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(Not so) Pacifist Scientist fight against Demon Michael Jackson [5-1-0]
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Fear Aura is a spiritual attack that does both psychological damage and physical damage that Sento doesn't have spiritual resistance against, since he doesn't produce a "battle spirit" aura.
The Nebula Gas (The powercore of KR Build characters) has shown the power to affect the spirit as well. The queen of Mar, who only exist as a spirit inside another young girl's body also get affected by it, despite the fact that the queen's Hazard level is really high herself to the point she can manipulate the Pandora Box to some extend, but being exposed to the higher level Nebula Gas causes her goes insane and attack her comrades.
Another feat for Nebula Gas's soul manipulation is when Sento transfer the queen's spirit into Banjo (Who just has enough hazard level to endure the alteration)
From what I read, Sento was incapacitated by Evol's poison (he didn't die which is a resistance feat, but he was incapacitated)
Didnt that happpened like... at the beginning of the series ? when his Hazard level still below 2 ? This Sento is having his Hazard level reached 4.4 which is much higher in both resistance and power.
for example a single scratch from Muzan is enough to immediately transform or kill a normal person, but a willing demon slayer would require several days to transform into a demon.
The same could be said about anyone who got their Hazard level reach level 2. They wont get turned into a smash, but get exposed to higher Hazard level could either kill them or turned into smash.
Muzan fought multiple prodigies with precognition at the same time, so he should be able to adapt especially if he is getting faster and stronger at an explosive rate.
Well yes, but what about the opponent that record every behaviors and combat datas of Muzan and explosively choose the best counter and the best solution to deal with him ? For the being getting stronger and faster, the same could be said for Black Hazard as well, but how far could Muzan reach ? As shown in the video, Sento's Hazard level rises in seconds, and given enough time fighting in Black Hazard form, he could reach Evolt's level as well. And Sento starting in higher AP as well, he stomped Smashes on Akaba's level (198.4 tons of tnt) while Muzan scales to baseline 100 tnt. Not to mention Sento's punches carries the descontruction ability as well
I dont think that's how Hazard level work. It never goes down but only raise up. And in Kamen Rider Rouge mini-series has confirmed that the way to raise one's Hazard level is keep on triggering his own emotion, as seen when Gentoku raising his Hazard level by keep on triggering his own survival instinct.
And reaching level 5 isnt really impossible, Sento's father was able to curbstomped the Genius form just using normal RabbitTank bestmatch, showing that his Hazard level was higher despite not harness any kind of special power from Pandora Box other than Nebula Gas (just like everyone else).
The Nebula Gas (The powercore of KR Build characters) has shown the power to affect the spirit as well. The queen of Mar, who only exist as a spirit inside another young girl's body also get affected by it, despite the fact that the queen's Hazard level is really high herself to the point she can manipulate the Pandora Box to some extend, but being exposed to the higher level Nebula Gas causes her goes insane and attack her comrades.
Another feat for Nebula Gas's soul manipulation is when Sento transfer the queen's spirit into Banjo (Who just has enough hazard level to endure the alteration)
From what I read, Sento was incapacitated by Evol's poison (he didn't die which is a resistance feat, but he was incapacitated)
Didnt that happpened like... at the beginning of the series ? when his Hazard level still below 2 ? This Sento is having his Hazard level reached 4.4 which is much higher in both resistance and power.
for example a single scratch from Muzan is enough to immediately transform or kill a normal person, but a willing demon slayer would require several days to transform into a demon.
The same could be said about anyone who got their Hazard level reach level 2. They wont get turned into a smash, but get exposed to higher Hazard level could either kill them or turned into smash.
Muzan fought multiple prodigies with precognition at the same time, so he should be able to adapt especially if he is getting faster and stronger at an explosive rate.
Well yes, but what about the opponent that record every behaviors and combat datas of Muzan and explosively choose the best counter and the best solution to deal with him ? For the being getting stronger and faster, the same could be said for Black Hazard as well, but how far could Muzan reach ? As shown in the video, Sento's Hazard level rises in seconds, and given enough time fighting in Black Hazard form, he could reach Evolt's level as well. And Sento starting in higher AP as well, he stomped Smashes on Akaba's level (198.4 tons of tnt) while Muzan scales to baseline 100 tnt. Not to mention Sento's punches carries the descontruction ability as well
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I dont think that's how Hazard level work. It never goes down but only raise up. And in Kamen Rider Rouge mini-series has confirmed that the way to raise one's Hazard level is keep on triggering his own emotion, as seen when Gentoku raising his Hazard level by keep on triggering his own survival instinct.
And reaching level 5 isnt really impossible, Sento's father was able to curbstomped the Genius form just using normal RabbitTank bestmatch, showing that his Hazard level was higher despite not harness any kind of special power from Pandora Box other than Nebula Gas (just like everyone else).
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The Fear Manipulation page states that Mystic type Fear Manipulation requires resistance to magic. I don't believe Sento has magic/chi/spirit/aura or such, so he would be unprotected. Even if we ignore the psychology, Muzan's aura can cause internal bleeding like what happened with Akaza.
Evolt's poison can disintegrate people not just give them fever, so does it no longer count as a poison? A poison is a substance that causes averse effects to an organism, and Muzan describes his blood as a Poison.
There is a cap for Sento, since reaching Hazard Level 5 naturally is said to be an impossible feat for a human, and Sento did not reach it naturally. No cap was stated for demons, but it should be reasonable for Muzan to overwhelm especially with demons not having a concept of getting tired (while overwhelming demon slayers who can train for about week without food or sleep and almost no water, and be ready for a prolonged battle that lasts hours afterwards)
Muzan's Regenerationn is instantaneous to the point that it seems like attacks phase through him, which makes most of Sento's attacks useless and gives Muzan the range advantage.
Evolt's poison can disintegrate people not just give them fever, so does it no longer count as a poison? A poison is a substance that causes averse effects to an organism, and Muzan describes his blood as a Poison.
There is a cap for Sento, since reaching Hazard Level 5 naturally is said to be an impossible feat for a human, and Sento did not reach it naturally. No cap was stated for demons, but it should be reasonable for Muzan to overwhelm especially with demons not having a concept of getting tired (while overwhelming demon slayers who can train for about week without food or sleep and almost no water, and be ready for a prolonged battle that lasts hours afterwards)
Muzan's Regenerationn is instantaneous to the point that it seems like attacks phase through him, which makes most of Sento's attacks useless and gives Muzan the range advantage.
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Sorry for posting it late :v but i'm just post my replies to your post above
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Even if he regen, GorillaMond could easily transmute his whole body into diamond. And internal bleeding isnt gonna stop the man, he have been through worse.
Can it? Sento in this key is wayyy past 194 tons which is about double of Muzan, and continue rising. Sento could easily figure a strategy to take Muzan down without much problem. There is also KeyDragon powernull that basically nullified his special ability, RabbitRabbit blitz. And it is doubtful that his attack can even pierce through Sento's Build armor.
Can it? Sento in this key is wayyy past 194 tons which is about double of Muzan, and continue rising. Sento could easily figure a strategy to take Muzan down without much problem. There is also KeyDragon powernull that basically nullified his special ability, RabbitRabbit blitz. And it is doubtful that his attack can even pierce through Sento's Build armor.
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A correction. KeyDragon's null only works in armors. What could work is PhoenixRobo.
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Oh, yeah PhoenixRobo does also exist. Thanks for correction.
He can also goes for KumaTelevi to gleam infos on Muzan himself and his weakness.
He can also goes for KumaTelevi to gleam infos on Muzan himself and his weakness.
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Not really easily. Gorillamond is not agile; he can't jump high for instance and his transmutation needs him to get to short range when Muzan prefers long range. What makes you think Sento can shrug off bleeding from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears?
Also, does Sento even have reactive power levels? Hazard Level indicates resistance to Nebula Gas and acts as a prequisite for using stronger transformations and transformation devices; is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
Muzan doesn't really need to pierce through the armor, since delivering enough damage will cancel a transformation, and allow attacking an unarmored Sento, and the fear hax will make Sento a sitting duck. Muzan can also kill and incap Sento by absorbing him. Furthermore the Driver doesn't have self-repair, so it can be attacked once Muzan notices it is important.
Normal attacks such as by RabbitRabbit are useless, which is why demon vs demon battles in general are considered useless.
Also, does Sento even have reactive power levels? Hazard Level indicates resistance to Nebula Gas and acts as a prequisite for using stronger transformations and transformation devices; is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
Muzan doesn't really need to pierce through the armor, since delivering enough damage will cancel a transformation, and allow attacking an unarmored Sento, and the fear hax will make Sento a sitting duck. Muzan can also kill and incap Sento by absorbing him. Furthermore the Driver doesn't have self-repair, so it can be attacked once Muzan notices it is important.
Normal attacks such as by RabbitRabbit are useless, which is why demon vs demon battles in general are considered useless.
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About to going to work so i can answer the simple things :v
is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
Sento's father using RabbitTank and NinjaComic to curbstomb Sento's TankTank form should be enough to tell us that what is more matter when it's come to sheer power, Hazard level or Transformation device.
And yes, the stronger Bottles can giving Sento a boost in power as well, but each of them has it's own reason to be used :
Black Hazard : Raising Hazard level and giving Sento's neccessary power to overcome enemy
RabbitRabbit and TankTank : Controling the Black Hazard and giving Black Hazard a boost in Speed or Strenght.
Genius: Capable of using 60 FullBottles at once and having an extremely important purification function.
is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
Sento's father using RabbitTank and NinjaComic to curbstomb Sento's TankTank form should be enough to tell us that what is more matter when it's come to sheer power, Hazard level or Transformation device.
And yes, the stronger Bottles can giving Sento a boost in power as well, but each of them has it's own reason to be used :
Black Hazard : Raising Hazard level and giving Sento's neccessary power to overcome enemy
RabbitRabbit and TankTank : Controling the Black Hazard and giving Black Hazard a boost in Speed or Strenght.
Genius: Capable of using 60 FullBottles at once and having an extremely important purification function.
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To not to mention that Genius also has the Progress Vapor that the Hazard Trigger use to power-up the form and the component that the RabbitTank Bottle has to give him control over Hazard Form.
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Yes, Hazard level are very much important to power level. We can see how something like RabbitTank damage Evolto despite being literally the weakest link.
There is also Sento's dad that the guy mentioned above. And he is only not agile compare to other form, with Analytic Prediction and Muzan not knowing Sento trick at all. A simple touch would turn Muzan into diamonds and it's a GG for him.
AMD again? Why would fear hax work? Is it because its spiritual in nature? Mind resistance always cover a much more variety of effect with fear hax only being a subset of mind resistance. And I'm sure that breaking out of mind hax from a time traveling, history stealing, kinda planet busting entity is better than anything Muzan have in his arsenal.
Not going into thing like the fact that Muzan are not impressive compare to other ar all.
There is also Sento's dad that the guy mentioned above. And he is only not agile compare to other form, with Analytic Prediction and Muzan not knowing Sento trick at all. A simple touch would turn Muzan into diamonds and it's a GG for him.
AMD again? Why would fear hax work? Is it because its spiritual in nature? Mind resistance always cover a much more variety of effect with fear hax only being a subset of mind resistance. And I'm sure that breaking out of mind hax from a time traveling, history stealing, kinda planet busting entity is better than anything Muzan have in his arsenal.
Not going into thing like the fact that Muzan are not impressive compare to other ar all.
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Not really easily. Gorillamond is not agile; he can't jump high for instance and his transmutation needs him to get to short range when Muzan prefers long range. What makes you think Sento can shrug off bleeding from his eyes, nose, mouth, and ears?
First, GorillaMond Hazard is the double of strong, fast and agile that he normal version maybe more without the extra weight of the Power Glove. Second it isn't the only option he has to counter, he also has for example ToraUFO or PhoenixRobo. All Hazards Forms as the decontruction ability plus the power of the original form. And the guy will power allow him to keep fight with Evolto in the space-time rift without giving out meanwhile he was literally desintegrating and losing power.
Also, does Sento even have reactive power levels? Hazard Level indicates resistance to Nebula Gas and acts as a prequisite for using stronger transformations and transformation devices; is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
The Hazard Level actually infruence the force of the person. The best example is Banjo who time and time again he gets the upperhand on opponents with strongest forms thanks to his abnormally rise of his Hazard Level midfight, like when he fight with Hell Bros in the proxy battle with Seito as Cross-Z Charge (previously without fusing, the Bros kick his ass). And like Magi say, and higher Hazard Level RabbitTank could beat TankTank or Cross-Z Magma.
Muzan doesn't really need to pierce through the armor, since delivering enough damage will cancel a transformation, and allow attacking an unarmored Sento, and the fear hax will make Sento a sitting duck. Muzan can also kill and incap Sento by absorbing him. Furthermore the Driver doesn't have self-repair, so it can be attacked once Muzan notices it is important.
But he needs to do a MASSIVE amount of damage to put him out of Hazard in Overflow Mode. The only ones who manage to do that was the Clone Smashes (and that after a lot of fighting with the Hard Guardians and the Hell Bros inside the Pandora Tower) and Evolto. And good luck trying to broke the Driver. In the series non of the three Build Drivers was destroyed in the series and they fight Evolto directly.
Normal attacks such as by RabbitRabbit are useless, which is why demon vs demon battles in general are considered useless.
RabbitRabbit has the Fullbottle Buster, that give him access to the power of any Fullbottle loaded in it, including Diamond and UFO. Also RabbitRabbit is a speed based form, the heavy one is TankTank.
First, GorillaMond Hazard is the double of strong, fast and agile that he normal version maybe more without the extra weight of the Power Glove. Second it isn't the only option he has to counter, he also has for example ToraUFO or PhoenixRobo. All Hazards Forms as the decontruction ability plus the power of the original form. And the guy will power allow him to keep fight with Evolto in the space-time rift without giving out meanwhile he was literally desintegrating and losing power.
Also, does Sento even have reactive power levels? Hazard Level indicates resistance to Nebula Gas and acts as a prequisite for using stronger transformations and transformation devices; is there something that indicates the old transformation are comparable to the newer ones?
The Hazard Level actually infruence the force of the person. The best example is Banjo who time and time again he gets the upperhand on opponents with strongest forms thanks to his abnormally rise of his Hazard Level midfight, like when he fight with Hell Bros in the proxy battle with Seito as Cross-Z Charge (previously without fusing, the Bros kick his ass). And like Magi say, and higher Hazard Level RabbitTank could beat TankTank or Cross-Z Magma.
Muzan doesn't really need to pierce through the armor, since delivering enough damage will cancel a transformation, and allow attacking an unarmored Sento, and the fear hax will make Sento a sitting duck. Muzan can also kill and incap Sento by absorbing him. Furthermore the Driver doesn't have self-repair, so it can be attacked once Muzan notices it is important.
But he needs to do a MASSIVE amount of damage to put him out of Hazard in Overflow Mode. The only ones who manage to do that was the Clone Smashes (and that after a lot of fighting with the Hard Guardians and the Hell Bros inside the Pandora Tower) and Evolto. And good luck trying to broke the Driver. In the series non of the three Build Drivers was destroyed in the series and they fight Evolto directly.
Normal attacks such as by RabbitRabbit are useless, which is why demon vs demon battles in general are considered useless.
RabbitRabbit has the Fullbottle Buster, that give him access to the power of any Fullbottle loaded in it, including Diamond and UFO. Also RabbitRabbit is a speed based form, the heavy one is TankTank.
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The Genius Form requires a pandora box, and he acquired after Sento is beyond 4.4, so Sento doesn't have it this battle.
Whether Mind Manipulation Resistance should work on all types of fear hax is worth a discussion in a CRT, but the current Fear Manipulation page split Fear Manipulation into categories (to avoid a thug scaring a random civilian with a knife counting as "Fear Manipulation"), and the page says that mystical Fear Manipulation requires mystical resistance, which Sento doesn't have making him vulnerable.
From what I've seen Gorillamond is the only counter Sento has; the other transformations don't have anything Muzan can't regenerate from. He would have no problem regenerating from being sliced into tiny pieces (Ufo) or burned (Phoenix) especially since he can survive Regenerationn-negating burns on a cellular level. Even Gorillamond diamond transmutation is not necessarily a guaranteed winning move since Muzan only needs to split a tiny piece of his body to survive (and he can make hundreds of tiny pieces explode in different directions in an instant). Muzan fights from a range and his combat form displayed a total of 19 tentacles/whips so it will be a challenge for Gorillamond to get close, and Sento starts with NinninComic so Gorillamond who isn't agile to begin with will give a speed downgrade.
The Hazard form has "deconstruction" in the loosest sense of the word; punching through an enemy and creating an explosion inside their body. Otherwise Smash bodies explode and disintegrate on their own when they get defeated. Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blasts.
In Episode 44 (The End of Evolto), Evolto's Evol-Trigger gets punched making it short out, which caused Evolto to get paralyzed ("Impossible... I can't move...") and leave his Black Hole Form. This is an exploitable weakness. Well, once Muzan observes the trigger is important he'll invest some of his long-range tentacles to attacking it. Characters not targeting the trigger more often sounds like character-induced stupidity or ignorance.
Whether Mind Manipulation Resistance should work on all types of fear hax is worth a discussion in a CRT, but the current Fear Manipulation page split Fear Manipulation into categories (to avoid a thug scaring a random civilian with a knife counting as "Fear Manipulation"), and the page says that mystical Fear Manipulation requires mystical resistance, which Sento doesn't have making him vulnerable.
From what I've seen Gorillamond is the only counter Sento has; the other transformations don't have anything Muzan can't regenerate from. He would have no problem regenerating from being sliced into tiny pieces (Ufo) or burned (Phoenix) especially since he can survive Regenerationn-negating burns on a cellular level. Even Gorillamond diamond transmutation is not necessarily a guaranteed winning move since Muzan only needs to split a tiny piece of his body to survive (and he can make hundreds of tiny pieces explode in different directions in an instant). Muzan fights from a range and his combat form displayed a total of 19 tentacles/whips so it will be a challenge for Gorillamond to get close, and Sento starts with NinninComic so Gorillamond who isn't agile to begin with will give a speed downgrade.
The Hazard form has "deconstruction" in the loosest sense of the word; punching through an enemy and creating an explosion inside their body. Otherwise Smash bodies explode and disintegrate on their own when they get defeated. Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blasts.
In Episode 44 (The End of Evolto), Evolto's Evol-Trigger gets punched making it short out, which caused Evolto to get paralyzed ("Impossible... I can't move...") and leave his Black Hole Form. This is an exploitable weakness. Well, once Muzan observes the trigger is important he'll invest some of his long-range tentacles to attacking it. Characters not targeting the trigger more often sounds like character-induced stupidity or ignorance.
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From what I've seen Gorillamond is the only counter Sento has; the other transformations don't have anything Muzan can't regenerate from. He would have no problem regenerating from being sliced into tiny pieces (Ufo) or burned (Phoenix) especially since he can survive Regenerationn-negating burns on a cellular level.
And what about being size reduced and being throw into another space (UFO) or having to fight an opponent with flames that neutralize his attacks (Phoenix)?
Muzan fights from a range and his combat form displayed a total of 19 tentacles/whips so it will be a challenge for Gorillamond to get close, and Sento starts with NinninComic so Gorillamond who isn't agile to begin with will give a speed downgrade.
And what about NinjaDiamond? i remenber you that he has Trials Forms too.
Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blasts.
When loaded with a single Fullbottle (Fullbottle Break Attack), the Fullbottle Buster shoot an attack with the power of that bottle, example load Spider and it shoot a spiderweb that can even restrain Evol Phase 1.
In Episode 44 (The End of Evolto), Evolto's Evol-Trigger gets punched making it short out, which caused Evolto to get paralyzed ("Impossible... I can't move...") and leave his Black Hole Form. This is an exploitable weakness. Well, once Muzan observes the trigger is important he'll invest some of his long-range tentacles to attacking it. Characters not targeting the trigger more often sounds like character-induced stupidity or ignorance.
Ok, i have to remenber somethings first: 1. The Evol-Trigger was punched with the Blizzard Knuckle, a weapon designed to do that. 2. Evolto lose the Black Hole on purpoise, because he lose it when he insert some of his genetics in Utsumi. When Rogue broke the Trigger (after having of attack it multiple times plus his Crack-Up Finish) he never return back into Black Hole Form or his Phase 1 form.
And what about being size reduced and being throw into another space (UFO) or having to fight an opponent with flames that neutralize his attacks (Phoenix)?
Muzan fights from a range and his combat form displayed a total of 19 tentacles/whips so it will be a challenge for Gorillamond to get close, and Sento starts with NinninComic so Gorillamond who isn't agile to begin with will give a speed downgrade.
And what about NinjaDiamond? i remenber you that he has Trials Forms too.
Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blasts.
When loaded with a single Fullbottle (Fullbottle Break Attack), the Fullbottle Buster shoot an attack with the power of that bottle, example load Spider and it shoot a spiderweb that can even restrain Evol Phase 1.
In Episode 44 (The End of Evolto), Evolto's Evol-Trigger gets punched making it short out, which caused Evolto to get paralyzed ("Impossible... I can't move...") and leave his Black Hole Form. This is an exploitable weakness. Well, once Muzan observes the trigger is important he'll invest some of his long-range tentacles to attacking it. Characters not targeting the trigger more often sounds like character-induced stupidity or ignorance.
Ok, i have to remenber somethings first: 1. The Evol-Trigger was punched with the Blizzard Knuckle, a weapon designed to do that. 2. Evolto lose the Black Hole on purpoise, because he lose it when he insert some of his genetics in Utsumi. When Rogue broke the Trigger (after having of attack it multiple times plus his Crack-Up Finish) he never return back into Black Hole Form or his Phase 1 form.
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Why does Sento need mystical resistance toward Muzan fearhax? At best, Muzan fearhax only caused minor biology damage and paralysis the enemy and there isn't any mystical about it, it'sn't compare to what the Nebulas Gas can do such as affect even souls and completely alter your body into a Smash, Sento experience in participating war should harden his mind enough for any kind of psychology damage could done.ShadowWhoWalks said:
The Hazard form has "deconstruction" in the loosest sense of the word; punching through an enemy and creating an explosion inside their body. Otherwise Smash bodies explode and disintegrate on their own when they get defeated. Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blasts.
Uh no, that's just the effect we've seen on the screen, the full description about it is on KR Wiki.
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And in the official site that where it comes the info.
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Please define mystical. Or we can just say powers of Pandora Box is also magic of Blood Planet since it utilize on a certain type of energy like mana (Pandora Box's energies). And it was able to show the power to manipulates elements (phoenix, Harinezume, Dragon bottles,ect) technology (tank, helicopter, rocket,ect), soul manipulation (manipulated Queen of Mars soul), parallel worlds boundary manipulation.
Hell, even the Magic page said by itself
Highly advaced technology is also nigh-indistinguishable from magic. As a result, what seems magical can one day become natural with the development of science and technology. For example, a primitive man might consider a computer magical, while for us it's just a regular form of technology.
so yeah.
The Hazard form has "deconstruction" in the loosest sense of the word; punching through an enemy and creating an explosion inside their body.
The description was given in a japanese official page (like this one for Thouser) and the wiki provided us a translation
Otherwise Smash bodies explode and disintegrate on their own when they get defeated.
It's a feat for the smash's resistance to Desconstruction. But if Sento did hit them hard enough, they get disintergrated into dust
Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blast
Hell, even the Magic page said by itself
Highly advaced technology is also nigh-indistinguishable from magic. As a result, what seems magical can one day become natural with the development of science and technology. For example, a primitive man might consider a computer magical, while for us it's just a regular form of technology.
so yeah.
The Hazard form has "deconstruction" in the loosest sense of the word; punching through an enemy and creating an explosion inside their body.
The description was given in a japanese official page (like this one for Thouser) and the wiki provided us a translation
Otherwise Smash bodies explode and disintegrate on their own when they get defeated.
It's a feat for the smash's resistance to Desconstruction. But if Sento did hit them hard enough, they get disintergrated into dust
Didn't find information that the Fullbottle Buster allows Sento the copy the abilities of other fullbottles, however different combinations of fullbottles slotted in can allow for more powerful slashes or energy blast
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About mind haxing Sento. Please remember that this guy tried to uses his history-altering power to brainwash Sento but Sento is perfectly immune to it. And for the record, Pandora box affect soul; mind; biological body and the parallel world existence of it's victim. Sento and other Build fighters resisted all of this. Well, maybe not much on the last one, since Kasumi, Gentoku, Utsumi and Misora forgot about the event of KR Build, but Banjo and Sento resisted the effect of timelines fusion.
So yeah, end of the record.
So yeah, end of the record.
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So browsed the official site, so apparently the translation of the Gorillamond official page (at #13) says that the conversion device can turn the surrounding and *weak enemies* into diamond. So... the threshold for weak enemies is not really high since the diamond half-body was only used in the beginning of the series, and not even directly on enemies. So transmutation wouldn't be a reliable win condition (especially with Muzan being able to divide himself and regenerate elsewhere) or one Sento would even likely try. Shooting the web shows that the Fullbottle Buster can potential shoot diamond transmutation, but that is merely speculative since there are no clear rules; for all we know it shoots regular diamonds or a blue-colored energy blast (in contrast to Rabbit causing it to shoot a red-colored energy blast).
The Hazard form does have deconstruction, but according to the description from the official site, the armor allows for deconstructing objects that comes in contact with the fist or soles; there is no indication that it is an AoE thing since the description says that it allows Sento to pierce through the enemies' armor and strike their exposed vitals with energy. so while it is very useful to break through the opponent's guard and armor, It isn't enough to kill Muzan since his instant Regenerationn is not slowed down. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3396883#39
The Robophoenix allows for Invulnerability (more accurate than "Power Negation" like what is written in Sento's profile) while his finisher is active, but it is not like the flames are going to shut down Muzan's Regenerationn, especially with him constantly resisting Regenerationn-negating burns on a cellular level on part of his flesh.
ToraUFO is the most viable win-con so far since it is a potential BFR in theory, but in practice it sucked up the robotic Guardians and instantly sent them back chopped up which implies some unidentified time shenanigans after the abduction. The fact that there is zero delay puts the potential BFR capabilities under question.
There is a distinction made between mind manipulation and fear manipulation, and the type of fear manipulation is what is important to determine relevant resistance (as I said, this is worth a discussion in a CRT which could go either way). While resistance to mind manipulation can protect from a mind manipulation-based fear manipulation, resistance to magic is required for magic-based fear manipulation.
Magic being almost indistinguishable from technology is called technomagic, which is by itself not relevant (being able to use computers that people a thousand years ago would consider magic doesn't give me resistance to magic). Aura in KnY correlates with "battle spirit" which is akin to [Chi Manipulation] and has nothing to do with technology; one's ability to resist the fear aura is not dependent on their mental state, which is why Sento needs chi/spiritual sort of defense to equalize the verses. If there was something like "The Pandora Box tried to absorb Sento's soul but he resisted" I would agree he has resistance against the fear hax, but simply using a device that is partially made from souls is not enough.
The Hazard form does have deconstruction, but according to the description from the official site, the armor allows for deconstructing objects that comes in contact with the fist or soles; there is no indication that it is an AoE thing since the description says that it allows Sento to pierce through the enemies' armor and strike their exposed vitals with energy. so while it is very useful to break through the opponent's guard and armor, It isn't enough to kill Muzan since his instant Regenerationn is not slowed down. https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3396883#39
The Robophoenix allows for Invulnerability (more accurate than "Power Negation" like what is written in Sento's profile) while his finisher is active, but it is not like the flames are going to shut down Muzan's Regenerationn, especially with him constantly resisting Regenerationn-negating burns on a cellular level on part of his flesh.
ToraUFO is the most viable win-con so far since it is a potential BFR in theory, but in practice it sucked up the robotic Guardians and instantly sent them back chopped up which implies some unidentified time shenanigans after the abduction. The fact that there is zero delay puts the potential BFR capabilities under question.
There is a distinction made between mind manipulation and fear manipulation, and the type of fear manipulation is what is important to determine relevant resistance (as I said, this is worth a discussion in a CRT which could go either way). While resistance to mind manipulation can protect from a mind manipulation-based fear manipulation, resistance to magic is required for magic-based fear manipulation.
Magic being almost indistinguishable from technology is called technomagic, which is by itself not relevant (being able to use computers that people a thousand years ago would consider magic doesn't give me resistance to magic). Aura in KnY correlates with "battle spirit" which is akin to [Chi Manipulation] and has nothing to do with technology; one's ability to resist the fear aura is not dependent on their mental state, which is why Sento needs chi/spiritual sort of defense to equalize the verses. If there was something like "The Pandora Box tried to absorb Sento's soul but he resisted" I would agree he has resistance against the fear hax, but simply using a device that is partially made from souls is not enough.
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The problem is that mind manip also extending to fear manip due to fear manip is simply just an extension of empathic manip which is an extension of mind manip as well.
And why would device partially made from soul not be enough when the goddamn device have enough power to wipe out the surface of planet?
Even then Sento still have transmutation which should easily be strong enough to turn Muzan into diamond.
And why would device partially made from soul not be enough when the goddamn device have enough power to wipe out the surface of planet?
Even then Sento still have transmutation which should easily be strong enough to turn Muzan into diamond.
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Empathic Manipulation is usually (and not neccessarily) associated with Mind Manipulation, however it can be done through other means such as Biological Manipulation (and magic).
We can have a gun that is powered by radioactive material, but unless it is confirmed that the user is no-selling the radiation we can't just give the user a Resistance to Radiation Manipulation. I don't believe it is stated that Sento had to wrestle with the souls or prevented his soul from getting absorbed.
As mentioned in my previous commented, the diamond transmutation is stated to only works with weak enemies (which appeared in the first few episodes, and even then Sento did not try to transmute them directly), which makes it an unreliable tool Sento is unlikely to use. (Not to mention that Muzan is capable of survival by splitting his body)
We can have a gun that is powered by radioactive material, but unless it is confirmed that the user is no-selling the radiation we can't just give the user a Resistance to Radiation Manipulation. I don't believe it is stated that Sento had to wrestle with the souls or prevented his soul from getting absorbed.
As mentioned in my previous commented, the diamond transmutation is stated to only works with weak enemies (which appeared in the first few episodes, and even then Sento did not try to transmute them directly), which makes it an unreliable tool Sento is unlikely to use. (Not to mention that Muzan is capable of survival by splitting his body)
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Just to make sure this thread is still continue, i'm give my argument:
@ShadowWhoWalks
You keep assuming that Muzan fearhax can work against Sento because it's magic. What is the different actually? Nebula Gas originally came from the Pandora Box, which is basically a weapon that caused supernatural phenomenas and ***** like that. Yeah it's basically technology and magic combined but really, what the different?
Diamond transmutation can still work, nothing implied that Muzan resist it. About it only work against weak enemies is because Sento was trying to collect their essence, not killing them. Later in series, the enemies are much stronger and more versatile so they can easily countered it, Evolto for example. This is a different matches where he is willing to kill and most likely gonna use it against Muzan, once it worked, Muzan body mass will be reduced and splitting his body won't help.
Deconstruction, regardless how you see, it main ability is to disassemble and disperse anything that comes into contact with it, Muzan regen ain't gonna help when it will break down his body to molecule-level, unless he had High regen. Any forms + Hazard Trigger basically mean a game changing.
Not to forgot about Sento AP adavantage here, his bigger scaling chain mean that every attacks will deal large damage to Muzan and Sento will keep overpowering him, leaving him no chance to fight back.
By far, HawkGatling + Hazard Trigger is the best opinion since Sento could just keep snip Muzan from above and if needeed use his finisher which traps him in a black cloud then performs a series of purple blasts with the Hawk Gatlinger.
@ShadowWhoWalks
You keep assuming that Muzan fearhax can work against Sento because it's magic. What is the different actually? Nebula Gas originally came from the Pandora Box, which is basically a weapon that caused supernatural phenomenas and ***** like that. Yeah it's basically technology and magic combined but really, what the different?
Diamond transmutation can still work, nothing implied that Muzan resist it. About it only work against weak enemies is because Sento was trying to collect their essence, not killing them. Later in series, the enemies are much stronger and more versatile so they can easily countered it, Evolto for example. This is a different matches where he is willing to kill and most likely gonna use it against Muzan, once it worked, Muzan body mass will be reduced and splitting his body won't help.
Deconstruction, regardless how you see, it main ability is to disassemble and disperse anything that comes into contact with it, Muzan regen ain't gonna help when it will break down his body to molecule-level, unless he had High regen. Any forms + Hazard Trigger basically mean a game changing.
Not to forgot about Sento AP adavantage here, his bigger scaling chain mean that every attacks will deal large damage to Muzan and Sento will keep overpowering him, leaving him no chance to fight back.
By far, HawkGatling + Hazard Trigger is the best opinion since Sento could just keep snip Muzan from above and if needeed use his finisher which traps him in a black cloud then performs a series of purple blasts with the Hawk Gatlinger.
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Pandora's Box doesn't give soul/chi/magic based resistance, neither does the Pandora Gas, per current wiki instruction (which is as I said is worth a CRT to discuss) they would be required for that type of Fear Hax. In KnY universe, people who have inferior Battle Spirit get passively overwhelmed, but Sento doesn't have any..
My argument for the diamond transmutation was: 1- It is stated in the website that it only works on weak enemies (Diamond Halfbody was only used in the first handful of episodes), it seem to be out of character for Sento to use it since he has never canonicly tried to transmute an enemy, and Muzan can potentially survive by splitting his body and regenerating a new body in the blink of an eye (vastly inferior demons have demonstrated full-body Regenerationn in a manner that was described to be very fast )
As I explained, Sento's fists are far too small to completly disintegrate a Muzan who'll regenerate immedietly, so they are not reliable. For example, having his finger disintegrated doesn't mean that he needs High regen to regrow a new finger from his undisintegrated arm.
Unless there is Regenerationn negation (and even then, Muzan has feats of resisting Regenerationn nullification weapons and attacks), attacks on demons are considered a waste of time since they immedietly regenerate. Tactics are part of the equation, and Sento has a weakpoint on the device can recognize is related to his power.
Muzan can snipe too by the way.
My argument for the diamond transmutation was: 1- It is stated in the website that it only works on weak enemies (Diamond Halfbody was only used in the first handful of episodes), it seem to be out of character for Sento to use it since he has never canonicly tried to transmute an enemy, and Muzan can potentially survive by splitting his body and regenerating a new body in the blink of an eye (vastly inferior demons have demonstrated full-body Regenerationn in a manner that was described to be very fast )
As I explained, Sento's fists are far too small to completly disintegrate a Muzan who'll regenerate immedietly, so they are not reliable. For example, having his finger disintegrated doesn't mean that he needs High regen to regrow a new finger from his undisintegrated arm.
Unless there is Regenerationn negation (and even then, Muzan has feats of resisting Regenerationn nullification weapons and attacks), attacks on demons are considered a waste of time since they immedietly regenerate. Tactics are part of the equation, and Sento has a weakpoint on the device can recognize is related to his power.
Muzan can snipe too by the way.
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Mind resistance is mind resistance. That is how thing always work around here and Tid 2C/2B mind hax doesn't work on Sento then there is absolutely no way that Muzan fear has could ever hope to work. And if you are going to argue that Muzan fear has somehow grant privilege over resistance way above his league then sure do you do.
And Muzan IS weak enemies comparing to Sento. His stat and scaling chains way surpass Muzan. And this thing work on Bugster something far more exotic as an existence than everything that KnY verse have as a whole.
He can still very much incapacitation him in honey forever if he so desire and freezes him. Never mind the fact that he can easily gleam the infos on his power with Televi full bottle as well.
And Sento is much smarter than Muzan and he know that most of his attack can't instantly kill Demon. So it is easy Hazard time that Sento is going to proceed to beat Muzan.
And Muzan IS weak enemies comparing to Sento. His stat and scaling chains way surpass Muzan. And this thing work on Bugster something far more exotic as an existence than everything that KnY verse have as a whole.
He can still very much incapacitation him in honey forever if he so desire and freezes him. Never mind the fact that he can easily gleam the infos on his power with Televi full bottle as well.
And Sento is much smarter than Muzan and he know that most of his attack can't instantly kill Demon. So it is easy Hazard time that Sento is going to proceed to beat Muzan.
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@ShadowWhoWalks
Sento in-character isn't willing to kill, unless Evolto's involved, hence we got entirely arc where Sento dealing with his PTSD after killing one of Grease's friend. Diamond transmutation is near-instant, by the time Muzan realized most of his body is already affected.
Sento fists doesn't affect Hazard deconstruction ability, just touching it will break down Muzan body on molecule-level, which is how Deconstruction work in general. Having his molecules disassembled isn't the same as regen from a small pieces of body.
It's not like Muzan know about Sento weakpoint or anything. Hell, even if he knew Sento should have enough experienced to avoid it at this point of series.
Sento gatling gun can snip better than Muzan, btw.
Sento in-character isn't willing to kill, unless Evolto's involved, hence we got entirely arc where Sento dealing with his PTSD after killing one of Grease's friend. Diamond transmutation is near-instant, by the time Muzan realized most of his body is already affected.
Sento fists doesn't affect Hazard deconstruction ability, just touching it will break down Muzan body on molecule-level, which is how Deconstruction work in general. Having his molecules disassembled isn't the same as regen from a small pieces of body.
It's not like Muzan know about Sento weakpoint or anything. Hell, even if he knew Sento should have enough experienced to avoid it at this point of series.
Sento gatling gun can snip better than Muzan, btw.
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There is still the problem of the diamond transmutation only working on "weak" opponents as stated by the official website. The transmutation is fast, but isn't near-instant since we are talking about beginning of series speed which allows Muzan plenty of time to split into many pieces if he wants.
The official website which confirms the deconstruction ability states that deconstruction is through the fist and soles, and can be used to break through the opponent's armor to attack their exposed center. It is not like Sento needs to touch Muzan with a finger for him to completly turn to dust. He'll only disintegrate the area touched by his fist, which is small and allows Muzan to immedietly regenerate it.
If Sento is transforming, Muzan should figure out the device is important. It should be an obvious target if Sento is armored.
There is still the problem of the diamond transmutation only working on "weak" opponents as stated by the official website. The transmutation is fast, but isn't near-instant since we are talking about beginning of series speed which allows Muzan plenty of time to split into many pieces if he wants.
The official website which confirms the deconstruction ability states that deconstruction is through the fist and soles, and can be used to break through the opponent's armor to attack their exposed center. It is not like Sento needs to touch Muzan with a finger for him to completly turn to dust. He'll only disintegrate the area touched by his fist, which is small and allows Muzan to immedietly regenerate it.
If Sento is transforming, Muzan should figure out the device is important. It should be an obvious target if Sento is armored.
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Just because it said that diamond transmutation only working on "weak" opponents doesn't mean it don't work on stronger character, i already explain above why Sento won't use it to kill in-character. Diamond transmutation is indeed very fast and affect on large scale too, not just Muzan but entire environment as well so i doubt Muzan would have time to split himself without get caught by it. Even if we take the unjustifiable fact above is true, Muzan is consider weaker than Sento in AP so it's still work.
Again, Deconstruction break down body on molecule-level, it doesn't matter where Sento hit him, Muzan can't regen from it even if just a finger.
In the series, many characters know this obviously fact too and yet nobody was able to do it because Sento is completely aware of it and have many ways to prevent them to do.
Just because it said that diamond transmutation only working on "weak" opponents doesn't mean it don't work on stronger character, i already explain above why Sento won't use it to kill in-character. Diamond transmutation is indeed very fast and affect on large scale too, not just Muzan but entire environment as well so i doubt Muzan would have time to split himself without get caught by it. Even if we take the unjustifiable fact above is true, Muzan is consider weaker than Sento in AP so it's still work.
Again, Deconstruction break down body on molecule-level, it doesn't matter where Sento hit him, Muzan can't regen from it even if just a finger.
In the series, many characters know this obviously fact too and yet nobody was able to do it because Sento is completely aware of it and have many ways to prevent them to do.
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Didn't understand your point on how it not working on weak characters doesn't imply it doesn't works on strong characters. Fast but perceivable compared to beginning of series Sento, but we are talking about much faster speeds. The description doesn't say "weaker" enemies, only "weak" enemies.
Deconstruction doesn't have full-body deconstruction or AoE feats; if it did then there wouldn't be need to discover the ability by reading the official website. The area affected is too small to pose any threat to Muzan's instant Regenerationn.
The weakness was introduced to the audience very late-series (it is very possible the writers didn't envision it for most of the series), and there is no indication the weakness is well-known.
Didn't understand your point on how it not working on weak characters doesn't imply it doesn't works on strong characters. Fast but perceivable compared to beginning of series Sento, but we are talking about much faster speeds. The description doesn't say "weaker" enemies, only "weak" enemies.
Deconstruction doesn't have full-body deconstruction or AoE feats; if it did then there wouldn't be need to discover the ability by reading the official website. The area affected is too small to pose any threat to Muzan's instant Regenerationn.
The weakness was introduced to the audience very late-series (it is very possible the writers didn't envision it for most of the series), and there is no indication the weakness is well-known.
