Ninjago DR S2 Update

[Lloydblitzed]

So DR S2 part 2 got released and some profiles should get updates and new keys, as well a new Multiplier. Also have to mention the tiering for all characters (except Jay and Mr Pale) mentionned here should not be changed, rather just scale higher into their tier

1. Shatterspin Multiplier
Inside an official Lego Ninjago Magazine, it was stated that Shatterspin boost one's power tenfold (so 10x). Obviously, it should scale to Wolf Mask Warriors, but also to Cinder, who was stated in the same page to be also affected by the 10x boost given by the Gong of Shattering. This is further supported by the fact Shatterspin was stated to be stronger then the Ninjas' Spinjitzu, something made evident in the show. This boost should thus apply to all Shatterspin/Gong of Shattering users (Cinder, Nokt, Jay)

2. Nokt new keys and scaling
So after part 2, I think we should seperate Nokt's scaling into 3 keys: Post Releasement, Tournament of the Source (From when he starts getting new powers) and All Elemental Powers (For the last 2 episodes of DR S2). I made a Blog containing all his new feats (Everything else in his page is different except the summary part):

Updated Nokt Page | Older/Current Nokt Page

3. Mr.Pale and Jay's new keys and scaling
Mr. Pale was fighting on par with Lloyd and trading blows, which should give him a Universal+ rating under a new key called Dragon Rising (He also implied he was training for all those years, so it would make sense for him to upscale this high). Jay should also get a Universal+ under a new key called Evil Jay, as he was able to harm a Base Nya. His element was also capable of harming Nokt throught Nya, so this could scale to him too

4. Elemental Masters new keys and scaling
So after the last part 2, its should be pretty evident the Elemental Masters would scale at least on the same tier as the Ninjas. In a powerless stated, they were shown to be reletive to Wolf Mask Warriors, being able to harm them just like they could harm the powerless EMs. Those same Wolf Mask Warriors can beat up a Red Form amped Ras and knock him away, as well as cutting off attacks from DR S2 part 1 Wyldfyre and Kai. Overall, Wolf Mask Warrior's related feats should be added in the following profiles with a Tournament of Sources key which get a Universal+ rating:

Mr Pale, Neuro, Chamille, Wyldfyre, Tox, Zur, Sora, Lloyd and any future EM profile from DR S2

5. Sora, Lloyd, Cinder, Nya and Ras new keys and scaling
Let's just make it short here. Here are the updated profiles of these chars with their new feats (A new key (Tournament of the Source or Red Form) with their feats/abilities was added in the updated ver.)
Updated Nya Page | Older/Current Nya page

Updated Lloyd Page | Older/Current Lloyd page

Updated Ras Page | Older/Current Ras page

Updated Sora Page | Older/Current Sora page

Updated Cinder Page | Older/Current Cinder Page

6. Infinite Attack Speed for SDP Lloyd and the Source Dragons
In DR S1 ep 20, Lloyd was able to generate an omnidirectionnal blast that reached the entire Multiverse (In order to save it from destruction). We know for a fact the Multiverse is Infinite in size due to all Realms being parallel to Ninjago, which is an infinite Universe. This would grant SDP Lloyd Infinite Attack Speed, but it would also scale to the Source Dragon as this feat was produced using their powers

Agree: @Minaaaa (Neutral on Infinite Speed) @TheOrangeGuy09, @DarkDragonMedeus
Disagree:
Neutral:

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Hopefully that doesn't look to long

 

[Minaaaa]

looks good. neutral on 6 tho

 

[Lloydblitzed]

looks good. neutral on 6 tho

Alright, Counted

 

[Lloydblitzed]

looks good. neutral on 6 tho

Would "possibly Infinite Speed" be better?

 

[Minaaaa]

Looks more like range to me but I'll wait for other's responses

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

I share same thoughts as Minaaaa. Do we have a proof that this blast covered everything?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I share same thoughts as Minaaaa. Do we have a proof that this blast covered everything?

Well we know the Mergequake Storm was affecting all of reality, so the blast should've covered that range to stop everything

 

[Lloydblitzed]

MK also got a "possibly Infinite speed" rating for performing something similar

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

It’s good then. Although not really combat-applicable

 

[Lloydblitzed]

It’s good then. Although not really combat-applicable

It probably woudn't for Lloyd but it would for the Source Dragons

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Why?

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Why?

Cuz they wouldn't need Dragon Cores to perform the feat

 

[TheOrangeGuy09]

Eh, my reason for it being non-combat applicable was that it essentially harms no-one tbh.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

I remember a discussion where covering infinite sized universes would be infinite attack speed.

Anyway, this looks good to me.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

I remember a discussion where covering infinite sized universes would be infinite attack speed.

Anyway, this looks good to me.

Alright, counted

 

[Mr. Bambu]

I remember a discussion where covering infinite sized universes would be infinite attack speed.

Anyway, this looks good to me.

Yeah, but we can see that it isn't infinite attack speed. We can see the non-infinite speed of its movement.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Yeah, but we can see that it isn't infinite attack speed. We can see the non-infinite speed of its movement.

Huh? Wydm?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

You link a video of the feat.

This video shows that omnidirectional blast moving. Only it isn't moving with infinite speed, otherwise there would be no time from point A to point B, it would simply be there. Infinite speed means achieving any distance instantly. We can see other objects moving on screen. Very fast, judging by the video, but not infinite.

 

[Lloydblitzed]

You link a video of the feat.

This video shows that omnidirectional blast moving. Only it isn't moving with infinite speed, otherwise there would be no time from point A to point B, it would simply be there. Infinite speed means achieving any distance instantly. We can see other objects moving on screen. Very fast, judging by the video, but not infinite.

So it would be MFTL+ or something instead?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Dunno, would need calc'd. The video there alone makes it difficult to tell the speed, since the objects themselves don't have any set speed and the characters aren't moving much (in watchframebyframe, one of them moves their hand like... once, so I reckon it is faster than them, at least?)

 

[Lloydblitzed]

Dunno, would need calc'd. The video there alone makes it difficult to tell the speed, since the objects themselves don't have any set speed and the characters aren't moving much (in watchframebyframe, one of them moves their hand like... once, so I reckon it is faster than them, at least?)

Would it be right to calc its speed using the distance of the observable Universe as the distance the blast crossed?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The problem with that is you need the speed it took to get there, and the video provided (brief though it is) certainly doesn't give that. The on-screen speed is not desirable because without something to compare to, it will yield extremely low results- probably only comparable to a real life explosion, if that.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Also, your OP needs to list out the specific changes being made- linking the blogs is more convenient but you need an actual changelog of proposals, of sorts.