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[TOAAPRESENCE1]

I guess it's fine, then.

But that means we'll have to revise the AP for characters like Nerobasta.

i mean, magic does not = AP, as we see they are separated categories

 

[ByAsura]

That depends on the magical ability. Like the Giant's earth manipulation and Hellblaze are AP, but they just may or may not scale to physicals depending on the character (eg. Drole and Monspeet don't, but Meliodas and Diane's do).

 

[TOAAPRESENCE1]

That depends on the magical ability. Like the Giant's earth manipulation and Hellblaze are AP, but they just may or may not scale to physicals depending on the character (eg. Drole and Monspeet don't, but Meliodas and Diane's do).

im mostly talking bout people like nerobasta, who have no statement or showing of "their magic is = to their AP"


the examples u said are of characters that specifically turn magic into AP

 

[ByAsura]

I'd still disagree when it comes to Nerobasta's Ark because we've seen high-level and fodder Goddesses (like the one that fought Rou) alike only harm people that can withstand their own blows, but it's a different case with Demons specifically.

 

[speedster352]

That depends on the magical ability. Like the Giant's earth manipulation and Hellblaze are AP, but they just may or may not scale to physicals depending on the character (eg. Drole and Monspeet don't, but Meliodas and Diane's do).

Let’s not get sidetracked what changes need to be made to the crt before it the changes can be applied.

 

[ByAsura]

Other changes have to be made for resistant to existence erasure to get accepted in the first place. But it seems everyone unanimously agrees to remove the part where Goddess magic requires equal AP.

 

[speedster352]

Other changes have to be made for resistant to existence erasure to get accepted in the first place. But it seems everyone unanimously agrees.

What about resistance to regeneration negation(Meliodas and possibly other high ranking demons)?

 

[ByAsura]

We've already talked about that.

 

[speedster352]

We've already talked about that.

Oh yeah. We agreed

 

[speedster352]

Then maybe AM Meliodas can have resistance to regen negation compared to Estarossa and other Demons.

 

[speedster352]

What about resistance to regeneration negation(Meliodas and possibly other high ranking demons)?

Zeldris, Meliodas and maybe DK should have NPI with Intangibility and SD should have Intangibility due to she is a light

You can add it.

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

You can add it.

I'd remove the Intangibility for Supreme Deity since it's not meant to be taken literally

 

[Rabbit2002]

He was shown to be intact before using the Commandment and then escaped, so we can't confirm if he was reduced to molecules.

Simply regenerating from damages sustained by this kind of attack isn't enough.

Is it possible for DK to scale through Etarossa's resistance to matter manipulation ?

 

[ByAsura]

I'd give them a possibly.

He escaped from the dimension at virtually the same time they did, and it's stated he'd need power on par with them to do that. So he most likely did recover while the disintegration was active (making it resistance), but it's entirely possible it just didn't work on him anymore because he's as powerful as they are.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Did anyone read the estarossa goddess physiology agurment

 

[ByAsura]

I only read page 3 of the thread and the OP. What's the argument?

 

[Lormac_CC]

I only read page 3 of the thread and the OP. What's the argument?

Estarossa has a goddess physiology

 

[Lormac_CC]

So estarossa took that molecular attack 3 panels (started at the end of a chapter and ended in the next chapter) at the very least he should have some resistance. The attack did do some damage since he had to heal from it. Healing from the attack would contradict the angels since they said it is an attack demons can't regenerate from. It would also contradict the idea that demons die after losing their heart, but then estarossa isn't really a demon and doesn't really have their physiology

Not using goddess ability wouldn't change the fact that he doesn't have demon physiology. The commandments wouldn't grant him seven heart. It just gave him darkness, wiped away his memory and made him unstable

To further solidify my point

Estarossa tanked Elizabeth ark and was fine with no damage, the angels where even surprised. Elizabeth immediately after awaken used ark to destroy a commandment hand. Estarossa should have goddess physiology

 

[ByAsura]

I still have problems with resistance since it most likely just takes time to disintegrate him. Also, that wasn't light magic, it was just their graces, and Estarossa's healing probably had to do with the fact that he had two Commandments. To substantiate my point, they note Elizabeth's Ark did nothing and then proceed to do nothing themselves with light magic, so that's obviously what they're referring to. On the other hand, he's clearly shown to be in the process of disintegrating from the Graces, meaning it obviously was damaging him.

Anyway, onto what aspects of Goddess physiology he'd retain, it's shown with Gowther himself that memory erasure on this level can heavily alter certain characteristics, like power level and abilities.

Estarossa would definitely retain the intrinsic characteristics, but he doesn't seem to retain anything that's not passive. So I think he should only get self-sustenance and resistances.

 

[Lormac_CC]

Also, that wasn't light magic, it was just their graces,

Goddess magic in general are referred to as light. also I think you are misunderstanding stuff, I am talking about the fight in general not the combo.

Anyway, onto what aspects of Goddess physiology he'd retain

Mainly just his goddess body, magic that would EE a demon had no effect him

it's shown with Gowther himself that memory erasure on this level can heavily alter certain characteristics

Yeah certain visible characteristics, not all. Like removing his wings and taking his grace

 

[Lormac_CC]

Estarossa would definitely retain the intrinsic characteristics, but he doesn't seem to retain anything that's not passive

Agree with this

 

[ByAsura]

Graces aren't Goddess magic in general, and haven't shown the ability to break down Demons. It also doesn't really make that much sense with Flash being super speed. You talked about resistance to molecularization, so I got confused.

EE not being effective I can agree with.

What do you mean by not at all?

 

[speedster352]

How many people agree with this thread so far?

 

[speedster352]

bump

 

[PrinceofPein]

You may need to calm down and only bump the thread after 8-12hrs of inactivity

 

[speedster352]

Bump

 

[Rabbit2002]

Here is a summary of what everyone feels okay and agrees with

Addition:
Arthur Pendragon:

• Instince Reaction via Dance of Avidya a technique created by a blind swordsman, capable of countering any and all manner of surprise attacks.
• Multiple Selves (Type 1): Due to Chaos is living inside him.

Chaos:

• Self-Sustenance (Type 2): Due to he exist as a will and doesn't have physical body.

Merlin:

• Resistance Negation: Double Impact could lower the elemental resistance of other.

Zeldris and Demon King:

• Energy Manipulation, replace with Forcefield Creation and Air Manipulation: via ominous nebula.

Demon King:

• Corrosion Inducement, Mind Manipulation, Corruption: He created a Demon World which was a polluted and corrupted land covered by miasma, all other clan's minds and bodies are prone to rot and decay.
• Incorporeality, Self-Sustenance (Type 1): He could exist as a curse.
• Large Size (Type 3): When possess entire Britannia.
• Resistance to Matter Manipulation: Scaled to Estarossa who survived an attack that destroys on the molecular level.

Zeldris:

• Rage Power: He becomes stronger with his rage.

Chandler and Cusack:

• Resistance to Elemental: According to Merlin, they can resistance to elemental but lightning and wind are the two elements that they have a least resistance against.

Goddess:

• Existence Erasure: According to Q&A Ark of high ranking goddess can destroy both physical body and soul.

Demon:

• Non-Physical Interaction: They can interact with soul.
• Body Control: Scaled to Gray Demon Hendrickson who can move his severed arm.
• Information Manipulation: Gain knowledge of other by eating their soul.
• Resistance to Gravity Manipulation: Scaled to Gray Demon Hendrickson who was unaffected by 30x gravity.
• Resistance to Existence Erasure: High level demons can withstand the high level goddess's ark.
• Resitance to Corrosion Inducement, Mind Manipulation: Demon World is a polluted and corrupted land covered by miasma, all other clan's minds and bodies are prone to rot and decay. (Vampire and Elizabeth should have it, too)

Purgatory survivors

• Resitance to Madness Manipulation (Type 3), Electricity Manipulation, Corruption (Type 2) (Purgatory transforms both physical and spiritual aspects of beings into Purgatory creatures such as Ban and Meliodas. Purgatory also cause the survivors to lose their sanity. Only purgatory survivor could withstand Supreme Deity's God Thunder)

Remove abilities:
Immortality of Faries, Demons should be replaced with Longevity. For Faries lifespan around 1000-1500 years, Demons lifespan is 1000 years.

 

[Rabbit2002]

And i want to add resistance regneration negation for Escarno (Mid-High) and Meliodas (Mid).
As for Escanor, he has the ability to heal even being hit by the flames of purgatory from Meliodas. Meli who has the ability to heal even when hit by the power of Sunshine which made Melascula unable to fully heal.
Paralaysis via Ominous Nebula for Zeldris

 

[Rabbit2002]

Anyway, onto what aspects of Goddess physiology he'd retain, it's shown with Gowther himself that memory erasure on this level can heavily alter certain characteristics, like power level and abilities.

Seem like biological manipulation for Gowther (Demon)

 

[ByAsura]

It's not direct, or anything. He just blocked off access to those parts of his memory, causing his power to fail.

 

[speedster352]

And i want to add regneration negation for Escarno (High-Mid) and Meliodas (Mid).
As for Escanor, he has the ability to heal even being hit by the flames of purgatory from Meliodas. Meli who has the ability to heal even when hit by the power of Sunshine which made Melascula unable to fully heal

Don't forget ominous bind for zeldris which seems to have paralysis inducement

 

[Rabbit2002]

Don't forget ominous bind for zeldris which seems to have paralysis inducement

I'm not sure about that if you want i will add it for you

 

[PrinceofPein]

Don't forget ominous bind for zeldris which seems to have paralysis inducement

It does not paralyze

 

[speedster352]

It does not paralyze

What is it then?

 

[speedster352]

It's not direct, or anything. He just blocked off access to those parts of his memory, causing his power to fail.

What ability does ominous bind fall under?

 

[ByAsura]

I have no idea what that is.

 

[speedster352]

I have no idea what that is.

The move Zeldris used against the SD Paralaysis via Ominous Nebula

And i want to add resistance regneration negation for Escarno (High-Mid) and Meliodas (Mid).
As for Escanor, he has the ability to heal even being hit by the flames of purgatory from Meliodas. Meli who has the ability to heal even when hit by the power of Sunshine which made Melascula unable to fully heal.
Paralaysis via Ominous Nebula for Zeldris

Do you mean mid-high?

 

[ByAsura]

Paralysis seems fine, then.

 

[Rabbit2002]

The move Zeldris used against the SD Paralaysis via Ominous Nebula

Do you mean mid-high?

yeah, i will fix it

 

[speedster352]

So far how many people agree with this thread?