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So, decided to make Ninjago Tier 1 a reality, so...
Where there is light, there will always be shadow - The Overlord to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master
this is what is known as 'The Balance' in the show. The shifting of The Balance causes something, as Wu put it, fundamentally wrong to the universe. Clouse shifting The Balance to darkness poses a threat to the universe and even the multiverse itself, causing The Balance between the two to be destroyed. Wu describes The Balance as being the nature of the universe, that Light and Dark must constantly be in balance and that darkness can never be fully destroyed. The First Spinjitzu Master and The Overlord are both equal beings capable of destroying the balance and thus ending the multiverse. They also represent both sides of the balance, each of them exist in their own realm/dimension located outside of multiverse, and these are also places where their truest selves remain dormant.
(Note: This portion of the FAQ is the same as new one made by Ultima, check it over here)
Take a look at this diagram for how Ethereal Divide work.
Before merging
After merging
Made by @Lloydblitzed
I made now a blog explaining in detail why the cosmology should be 1-C. (Needs minor adjustments)
TLDR
Disagree:
Neutral: @Ar1216789, @Hellformer (Neutral with 1-C), @TheOrangeGuy09 (Neutral with 1-C)
The Multiverse/Realms (2-C)
The 16 Realms is composed of a collection of 16 Realms co-existing with the Ninjago Realm, or in other words, 17 Realms parallel to each other. The Ninjago Realm was implied to be an entire dimension, Additionally, the Realm was implied its own space-time continuum by Zane, a reliable source in the show. Each of the other Realms are parallel to Ninjago, thus indicating each of them contains a space-time. Furthermore, Space was also implied to be part of the Ninjago Realm, and WoG further supports the existance of multiple space-times by stating that the Realms are "places" and don't limit to mere planets at all. Ninjago is also repetively called/referred as a Universe of infinite size. Other Realms were also referred as full dimensions, like with the entirety of the Kingdom of Madness being referred as the Secret Dimension multiple times, and has even shown many, many, many, many (Top left corner) occassions to contain Celestial Bodies and thus an Outer Space![Outer_Space_in_Ninjago_1.png](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025167299818299442/1280771248871182406/Outer_Space_in_Ninjago_1.png?ex=66d94aad&is=66d7f92d&hm=f818f854a9d3e9d7182da64be046917f41e81f37e674039a41c12afa943e6063&)
With all of this information, we can conclude each of the Realms are Low 2-C structures existing seperetly from each other.Zane: And if my memory banks serve correct, space has a way of taking one's breath away, in the negative sense.
Balance (At least 2-C)
This has been talked about in another thread, but i'd adding it in cosmology, being very importance in Ninjago is the one who makes the universes stable and we agreed on it in the past. Light and Dark in the verse act as a duality to eachother as The Overlord saysWhere there is light, there will always be shadow - The Overlord to Ultimate Spinjitzu Master
this is what is known as 'The Balance' in the show. The shifting of The Balance causes something, as Wu put it, fundamentally wrong to the universe. Clouse shifting The Balance to darkness poses a threat to the universe and even the multiverse itself, causing The Balance between the two to be destroyed. Wu describes The Balance as being the nature of the universe, that Light and Dark must constantly be in balance and that darkness can never be fully destroyed. The First Spinjitzu Master and The Overlord are both equal beings capable of destroying the balance and thus ending the multiverse. They also represent both sides of the balance, each of them exist in their own realm/dimension located outside of multiverse, and these are also places where their truest selves remain dormant.
Time Vortex (Low 1-C)
Before starting with the arguments, let's revise the tiering system FAQ(Note: This portion of the FAQ is the same as new one made by Ultima, check it over here)
From all this info, we can conclude that a space-time continuum can have 2 time axes if it is comprised of uncountably infinite points, each being a static snapshot of regular space-time continuum. Well, then:Q: How do temporal dimensions impact tiering?
A: The relationship between the spatial dimensions of a universe and the additional temporal dimension(s) may be visualized as something akin to the frames of a movie placed side-by-side. Basically, the time-like direction may be thought of as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the whole universe at any given moment, with the set of all such events comprising the totality of spacetime.
This structure can then be generalized to any number of dimensions, which is why destroying a spacetime continuum is a greater feat than destroying only the contents of the physical universe (Low 2-C, rather than 3-A or High 3-A).
A spacetime continuum with two time axes, instead of just one, could likewise be visualized as a line comprised of uncountably infinitely many points, each of which is a static "snapshot" of the entire regular timeline with 3 space and 1 time dimension. It would hence be one uncountably infinite level above a timeline and as such baseline Low 1-C. Similarily, adding even more time dimensions would add one level of dimensional superiority each time.
- Nadakhan, as accepted on his profile, reverted all of Skybound events, and made so he never got out of Tyrahn’s Teapot.
- Time Blades can open the Time Vortex, a tunnel that can lead to any point in time. Time Vortex also allowed Acronix to travel 40 years into the future in time
(and Time Blades too but I’m too lazy to get the clips, my Internet is bad asf rn) - Looking at “edges” of Time Vortex will allow one to see through what point of time they are currently passing through in Time Vortex, as seen when Wu saw they were passing through the present, and Kai and Nya actually got to present.
- A couple of such “snapshots” on edges of Time Vortex include Nadakhan, meaning that Time Vortex, a time-travel tunnel, can lead to the supposedly erased timeline.
The Ethereal Divide (1-C)
Each Realms are seperated by a interdimensional ethereal Realm called the Ethereal Divide, who's also known as the Nothing Space. Its the fabric of reality who seperates all of the 16 Realms from each other. The Divide is used by Dragons or Traveler's Tea users to travel in-between the Realms and it also encompass all of the Realms, and Realms are connected by a path that only goes through Ethereal DivideWhich means that Ethereal Divide is a higher-dimensional space, let's remember that this isn't the only thing that proves this, in Dragon rising Season 1 Episode 1, Mergequakes storm merged all realms and affect all reality. The higher realm was unaffected by the Mergequakes storm and affect all reality. It has its own separate temporality than realms. This is demonstrated by a Mergequakes powers. Since a Mergequakes only work with a higher temporal dimensions, which was able to merged all realms and make them have one time, even though they had a time with a different flows, and is and it cloud destroy all reality.Regarding the Separation of Universes
It should be recognized that travel between universes is not feasible unless through the use of a portal or similar unusual mechanisms. This is because it should be impossible for two distinct universes to be connected by a path that only goes through regular 3 dimensional space. Universes must be separated by something other than 3 dimensional distance or physical barriers, otherwise they would be considered to both be part of one large universe for our tiering purposes.
The most typical example is the presence of a higher dimensional space serving as a separator. In other words, two separate universes coexist in a four dimensional or even higher dimensional space, occupying different position along some additional dimensional axis. Therefore, in order to travel between such universes, the movement must be through the higher dimensional space between them. To summarize, two realms are separated through a higher dimension space if
- A larger space encompasses all the universes or space-times
- This space is of a higher dimensional nature.
Take a look at this diagram for how Ethereal Divide work.
Before merging
![image-316.png](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025167299818299442/1280781737038712853/image-316.png?ex=66d95471&is=66d802f1&hm=5c01e418ce44a71cba6213ba2eecb05f2e7d1e6ffdc5ac914864e572b46d5dcd&)
After merging
![Hgwt0MMh-2.jpg](https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1025167299818299442/1280781682017964105/Hgwt0MMh-2.jpg?ex=66d95464&is=66d802e4&hm=0eb9916e2b1a5f01702be72f367d32e44a357f6ba1f0250a92e05dc432d395a0&)
Made by @Lloydblitzed
TLDR
- The Ethereal Divide is 1-C due to it is space is of a higher dimensional nature with not affected by Mergequakes storm which only work with a higher temporal dimensions, and encompassing 17 universes within itself.
- Source Dragon has to be straight up 1-C due to he can affecting entire cosmology. Also Lloyd Source Dragon Power key up to 1-C due to have power of Source Dragon.
- Source Dragon should be 1-C stats also. Given that the Imperium was a threat to the very fabric of existence and it also affects him too due to capturing a Source Dragon, with Source Dragon himself stating that he can affect and destroy cosmology.
Source Dragon and Lloyd Source Dragon power key should also get both Conceptual Destruction Type 1 due to destroy everything, including The Overlord (embodiment of concept darkness and evil and source of darkness and evil, and he represents darkness), as 3 Realms outside space-time, and one of these realms are the Overlord's dimension in which The Overlord resides.
Disagree:
Neutral: @Ar1216789, @Hellformer (Neutral with 1-C), @TheOrangeGuy09 (Neutral with 1-C)
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