to the Tiger God. Nyx is described as the darkness the light repels, while the Tiger God appears as the unknowns they feared. Then, the story states that the "night and dark were banished to the outer side, with all the unknowns humanity feared..." by the light. Emphasis on the "outer side" and "with," by the way. Said page shows a tribe around a wood fire, telling stories. Beyond the fire's reach, there is darkness and a tiger. This reflects Tigra's experience with the Phoenix Force in White Hot Room, with the Phoenix being a wood fire, and beyond its light, there is Darkness and a Tiger. By the way, the Phoenix itself said that beyond its reach is only darkness. And well, we can't forget that Avengers NRH and Defenders Beyond were written by the same writer.
Bonus:
4) To say that Nyx didn't have access to the House's full potential is possible but maybe not accurate. She was, at that point, rewriting what we could call the divine plan, after all. And despite what was stated in the downgrade thread, she was not defeated because Vision had a better understanding of the House and could harness all its power. No. Actually, Nyx was defeated by the House itself through Vision because it rejected her. That more likely happened because she was using the House power to tell no story but make the ultimate ending: the eternal night. Thus, Nyx was undoing balance (day/night, life/death, etc.) and playing a role that was not intended for her. So she might have used the House full potential but with bad intentions, which lead to God taking her out of the house.
And that is basically all. Right now, I have to leave, and I won't be available for some hours, so please, wait for me to discuss a little. Once I'm back, I'll be ready to provide links if necessary.
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