Nothing, Nowhere, Not At All - Shadow Generations CRT Pt. 2

[ShakeResounding]

On our way out of 2024, and into 2025! Right in the nick of time (for me)!

Intro
Hello again, folks! As you likely know, the first part of the thread focused on hax/resistances/additions/removals regarding Shadow Generations.

Now, for what many have been anticipating and what I promised in the first thread. Let's begin.

Metal Overlord
Ah, how we knew this time would come. As we know well by now, Shadow is able to beat and ultimately destroy Metal Overlord. In fact, he even implies that Metal is unable to reach Sonic's level with what he displayed during the fight.

• Gets downgraded from 1-C back to 2-C. This means Adventure Master Overlord will be considered to NOT have been fighting against the maximum power of the Chaos Emeralds, but at the baseline of their power.
• Omegabronic made a case for Low 1-C scaling that I am neutral on, the comment being here.

Black Arms
I had previously showcased their revision in Part 1, but I've made further improvements between then and now. Here is the sandbox.

• Put in a “Universal Biology “ ability tabber that applies to Black Arms.
• Separated their abilities from what's due to equipment and what is innate to them.
• Added a Modern Era section for their forces from Shadow Generations.

Doom
Black Doom's back with a new transformation and more power. Here is his sandbox. Let's see what feats he performs to see what Tier he warrants.

• For starters, Shadow himself never confronts Doom himself until after he becomes Evolved/Complete. The only time something close happens is with Doom's Eye, meaning Doom himself has no feats restricting him to an incomplete Shadow. In fact, we know Doom's plan is to strengthen Shadow with those Doom Powers because it strengthens himself as well.
• Gerald Robotniks states that Black Doom is preventing the timeline from healing. What's important here is that we know all of space-time was erased, meaning he would be keeping at bay the use of hypertime to heal reality to an intact state (as Gerald also states time was capable of healing itself). Thus, he should be rated 6-D.

Shadow
The KING of 2024. Here is his sandbox, and here are the major changes and additions to note.

ALL LINKS ARE IN THE SANDBOX. (im on mobile give me a break)

• Added a key for Evolved Shadow that is rated as 1-C (6-D) scaling to Devil Doom/Neo Doom.
• Changed the Classic - Adventure - Modern keys into something more reflecting Modern Sonic's page.
• Put Shadow's statistics into tabbers (thank you, @Omegabronic)
• A new Weapons & Vehicles tabbed in the Adventure Era's Optional Equipment with a myriad of new abilities.
• Added more thorough Standard and Optional Equipment sections, detailing his equipment more thoroughly from his own game and more.
• Limited Portal Creation & Teleportation with the Mystic Melody in the Adventure Era
• Resistance to Age Manipulation (for having an ageless body) and Unconventional Resistance to Memory Manipulation (Gerald's Journal)
• Pseudo-Flight with the Lightspeed Dash
• Time Slow, Vector Manipulation, and Aura from Chaos Shift (Dream Team)
• A myriad of abilities for the Wisps under his Modern Optional Equipment.

I'm sure I've missed a thing or two so please forgive me in advance, I'll add onto the list as necessary.

Oh, as for that Sonic fight...

• Shadow implies Rouge that he doesnt want to fight Sonic while he has his Doom Powers. Shadow's hesitance in even using them shows this.
• Sonic taking out Shadow in a single hit, which never happens to even BASE Shadow, should be an indication that he wasn't ultimately trying to his fullest extent.
• Basically, NO Sonic scaling to 6-D.

White Space
With Shadow Generations giving us like 4 extra statements regarding a lack of time, I want to add Type 1 Beyond-Dimensional Existence in this White Space blog for being aremporal and aspatial without being superior to such things in nature.


Thank you for bearing the weight, but hopefully this was worth the wait.

Staff Agree: 3 (Dalesean027, CloverDragon03, LordGriffin1000,)

Staff Neutral: 0 (N/A)

Staff Disagree: 1 (LordGriffin1000 [Partial. Disagrees with a full Metal Overlord downgrade, fine with Low 1-C],)

MORE STAFF NEEDED.

 

[Dalesean027]

Everything is fine to me, amazing work as usual

 

[Alexander]

I agree with everything minus Metal overlord being downgraded, i disagree with the idea that he didn't fight the maximum power of the Emeralds, mostly because, why would Sonic need the other two if he was not going all out?

 

[DavidTPPM]

Damn all of this looks really high effort. Great job

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

IT'S FINALLY HERE, I'VE BEEN WAITING AGES FOR THIS!

I may not be a staff member, but I wanted to cast my vote and say that I personally agree with this. This is fantastic work, Shake, I hope you and everyone else who were involved in this get time to rest.

 

[Omegabronic]

Agree with the thread as someone who helped in it somewhat, but i disagree with Metal Overlord being 2-C, here's why:

- Eggman says they would need a miracle to beat MO and that even the Emeralds might not be enough, even when he acknowledged them as the strongest power/things he knows of prior(Sonic Advance is before heroes, as pointed in the Timeline blog) and Eggman knows(page 4) of the Preciostone/Illumina/Void's power and traveled there to claim it

- To face MO, Sonic needed a significant time for them to charge the power of the Emeralds is in contrasts to many bosses in the entire franchise, frankly i still disagree with downgrading him without any real good reason, as needing such a big charge time is solid evidence of more power of the emeralds being used than normal

- Doom Powers Shadow beating him proves nothing about him being weaker than we thought, but only that Shadow with that many Doom Powers is simply that strong, as pointed in the OP, Base Sonic doesn't scale to Doom Powers Shadow's power, so our only reason to really downgrade him would be based around him fighting an opponent who has no real scaling outside of himself, which i don't believe i need to explain why doesn't contradict the tier 1 rating MO have

So based on the above, if a downgrade were to happen, it would need to be an Low 1-C one, not a 2-C one, as even ignoring the charge up time needed for Super Sonic to be strong enough to have a change against Metal Overlord(which he still couldn't damage him at all no matter what, needing a charged attack + combining power with Super Knuckles and Super Tails. The statements regarding its power still puts him above Illumina/Void's Low 1-C rating at the BARE MINIMUM

 

[Omegabronic]

Also Shadow saying Metal will never catch up or surpass Sonic is.......false, Metal did this numerous times through the modern era, so it is likely that he is just mocking him

 

[Alexander]

Also Shadow saying Metal will never catch up or surpass Sonic is.......false, Metal did this numerous times through the modern era, so it is likely that he is just mocking him

yeah, and he constantly gets surpassed by Sonic

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

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I got to concur with this as well, it sounds more like Shadow taunting Metal instead being literal when he claims that Metal can never catch up to Sonic.

Also out of curiosity: is there a specific reason why it's assumed that the corrupted surfaces of Chaos Island are related to Cyber Corruption? Because correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that Cyber Corruption was red in its appearance while the stuff for Doom Morph is purple.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

Nice, just in time for the new year! It’s like half 4 in the movie in my timezone but I’m surprisingly still kicking even after 22 hours awake, so I guess I can leave my half-asleep thoughts.

Metal Overlord
Ah, how we knew this time would come. As we know well by now, Shadow is able to beat and ultimately destroy Metal Overlord. In fact, he even implies that Metal is unable to reach Sonic's level with what he displayed during the fight.

• Gets downgraded from 1-C back to 2-C. This means Adventure Master Overlord will be considered to NOT have been fighting against the maximum power of the Chaos Emeralds, but at the baseline of their power.

I think I made it clear in the 1-C Perfect Chaos thread that I prefer them both scaling to base Modern cast than peak Emeralds, so I agree with this. Idk how that thread went after I stopped commenting as I never kept up with it, but yeah if there’s no clashing with it then this is good.

Black Arms
I had previously showcased their revision in Part 1, but I've made further improvements between then and now. Here is the sandbox.

• Put in a “Universal Biology “ ability tabber that applies to Black Arms.
• Separated their abilities from what's due to equipment and what is innate to them.
• Added a Modern Era section for their forces from Shadow Generations.

I’m guessing it’s not quite finished yet based on the tiers, but what’s there so far is good.

As an aside, based on Commander Tower’s profile the weapons of GUN Soldiers are currently scaling to Black Arms flunkies being 9-B, so they should probably be downgraded to 9-C. Or Abe gets a 4-B pistol, that’s cool too

Doom
Black Doom's back with a new transformation and more power. Here is his sandbox. Let's see what feats he performs to see what Tier he warrants.

• For starters, Shadow himself never confronts Doom himself until after he becomes Evolved/Complete. The only time something close happens is with Doom's Eye, meaning Doom himself has no feats restricting him to an incomplete Shadow. In fact, we know Doom's plan is to strengthen Shadow with those Doom Powers because it strengthens himself as well.
• Gerald Robotniks states that Black Doom is preventing the timeline from healing. What's important here is that we know all of space-time was erased, meaning he would be keeping at bay the use of hypertime to heal reality to an intact state (as Gerald also states time was capable of healing itself). Thus, he should be rated 6-D.

Yeah, I never realised till now that Shadow never fought base Black Doom. I think him being 6-D makes sense based on the evidence given on top of some other implications that I can loosely recall.

Shadow
The KING of 2024. Here is his sandbox, and here are the major changes and additions to note.

ALL LINKS ARE IN THE SANDBOX. (im on mobile give me a break)

• Added a key for Evolved Shadow that is rated as 1-C (6-D) scaling to Devil Doom/Neo Doom.
• Changed the Classic - Adventure - Modern keys into something more reflecting Modern Sonic's page.
• Put Shadow's statistics into tabbers (thank you, @Omegabronic)
• A new Weapons & Vehicles tabbed in the Adventure Era's Optional Equipment with a myriad of new abilities.
• Added more thorough Standard and Optional Equipment sections, detailing his equipment more thoroughly from his own game and more.
• Limited Portal Creation & Teleportation with the Mystic Melody in the Adventure Era
• Resistance to Age Manipulation (for having an ageless body) and Unconventional Resistance to Memory Manipulation (Gerald's Journal)
• Pseudo-Flight with the Lightspeed Dash
• Time Slow, Vector Manipulation, and Aura from Chaos Shift (Dream Team)
• A myriad of abilities for the Wisps under his Modern Optional Equipment.

I'm sure I've missed a thing or two so please forgive me in advance, I'll add onto the list as

OK so now I have a few nitpicks, though they’re all pretty minor and some of these are just aesthetic thing that are already on his profiles:

1. Not too fond of Doom Spear and Doom Blast having images in the main profile since they’re just attacks, and I feel they should be a part of the end of page gallery instead.
2. Shouldn’t the Doom Powers be in the transformations tab rather than after his Modern 2D artwork? While it’s a little off either way especially if we keep the first two, having the Doom Morph and Doom Wing placed there just doesn’t feel right to me.
3. I feel like Doom Shadow should have “higher with Doom Wing” based on how it functions as a pseudo-Super form and how he fights a more powerful character than his non-Winged self does.
4. The justification for Doom Shadow’s AP feels both lacking and kinda misleading (“implies” makes it sound more like he should be 2-C, possibly 1-C). I’m too tired to suggest options tho

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Not gonna talk about the last bit cause I’m knackered and usually ignore that stuff anyway. Anyways nice job

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

yeah, and he constantly gets surpassed by Sonic

Isn't saying "constantly gets surpassed by Sonic" just a bit of an exaggeration? I mean I can understand if you're referring to base Metal, but even base Metal Sonic has consistently remained comparable to Sonic in every fight they're in (post Forces media like IDW showcase this a couple of times). And higher forms like Neo Metal, Super Neo, Metal Ovelord, and (IIRC) Master Overlord were stronger than Sonic.

 

[McFriesGuy075]

- Doom Powers Shadow beating him proves nothing about him being weaker than we thought, but only that Shadow with that many Doom Powers is simply that strong, as pointed in the OP, Base Sonic doesn't scale to Doom Powers Shadow's power, so our only reason to really downgrade him would be based around him fighting an opponent who has no real scaling outside of himself, which i don't believe i need to explain why doesn't contradict the tier 1 rating MO have

If Shadow thought using Doom Powers on Sonic was unfair due to wanting to beat him on even terms, this might be a good reasoning.

Eh... actually that would mean the others Shadow fought could be 1-C so scratch that.

 

[Alexander]

Isn't saying "constantly gets surpassed by Sonic" just a bit of an exaggeration? I mean I can understand if you're referring to base Metal, but even base Metal Sonic has consistently remained comparable to Sonic in every fight they're in (post Forces media like IDW showcase this a couple of times). And higher forms like Neo Metal, Super Neo, Metal Ovelord, and (IIRC) Master Overlord were stronger than Sonic.

Those forms are like Super forms, so, bit unfair

 

[SJG13673]

Would Archie and other immortal Shadows scale with Ageless body? Since I don't see the concrete source

 

[Ghengiroo115]

I agree with everything minus Metal overlord being downgraded, i disagree with the idea that he didn't fight the maximum power of the Emeralds, mostly because, why would Sonic need the other two if he was not going all out?

Going all out isn’t a conscious choice as it’s based on outside factors, or else every Super Sonic boss that requires extra help would be 1-C.

So based on the above, if a downgrade were to happen, it would need to be an Low 1-C one, not a 2-C one, as even ignoring the charge up time needed for Super Sonic to be strong enough to have a change against Metal Overlord(which he still couldn't damage him at all no matter what, needing a charged attack + combining power with Super Knuckles and Super Tails. The statements regarding its power still puts him above Illumina/Void's Low 1-C rating at the BARE MINIMUM

Agree with Low 1-C GOATvok FRA

In all seriousness, while the whole 2-C vs 1-C debate for Metal Overlord isn’t something I feel like getting into again, I do agree that based on the context he should be bare minimum Low 1-C. However since I personally think Modern Sonic scales, that gives unfortunate implications to the cast as a whole that deserves its own thread I think. If we don’t want to entertain that, then guess Sonic scaling to him or not should be the main question rn as that’s a big factor to deciding his tier.

Also Shadow saying Metal will never catch up or surpass Sonic is.......false, Metal did this numerous times through the modern era, so it is likely that he is just mocking him

Again, not involving myself much with the Metal debate (which lets be honest is going to end up being at least 90% of this thread’s discussion), however I wanted to say that Shadow mocking him only works if there’s a weakness to be mocked in the first place. He’s not seriously suggesting Metal couldn’t reach Sonic’s level, but to even suggest he couldn’t would get on Metal’s nerves, and such a suggestion only really makes sense if Metal isn’t already stronger than current Sonic at this point.

 

[ShakeResounding]

Also I will be responding and/or adjusting sandboxes or the OP in the morning since I'm away from my main editing device and my phone is dying.

Also if there's any 2-C sounding AP for Evolved Shadow, it's a remnant of an older sandbox version.

Enjoy the New Years, everyone!

 

[LukeChaosBlobz]

Literally peak, good job man

(By the way Shadow doesn’t have any of his SA2 Upgrades or Speed Sim Equipment in his Equipment section)

 

[Eseseso]

What a wonderful way to kick off the new year. I agree with the OP entirely!

 

[Omegabronic]

Agree with Low 1-C GOATvok FRA

In all seriousness, while the whole 2-C vs 1-C debate for Metal Overlord isn’t something I feel like getting into again, I do agree that based on the context he should be bare minimum Low 1-C. However since I personally think Modern Sonic scales, that gives unfortunate implications to the cast as a whole that deserves its own thread I think.

No as Sonic doesn't have any scalling to Metal Overlord at all, and Shadow's statement is simply wrong, Metal had matched anf surpassed Sonic numerous times in the Modern and Adventure era

he most likely was talking about the method and mentality, not power

If we don’t want to entertain that, then guess Sonic scaling to him or not should be the main question rn as that’s a big factor to deciding his tier.

he doesn't have anything scalling him to MO, that is not even a factor here

Again, not involving myself much with the Metal debate (which lets be honest is going to end up being at least 90% of this thread’s discussion), however I wanted to say that Shadow mocking him only works if there’s a weakness to be mocked in the first place. He’s not seriously suggesting Metal couldn’t reach Sonic’s level, but to even suggest he couldn’t would get on Metal’s nerves, and such a suggestion only really makes sense if Metal isn’t already stronger than current Sonic at this point.

No? Shadow never talks about power, but that that Metal will never "Surpass" Sonic......surpass in what? Who knows. He is already fighting of an amped Shadow that is already superior to Base Sonic, so it can't be that

 

[Omegabronic]

If Shadow thought using Doom Powers on Sonic was unfair due to wanting to beat him on even terms, this might be a good reasoning.

Eh... actually that would mean the others Shadow fought could be 1-C so scratch that.

No? Pretty sure only Mephiles(Who copied Shadow again) and Black Doom fight Doom Powers Shadow after this point.....not any other

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

No? Shadow never talks about power, but that that Metal will never "Surpass" Sonic......surpass in what? Who knows. He is already fighting of an amped Shadow that is already superior to Base Sonic, so it can't be that

To add to this: I'm pretty sure the full statement from Shadow, using Windii's translations, is "Hmph. If that's all you can do, you'll never reach his level." or something along those lines. So I think the intent wasn't to be taken seriously, but Shadow just taunting Metal for, in Shadow's eyes, needing to copy the powers of others in order to gain strength while Sonic's all natural.

 

[CloverDragon03]

I agree with the OP, and yes, this includes the downgrade for Metal Overlord. Shadow fighting him just puts the nail in that coffin, and this whole "Metal Overlord not being Sonic level shouldn't be taken seriously" is completely baseless.

The 1-C rating is simply bunk, and relies on circumstances as evidence as opposed to any actual feats

 

[ShionAH]

Why does Shadow resist metal virus even though he got infected?

 

[CloverDragon03]

Why does Shadow resist metal virus even though he got infected?

Because he only got infected after a very prolonged period of time. He made contact with Zombots several upon several times without getting infected, whereas normally even the slightest touch infects someone

 

[LaserPrecision]

Why does Shadow resist metal virus even though he got infected?

What Clover said + Metal Virus evolves to overcome resistances. Shadow was unaffected by the Metal Virus at first. Prolonged exposure caused it to finally gain the ability to infect him too.

 

[CloverDragon03]

What Clover said + Metal Virus evolves to overcome resistances. Shadow was unaffected by the Metal Virus at first. Prolonged exposure caused it to finally gain the ability to infect him too.

Probably should add that to the justification by saying something like "However, Shadow eventually succumbed once the Metal Virus evolved to overcome this resistance"

 

[ShionAH]

Because he only got infected after a very prolonged period of time. He made contact with Zombots several upon several times without getting infected, whereas normally even the slightest touch infects someone

Thats like a really limited resistance then

 

[LaserPrecision]

Probably should add that to the justification by saying something like "However, Shadow eventually succumbed once the Metal Virus evolved to overcome this resistance"

I planned to cover that with my layer doc. It goes over all the layers for Metal Virus (amongst other things). But it wouldn't hurt to tackle the bit with Shadow right away.

 

[Theuser789]

I agree with everything, including Metal Overlord downgrade. Before Heroes, the emeralds hadn't reached tier 1 power, so Eggman can still think he's impossible to defeat without him being tier 1.

 

[Ghengiroo115]

No as Sonic doesn't have any scalling to Metal Overlord at all, and Shadow's statement is simply wrong, Metal had matched anf surpassed Sonic numerous times in the Modern and Adventure era

he most likely was talking about the method and mentality, not power


he doesn't have anything scalling him to MO, that is not even a factor here


No? Shadow never talks about power, but that that Metal will never "Surpass" Sonic......surpass in what? Who knows. He is already fighting of an amped Shadow that is already superior to Base Sonic, so it can't be that

You may believe Sonic shouldn’t scale to Metal Overlord, but some of us think he should so the first debate between everyone regarding this should be on whether he actually should or not (by everyone I ain’t counting myself, like I said before I’m not getting involved outside of these couple comments at the start).

As an aside I feel Metal Overlord’s scaling should’ve been kept to its own thread, but at the same time you kinda gotta do it either before or during the Shadow/Black Doom scaling thread so I guess it’s too late to separate it now. Well technically it doesn’t affect any scaling outside of maybe Mephiles but still.

 

[SeijiSetto]

isn't a resistance to age manip already covered by immo1
why both?

 

[Theuser789]

isn't a resistance to age manip already covered by immo1
why both?

Because immortality type 1 means you can still age, just not die. Shadow always keeps his peak form no matter his age.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Because immortality type 1 means you can still age, just not die. Shadow always keeps his peak form no matter his age.

1: Eternal Life: Characters gifted with this type of immortality cannot die from natural causes, such as old age or conventional illness, but can be killed by unnatural causes. To clarify, this type of immortality can include both those who do not age at all, and those who still grow old, but will never die of old age. However, in the case of the latter, it should be made clear that this is not just Longevity, as characters with that ability will eventually die of old age, as opposed to Eternal Life, for which dying of old age is not possible.

 

[Fireld]

isn't a resistance to age manip already covered by immo1
why both?

Why not?
His resistance from illnesses too comes from said immortality too yet we bothered mentioning both. He's stated be ageless therefore he likely wouldn't get deaged/aged.
Hell, characters get both self-ressurection & immortality type 4 mentioned, despite being the same thing. Same for immortality type 3 & regen.

 

[SeijiSetto]

Why not?
His resistance from illnesses too comes from said immortality too yet we bothered mentioning both.

you wouldn't have to
the page for immo1 says you can't die of conventional illness so you really don't have to either.

He's stated be ageless therefore he likely wouldn't get deaged/aged.

if you have immo1 you don't need to resist age manip
age manip would actually work on you, but have no effect due to you being, y'know, immortal. sorta like setting someone on fire with fire manip but they resist those temperatures so they're unaffected.

Hell, characters get both self-ressurection & immortality type 4 mentioned, despite being the same thing. Same for immortality type 3 & regen.

regen needs a degree (Mid, High-Mid, etc.) so i think listing that separately is reasonable
depending on how good it is, resurrection can too

 

[Omegabronic]

I agree with the OP, and yes, this includes the downgrade for Metal Overlord. Shadow fighting him just puts the nail in that coffin, and this whole "Metal Overlord not being Sonic level shouldn't be taken seriously" is completely baseless.

The 1-C rating is simply bunk, and relies on circumstances as evidence as opposed to any actual feats

And the statements i showed? Like.......1-C aside, he has Low 1-C statements

Shadow fighting him means very little, as nothing really makes that Shadow only be 2-C

Also......the very fact that Metal indeed reached Soni's level, and even surpassed him, numerous times in the modern era is "baseless"?

 

[Theuser789]

I think upscaling from the precious stone is too vague in my opinion. The emeralds hadn't show any feats of tier 1 power before, so Eggman not believing Overlord can be defeated with them doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than the Precious Stone.

 

[Omegabronic]

I think upscaling from the precious stone is too vague in my opinion. The emeralds hadn't show any feats of tier 1 power before, so Eggman not believing Overlord can be defeated with them doesn't necessarily mean he's stronger than the Precious Stone.

......yes it does? He knows the power of the precioustone, and still deems them superior "they didn't show that much power" they didn't showed any tier 2 power till mania, should we dongrade them as well?

Also.......the only thing suggested to downgrade him is fighting a Shadow who has no feats but to fght him, it simply makes no sense

 

[Alexander]

Going all out isn’t a conscious choice as it’s based on outside factors, or else every Super Sonic boss that requires extra help would be 1-C.

it is based on emotions, so we have to assume that the characters are having weak emotions or they don't feel like they are truly giving their full emotional, which makes no sense because that will mean that they are not giving their all to save the world

 

[ShakeResounding]

Literally peak, good job man

(By the way Shadow doesn’t have any of his SA2 Upgrades or Speed Sim Equipment in his Equipment section)

Might wanna re-check that. It's under Adventure Shadow. "Both Adventure Shadow and Modern Shadow are capable of accessing Pets and Trails, as both are present in Sonic Speed Simulator."

Thanks for keeping me on my toes tho!

Thats like a really limited resistance then

It's moreso a testament to the Metal Virus' reactively evolving infection than a limitation on Shadow's resistance. However, I'll note that Shadow still fell victim to it and thus Shadow's Reesistance < Sonic's.

Thank you, Shion.

Because immortality type 1 means you can still age, just not die. Shadow always keeps his peak form no matter his age.

I will remove this shortly, then. I had thought this myself but confirming it here is good, thank you.

OK so now I have a few nitpicks, though they’re all pretty minor and some of these are just aesthetic thing that are already on his profiles:

Let's begin.

Not too fond of Doom Spear and Doom Blast having images in the main profile since they’re just attacks, and I feel they should be a part of the end of page gallery instead.

Well, I suppose I could move Doom Spear + Blast to the Gallery section instead. Sure, I concede this.

Shouldn’t the Doom Powers be in the transformations tab rather than after his Modern 2D artwork? While it’s a little off either way especially if we keep the first two, having the Doom Morph and Doom Wing placed there just doesn’t feel right to me.

Uh, yeah, I think that was actually an error.

I feel like Doom Shadow should have “higher with Doom Wing” based on how it functions as a pseudo-Super form and how he fights a more powerful character than his non-Winged self does.

Sure, I can do that.

The justification for Doom Shadow’s AP feels both lacking and kinda misleading (“implies” makes it sound more like he should be 2-C, possibly 1-C). I’m too tired to suggest options tho
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Ah, this must be part of the leftovers I mentioned last night. Could you tell me where this is? I can probably handle the rewording myself.

Not gonna talk about the last bit cause I’m knackered and usually ignore that stuff anyway. Anyways nice job

Hehe, knackered...

Thanks for your input and suggestions, Rooroo!