New verse page and tier question

[RatherClueless]

I am currently working on a verse page for Iruna/Toram online. The issue is that the verse gets... "slightly" confusing from time to time. I collected a bunch of scans and wanted to ask, what tier would the gods (which can mess with Noieverre) would be, since there are many characters that have abilities that would scale to that. There are also some "inconsistancies" when it comes to the translation (they didnt rly care whether its universe, realm, dimension etc.). Help with making sence of that is appreciated =P

Scans and a short explanation:

Cosmology:
Iruna:

Iruna has been refered to as continent or realm/universe. It was created by the 12 gods with positive energy.

Dark Continent:

The dark continent used to be a part of the Iruna mainland, before Specia split it apart during the holy war. After the end of the war a magic barrier was casted around the Dark Continent to protect it untill the Explorer first traveled there.

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Noiverre:

Noieverre is a place of high dimension in which high level spirits reside. Just being within it greatly increases once power. It is connected to all other universes and only exists once. Beings that reside within Noieverre are usually not allowed to interact with the other worlds.

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Dark Domain:

The Dark Domain or Dark Realm is the place where the souls of the deceased rest until they are reborn. It is ruled by the goddess of darness Dunkelis, who stabalizes the boundry between the Dark Domain and the human world. The Realm lies adjacent to the human world can can usually not be accessed by physical means. Physical bodies are seen as impure within the dark domain and are dissolved.

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Devine Tower:

The Devine Tower or Shrine of the 12 gods is a secluded space in which the 12 gods reside. It includes all 12 thrones which stabilize the universe. It is unreachable by physical means.

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Realms and Parallel Universes:

Within the universe of Iruna there are many different realms. Some created by gods, others by dragons. Some of them seem to have neither. There are even some realms that have a different flow of time. If one realm becomes instable and is destroyed, all other realms perish as well. The exact ammount of realms is unknown, but it has been stated many times to be quite high.

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[Zaratthustra]

From what I have read and understood Iruna itself is Low 2-C as it contains time + space.

There are also showed that it exists more than one Universe/Parallel Universe like Dammerung, Dragonewt, Dark Domain (which seems to have different Laws than Iruna). It also said that there is different time between worlds.

From those I get 2-C.

Noiverre is stated to be a higher dimension which should be 5-D which if it transcends the Iruna and all it's Universes/Parallel Universes - meaning High 2-A (or I may be wrong and is just 2-A).

Anyway, I think you need to ask someone who is more knowledgeable as I'm not sure 100%.

 

[RatherClueless]

who should I ask though

 

[Wokistan]

If it's inconsistent with terminology I think we don't immediately assume universe unless supported by further context. This means we don't cross scale statements. If some dude was like "I made iruna" we can't make that Low 2-C off of someone else referring to iruna the universe, but if he said he made iruna and in that same instance it was established he was talking about the universe that works.

 

[RatherClueless]

"If it's inconsistent with terminology I think we don't immediately assume universe"

Its mostly inconsistant with realms und universes. Even a lower goddess like Dunkelis is stabilizing an entire realm. Almas on the other hand is stabilizing all realms across the universe.

 

[RatherClueless]

Also, that guy literally said that they took a bunch of worlds, stitched them together and created the cosmos...its kinda straight forward. The biggest issue I have is tiering Noieverre and beings that can mess with it.

 

[RatherClueless]

Bump

 

[RatherClueless]

Got a couple more scans. Gonna add them to the OP as well.

 

[RatherClueless]

Found sth fairly interesting. The Dark Domain precedes the creation of Iruna, but exists within Iruna. Like, actually between a couple of towns you can visit, however, for as long as someone is alive, they can neither see the way to the Dark domain, nor the Dark Domain in general. This also explains the "adjacent" description. Its not rly next to it or anything, but basically stacked on top of it. It quite literally only exists for the dead/within the afterlife.

 

[Andytrenom]

It'll take me some time to go through all of this

 

[RatherClueless]

Figures. Thx for the help though owo

 

[RatherClueless]

oof, just realized that the pics I said I am gonna add to the OP were never added...

 

[RatherClueless]

bump

 

[Wokistan]

Well the thibg you just told me makes it sound like realms are decidedly not universes then.

 

[Andytrenom]

So the Noiverre thing I'm unsure about. I'm willing to believe it's referring to 5-D space, it being called a higher dimension/world of higher dimension instead of a higher dimensional is weird but that might just be nit picking. The bigger problem is if they actually establish a hierarchy where a being of a higher dimension can be reasonably assumed to be infinitely greater than a being of the lower dimension

As for alternate worlds things, one of the worlds being explicitly stated to be smaller than Iruna kinda puts into question the idea of them being parallel universes

 

[RatherClueless]

As for alternate worlds things, one of the worlds being explicitly stated to be smaller than Iruna kinda puts into question the idea of them being parallel universes

Well the thibg you just told me makes it sound like realms are decidedly not universes then.

Most of them are (likely) realms, however, I do believe that the seconds Iruna is a universe, since there would be a lot of issues in the story otherwise.

The bigger problem is if they actually establish a hierarchy where a being of a higher dimension can be reasonably assumed to be infinitely greater than a being of the lower dimension.

That be so incredibly gamebreaking... Just imagine fighting someone with a level of "infinte" lol

For most residents it is likely a case of "they just reside there", rather than "they are infinitely more powerfull".

However, there are statements that say that it needs the power of a god to create a "world" (very specificly space time here). It is also stated that a vice god to Eldas, who can create reality (completely new space time) from the thoughts of someone. That guy pales in comparisson to Almas and the other 11 gods, who are stated (in the very next sentence) to have "omnipotent power".

I think it is important to note that the gods arent physically that strong. Its just their abilities/reality warping/creation.

 

[RatherClueless]

bump

 

[RatherClueless]

bump

 

[RatherClueless]

Before I forget. Bump

 

[RatherClueless]

Bump

 

[Andytrenom]

I don't want to completely reject High 2-A but with the given information I don't think I can vouch for it

 

[RatherClueless]

Lol

 

[RatherClueless]

Also, every resident of Noieverre can travel freely between all of the realms/universes and can sense even small things within them.

 

[RatherClueless]

Oh, also, the power of the gods is stated to be infinite (in amount at leat).

 

[RatherClueless]

I don't want to completely reject High 2-A but with the given information I don't think I can vouch for it

Then let me ask this way, what would you like to see?

 

[RatherClueless]

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