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Novel Kars vs BB

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The player in CCC is a moon born AI, just like BB herself, which is why he was unaffected by Potnia Theron. He is still affected by all her other abilities though, like BB Channel, 10 Crowns, Golden Grail, etc. So even assuming Kars did reset the universe, she could still use 10 Crowns to null his attacks, and conceptually erase him
 
Oh, then i guess our definition of fun is different. Coz to me someone being obstinate and keep spouting the same ******** ***** aren't something i considered "fun"

Hakuno is an AI made in Moon (not originating from Earth), something that Potnia Theron can't affect. His/her Servant is being granted an authority as old as BB's in the form of Mythical Formal Wear which allow them to offset BB's authority temporarily.

What you madly speculate with Kars isn't either of that. Potnia Theron nullifies everything he tries to do. Now stop being a broken record and shut the hell up
 
Im aware the player is an AI but wouldnt simply initiating relationships with someone like Saber null his ability as he now has a connection with an earthborn?

Secondly Kars wouldnt eer go near her if he deemed her a threat, itd be his dupes, after the DIO fiasco, he learned not to piss around in the slightest and used what he had to incap DIO after a complex plan which required multiersal hopping, time rewinds and more.

Hes essentially cautios, if his dupes get fodderized he would attempt to beat her without actually needing contact.

On a side note, what allowed the serants to bypass that exactly?

And sorry if my spelling is a bit wonky, keyboard is a bit messed up.
 
It isn't that contact with an earthborn makes you an earthborn. It's that Kars is of earth. Anything he creates is of earth, as is anything created on earth or conceptualised by someone one earth. The very face of the planet he creates, is Kars. Anything that is created or born on its surface is of Kars, and Kars is of earth, so it would all be affected.

Which is why I said it would at best be inconclusive, as Kars would be hiding in another universe throwing clones at BB until she gets sick of absorbing them all to become stronger and writes a physical law saying "Kars and all versions of him cannot exist in this universe" thus causing any new clones he transports to her universe to just cease existing.

As Fab said in his less than polite message, they had their mythic formal wear. It gave them divine authority higher than BB's so they were no longer affected by PT. They were still affected by 10 Crowns and all her other abilities when she used them though.
 
Not quite. Hakuno is unaffected because hes not from Earth. His interaction with his Servant isn't even relevant here, so i don't even friggin' know as to why you bringing this shit up. Why its relevant for Kars is because everything he does will get nulled and everything that came to existance because of him will have Earth as its root because they exist due to Kars' actio

His/her Servant is being granted an authority as old as BB's in the form of Mythical Formal Wear
Learn to at least read. I already wrote that shit down
 
He brought it up because things I have said made him believe that anything touched by an earthborn because an earthborn. I corrected this assumption and made what I was saying clearer, so there's no need to call him on it. Same with the mythic formal wear bit.

We're just trying to have a debate. No need to start swearing at him.
 
All things considered that message actually helped clear up a lot of things and the way it was described made it the workings a lot clearer.

Honestly Fab, no hard feelings but y shouldnt get mad at stuff like this, it doesnt hurt anyone, its just a hobby to kill time, my opinions shouldnt cause ya trouble as yours should to me, its not a big deal n the end regardless.
 
Ye ye, i shouldn't gone mad. And you should also stop being an idiotic broken record that keeps spouting the same shit again and again too. Your opinions don't cause any trouble yes, but your ******** way to convey it however, does.

No need to keep repeating yourself over on points that have been addressed. And madly speculate when you absolutely know nothing about the other side is also an idiotic behaviour. Also learn to read, don't make people rewrite their ***** just because you friggin' miss them ffs.
 
Dude **** off, there is literally no reason to keep insulting them since they tried to be polite to you, he didn't even insult you back after what you said.

If you can't handle two people debating with one of them not being too sure about the others abilities, shut up and don't debate.
 
Maybe everyone should calm down, not swear at each other and insult each other and remind ourselves that we are talking about who would win in a fight between fictional characters and it is really nothing to get so worked up about.
 
Welp, calm down guys.

How long until the grace period is done?

I'd vote BB due to Kars being an earthborn but I don't know Kars well enough, so meh.
 
Monarch said there was 20 hours left and that was 7 hours ago.

In all seriousness, this debate was a very fun read, and pretty interesting considering how it flipped A>B>C logic around.

Though I realize Gilgamesh at full power resisted the authority, IDK if he could win if it didn't, same with every servant for that matter....
 
@Llama Those Patchwork Soul flashbacks are hitting you reading about this fight aren't they? XD

13 more hours until this can be added btw

Edit: @Gargoyle he probably couldn't have tbh. Only full power and reclaiming his true divinity gave him the ability to resist her authority.
 
You have a link to that thread?

Monarch, is there a servant who could beat her without resisting her authority? Aside from you know.....Ryuogi?
 
Which thread in particular?

There are five @Gargoyle. You could just take Link1 and read through all maybe
 
Saver VS Ruler refers to a Grail War RP game I set up on this wiki. A fight between the actual Saver and Ruler would go about as well as you'd expect.

As for a servant beating her without resisting her authority, no. That's kinda the whole point of it. You need to have greater divine authority than her, which is hard seeing as she consumed all the earth mother goddess's authorities, which are about the highest authority you can get without Gil and Mythic Formal wear
 
Sort of yeah, disregarding how boring it would be and the OP being biased against said character.

Say you saw you're opponent and had to pick a character from Fate who had the highest chance of winning.

For example, I see Sazed from Mistborn and see that he isn't born from Earth, therefore Gil would have the best chance against him, then I see Kars, see he IS born from Earth, therefore BB has the best chance.
 
Actually, Gil would get horribly screwed over by Sazed I'm pretty sure. Precog + Cosmic Awareness + Teleportation + residing in a higher plane of reality + reality warping = easily dodged Ea and GoB , and easily killed Gil

Kars won against Gil though, so I can't argue with you there.

Hmmmm

Kars VS Sazed...

I wonder how that would go.
 
Not sure about Sazed, but how is Precog an advantage against a serious Gil lol. SNI, remember? The thing you brutally abused in the war.
 
Wait Gil beats BB without Authority but BB without authority has a better chance against Sazed?

Okay, it's official, Fate is one massive finger to A>B>C logic.
 
Well SNI isn't perfect. It would tell what he needs to do, but if there is nothing he can do he's still screwed. Plus he can willingly reject what it tells him if he doesn't believe it.

And there isn't much he can do against Sazed. If he hits him he can hurt him, sure, but precog V precog tends to work out in favour of the faster one, and there isn't much faster than teleportation comboed with cosmic awareness and thought based realit warping
 
BB: 10 definite votes, 12 if we count you and Lu Bane who are both favouring BB but haven't explictly voted

Kars: 3

edit: Llama, You forgot your vote
 
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