NieR Automata Downgrade

[Sir_Ovens]

What are the current acceptable feats?

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Where does this leave us?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Oh my b

The current acceptable feats are the swinging about of Engels and the collapse of the underground city, the latter being at least 8-A.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Raiden vs 2B when....

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Will the downgrades been put in?

 

[SpookyShadow]

Raiden vs 2B... Damn. Would be a pretty nice match if only Raiden wasn't leagues above 2B in skill and speed.

 

[Schnee_One]

^Speed can be Equalized

 

[SpookyShadow]

Yeah I know. Still there's a huge skill gap and Raiden has dura negating weapon. Both are my favorite characters of each series though and I like that comparison.

 

[BruceTheBatman]

He isn't far above 2B in skill though. IMO that's debatable.


I think Raiden would win though

 

[SpookyShadow]

Raiden was a killer and cyborg since he was a goddamn kid with no breaks and lived through several wars, he was created to be literally a killing machine. 2B is kind of similar (YorHA are most likely part humans now that I think about it, as they can bleed and act for themselves too) but she's still only like 3 years old. Raiden kicks ass even with a gun only.

 

[Schnee_One]

2B is alive for around 500 years after the game.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Whaaat? Is there something that I don't know about?

 

[Schnee_One]

There is a timeline for After Nier Automata, worth checking out.

 

[SpookyShadow]

After ending E I can believe this, but I was talking about playable 2B. All machines are defeated after events so she doesn't need to fight though

 

[SheevShezarrine]

After ending E I can believe this, but I was talking about playable 2B. All machines are defeated after events so she doesn't need to fight though

I think he's referring to the joke ending where 2B deserts YoRHa and goes fishing, and spends the rest of her life fighting off machine lifeforms and other Model E units in between sessions of aforementioned hobby.

 

[SpookyShadow]

Oh man xD I'm replaying Automata right now (because it's one hell of a game) so I'll givw it a try.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Are we still going through with this?

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Bump.

 

[Beamgc]

Raiden was a killer and cyborg since he was a goddamn kid with no breaks and lived through several wars, he was created to be literally a killing machine. 2B is kind of similar (YorHA are most likely part humans now that I think about it, as they can bleed and act for themselves too) but she's still only like 3 years old. Raiden kicks ass even with a gun only.

that's probably not even blood, just red oil. I think the only organic thing about them is their skin, while the rest is metal Just like terminators. And as I recall, every generation of yorha has the experience of the previous one. Since their data is always transferred to the new generation we can say that 2B has over 1000 teses of combat experience.

 

[BigSmoke4269]

YorHA are most likely part humans now that I think about it, as they can bleed

Yup, I've certainly never seen other androids who can do that! *cough* *cough* terminator *cough* *cough*

and act for themselves too
By your logic Mega Man X isn't a robot because he has free will

 

[SpookyShadow]

Haven't play so I don't know

 

[BruceTheBatman]

Will the downgrade go through?

 

[Mr. Bambu]

Finally got around to that super-stupidly-long calc blog for the Engels feat, clocked in at very high-end High 7-C

 

[SheevShezarrine]

ƒªÇƒªÇƒªÇHigh 7-C is consistent!ƒªÇƒªÇƒªÇ

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So, looks like they scale to High 7-C now, from surviving a non-specific nuke, Engels, and EQ.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Since the High 7-C can be used, we can probably adjust the profiles now.

And I can finally close this thread.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

If no one has any objections, I'll be applying the changes now.

 

[Beamgc]

I still hold my previous opinion. There is nothing that contradicts feat 7-A and none of feat 7-C demanded the most from the characters. Hell, one of these feats came only with the Adam's birth, even the feat just calculated here wouldn't be enough for one-shot since Engel the was already near Death. For me, theres no point tô downgrade. Just put High 7-C and at most 7-A, would be more accurate rather than completely ignoring the feat.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

The 7A feat was done by someone stronger than the characters that supposedly scale and is contradicted later when the same Blackbox explosions instantly kill the droids.

The Engels pose a fair enough threat that they compare to 2B 9S and friends.

 

[Mr. Bambu]

So uh. Nah, just put High 7C.

 

[Beamgc]

Then, A2 Will still be 7-A?

 

[Beamgc]

And It was Two Black boxes being blown up, thats why It killed de droids.

 

[Sir_Ovens]

Given your logic it still shouldn't have killed them. One shots don't happen with just 2x more AP.

Especially not total and utter destruction.

 

[Beamgc]

Given your logic it still shouldn't have killed them. One shots don't happen with just 2x more AP.

Especially not total and utter destruction.

Ok It seems Fair enough

 

[SheevShezarrine]

I'll implement the revisions now