Novel Kars vs Iihiko

[Paul_Frank]

He nulled the force of his attacks from being transferred to any other object in the world by the encounter

 

[DMB_1]

If power null has nulled causality manip or fate manip for example. It works on ALL abilities without having showings on all abilities. Again souls may not be a thing, but soul manip is still an ability.

Still an NFL.

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Medaka Kurokami's The End (Allows medaka to learn HIS abilities). Yes it still makes her learn his abilities, that doesn't affect him in any way, nor his abilities. Medaka's copy doesn't interfere with someone's ability.

Misogi Kumagawa's All Fiction (He couldn't even revive himself after hit by Iihiko) Isn't that his other Destruction ability? Fair enough

Ajimu Najimi's [insert buffing hax], it was stated none of her abilities worked on him which incldes speed, strength amp, etc. And here?

 

[Firephoenixearl]

Anyway im done here, this is getting boring. Imma unfollow.

 

[Ogbunabali]

So we're back to Whitesnake gg.

 

[Paul_Frank]

He can't recognize whitesnake so no

 

[Firephoenixearl]

If power null has nulled causality manip or fate manip for example. It works on ALL abilities without having showings on all abilities. Again souls may not be a thing, but soul manip is still an ability.

Still an NFL.

NLF is assuming it will work on stronger powers, not different ones. It'd be like me saying Iihiko nulls a 5D power. I can't believe people are arguing "power null only works on the types of powers it has shown to work". Anyway cya. A debate is fun until it gets boring.

 

[TriforcePower1]

@Fire

He doesn't recognize her copying his abilities so that doesn't happen.

And did Ajimu's stuff activate but don't work on him or don't they even activate in the first place?

Also, MiH is technically 4D stuff so Iihiko wouldn't be able to resist it if it was allowed

 

[Ogbunabali]

No one has provided evidence that his power works on attacks that he doesn't know about and he doesn't resist Soul Destruction.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

EE surely erases your soul and he has resisted that.

 

[DMB_1]

NFL can still be something about a power's versatility.

Someone can null a character who has time manipulation and mind manipulation. Does that mean he can null soul manipulation now? Absolutely not.

 

[Ogbunabali]

EE surely erases your soul and he has resisted that.

Not really, no.

 

[DMB_1]

EE surely erases your soul and he has resisted that.

EE has to show to erase someone's soul.

And Goku doesn't resist Soul manipulation because he resists EE:

 

[Paul_Frank]

@Ogbunabali

Ok so we have provided evidence about nulling attacks he doesn't know about just look above

As for soul destruction there are two possibilities he either does resist it because mb has no souls or he resists it because he resisted a skill that says it removes souls

@triforce

All of her skills activated same with medaka they just dont work that includes their stat amps

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Errasing your existance on a conceptual level doesn't errase your soul?

 

[Ogbunabali]

You actually haven't, you just said he resisted causality manip. That's great and all, but he nulls the attack if he sees someone doing the attack that much we know.

 

[DMB_1]

Ok so we have provided evidence about nulling attacks he doesn't know about just look above

As for soul destruction there are two possibilities he either does resist it because mb has no souls or he resists it because he resisted a skill that says it removes souls

1) Again NLF.

2)https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2404029

Errasing your existance on a conceptual level doesn't errase your soul?

1) Show me he got erased on that level

2) Resisting conceptual Manipulation =/= resisting soul manipulation.

 

[Paul_Frank]

@og

He resisted causality manip, damage transfer that doesn't even affect him,and the opening of scars passively

His power is literally stated to be if he doesn't recognize an attack it doesn't work , if you can't perceive something you can not recognize it

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Said soul manip would have to one shot to work because he would just resist it after seeing it once. He has resisted every ability Ajimu has which includes conceptual EE

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Give Kars all his Stands. Like seriously, D4CU forcing an inconclusive is the only way I see this ending. Iihiko can't kill infinite Kars from infinite universes within a feasible amount of time.

 

[Ogbunabali]

Perceive != recognize.

Again his ability, from everything that has been said and the description of the page, means this. You start to kick him > he sees the kick as a mosquito bite > the kick gets nulled.

 

[DMB_1]

Said soul manip would have to one shot to work because he would just resist it after seeing it once. He has resisted every ability Ajimu has which includes conceptual EE

Soul Stealing isn't erasure.

And I don't remember Ajimu having that level of EE.

And yeah, people agreed to not take all of her powers too serioulsy because of Gags and stuff.

 

[TriforcePower1]

Anyway, voting inconclusive because BtD Kars can have infinite tries but he'll never be able to incap/kill Iihiko because his ability is broken.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Well yeah that's why Ihiko used to be banned from matches. I dunno why isn't all of a sudden.

 

[Paul_Frank]

The prerequisite to affecting iihiko is for him to recognize your attack

He passively mulls anything he's either seen before knows about or doesn't recognize

You can't recognize an attack you can't perceive in addition Ajimu has a skill that destroys the soul and he resisted it so that doesn't matter either way

This thread should just be closed tbh it's kinda dumb

 

[TacticalNuke002]

> Huge debate over whether souls exist in Medaka Box

> Ajimu has a skill that destroys the soul

???

 

[Ogbunabali]

That's not what his ability is by the description, it's the other way around. He percieves the attacks as non attacks, which means he can't do that to an attack he can't percive.

"When kicked in the face, he perceived it as nothing more than a mosquito bite. Even if an attack is powerful enough to damage him, it does not mean it will effect him. He was stabbed full of swords, but perceived it as no more than acupuncture, so he took no meaningful damage despite the sword sticking into him. He was struck with massive bolts of electricity, but he perceived it as nothing more "Low Grade Electra-Shock Therapy," so it dealt no damage and only managed to relax him. "

 

[Sir_Ovens]

This is getting stupid. Kars cannot win with his current set of Stands, either give him all of them or this is a stomp.

 

[Paul_Frank]

> Huge debate over whether souls exist in Medaka Box

> Ajimu has a skill that destroys the soul

???

There is more evidence pointing to souls not existing whereas the only evidence in favor of souls existing is that skill

 

[DMB_1]

There is more evidence pointing to souls not existing whereas the only evidence in favor of souls existing is that skill

Go to the thread I linked you.

 

[Paul_Frank]

I just vote for closing the thread at best he can force a dumb incon right now

With all stands idk how it works out but mih definitely makes things even worse

@dmb

I've read that thread there is really no evidence in favor of souls existing but if they do resisting Ajimu's skill means he resisted soul manip

 

[Ogbunabali]

The thread can't even be added without all Stands excluding MiH of course.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

because of how cancer this thread was I asked Antvasima to ban Ihiko matches again seeing as Ajimu is still banned and Ihiko resists her quadrillions of abilities.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

How the hell did Ajimu vs The Protege even happen then?

 

[Blackcurrant91]

I think because of the inherent nature of the protege being able to copy her quadrillions of abilities but im not sure.

 

[Paul_Frank]

because of how cancer this thread was I asked Antvasima to ban Ihiko matches again seeing as Ajimu is still banned and Ihiko resists her quadrillions of abilities.

Or we could have just closed the match

This is no where near as bad as the fiamma vs dovahkiin match

 

[DragonEmperor23]

It was a special case because of Protege's powerset.

 

[Blackcurrant91]

Nah Ihiko and Ajimu debates are super bad tbh lol.

 

[Mr._Common_Sense]

Yall think this thread is bad. Yall should have been here in the past when before Iihiko and Ajimu were ever ban. The threads with those two were just chaos and one of the primary reasons why they were ban in the first place.

 

[Agnaa]

because of how cancer this thread was I asked Antvasima to ban Ihiko matches again seeing as Ajimu is still banned and Ihiko resists her quadrillions of abilities.

Simple. Don't count Iihko as resisting the abilities Ajimu has that we don't have good knowledge on. Meaning Iihiko doesn't really get many resistances from Ajimu.