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New images for the characters in the SS page

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The images are with the anime designs for the characters of Classic and the images of the manga for the characters exclusive of the Mangas.

I will complete the page in a few days or a week.
 
The page is incomplete. Other pages on the wiki are complete with official images.

Many characters have no image and use images of a fanfic like Sagrada Saga (this is not official).

But I can accommodate the page as it was before, although I would like to hear the opinions of other users and moderators.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Sacred Saga isn't a Fanfic, it's an Artbook. And its images look much better.
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Sacred Saga is just a fanfic, it is not an official SS artbook.

The armor of the gods are not official and the characters have a completely different design to the official design of the characters in manga or anime.
 
Sacred Saga isn't a fanfic (That isn't even what the definition of the word means). The canonical designs for Ares, Apollo, Artemis and Aphrodite are all taken from Sacred Saga, and no doubt the same will apply to the other Olympians. It may be fanmade but it is super influential to the series' official designs.

And no, their designs aren't completely different, they look the same, just better drawn.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Sacred Saga isn't a fanfic (That isn't even what the definition of the word means). The canonical designs for Ares, Apollo, Artemis and Aphrodite are all taken from Sacred Saga, and no doubt the same will apply to the other Olympians. It may be fanmade but it is super influential to the series' official designs.
And no, their designs aren't completely different, they look the same, just better drawn.
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The design of Sacred Saga of Aphrodite, Ares, Apollo and Artemis is not canon, is a design that is not used in the anime or manga, even in a Spin Off as Lost Canvas (where Ares has a completely different design).

No, they are completely different, in the anime the gods like Apollo or Artemis did not wear their armor, and in the manga the design is completely different.

Matthew Schroeder said:
And I know the page needs reworks, but I'd rather work on it myself.
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In this case I offer my help in the images of the characters, although if you want later you can change the images that you do not like.
 
No, not at all.

First of all, I dunno why you are differenciating "Spin-Offs" from canon. I'm going to guess you think only Classic and Next Dimension are canon.

Secondly, if you looked at Saint Seiya Online you'd see that Ares and Aphrodite have designs and armor nearly identical to the Sacred Saga one, while the designs for Apollo and Artemis in the Overture Movie are based in Sacred Saga, particularly Apollo's flaming hair.

You missed my point entirely. The armor design is different because no God has wore their Kamui yet. Physically Apollo and Artemis in the Movie are very similar.
 
No, but LC is a Spin-Off, a Spin-Off can be canon with a universe. In this case LC is not part of the Classic universe, but it is another universe in its multiverse. But the main universe of SS is the written by Kurumada.

It is an online game, that does not have importance with the canon or the history of the manga or anime of SS. In this game even many armors have a change, there are even different God Cloth, other Silver Cloth or Bronze Cloth (even changes of rank in the armor as South Cross is Bronze in SSO, but the canon is Silver), other gods, etc.

Artemis has his armor in Next Dimension. Artemis have a different design in ND compared to Overture. The design of the armor is not official, the design of the characters is not official, it is just a facfic that does not matter in the anime universe or manga of SS.
 
Lost Canvas was supervised by Kurumada from start to finish and the manga only began because Kurumada himself was interested in making it happen. And the glimpses of Ares we see in it align with Sacred Saga.

The Saint Seiya MMORPG has designs by Kurumada and the designs of the gods fit Sacred Saga. It also had "Kanon survived his fight with Rhadamanthys" as a plot-point years before Episode G Assassin.

Artemis has an armor, not her Kamui.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Lost Canvas was supervised by Kurumada from start to finish and the manga only began because Kurumada himself was interested in making it happen. And the glimpses of Ares we see in it align with Sacred Saga.
The Saint Seiya MMORPG has designs by Kurumada and the designs of the gods fit Sacred Saga. It also had "Kanon survived his fight with Rhadamanthys" as a plot-point years before Episode G Assassin.

Artemis has an armor, not her Kamui.
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Kurumada only participated in the manga until half of the history, even Shiori mentions it in an interview.

It does not have Kurumada designs, the author did not participate in any way in the MMORPG. Kanon and Radamanthys are dead in the manga, even the pearl in the rosary change color (indicating the death of all specters).. Kanon and Radamanthys only survived in a future parallel (or parallel universe) in Assassin.

It is the armor of Artemis, nowhere has it been mentioned that it is not a Kamui, even Kurumada mentioned that the Kamui appeared in ND, a few months before the chapter was published. Artemis's armor is his Kamui as an Olympic goddess. .
 
So what? That's because he liked it so much he gave Shiori free reign.

Yes it has.

It's not a Kamui. Did you even read Hypermyth and the Taizen? No god but Zeus still has their Kamui.
 
Honestly, I don't mind either or, but you shouldn't have made this change without at least talking with Matt or someone first.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
So what? That's because he liked it so much he gave Shiori free reign.
Yes it has.

It's not a Kamui. Did you even read Hypermyth and the Taizen? No god but Zeus still has their Kamui.
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Because the author does not care about this manga, because the story was deviated of Next Dimension. Lost Canvas is canon, but it is a parallel universe, a different universe to the Classic and Next Dimension.

The multiverse of SS:

  • Universe of Classic, Next Dimension, Sho and Episode G (possibly Golden Age). It is main universe.
  • Universe of Lost Canvas (Manga and Gaidens).
  • Universe of Episode G Assassin. A parallel future or the universe of history.
  • The Lost World or Aiolos universe.
Official link where Kurumada indicates that he participate in the game, although the ranges of the armor are bad, has different designs of armor with official designs. characters and gods, etc.

That is never said in Hypermith (the updated version of 2002 does not mention anything about the Kamui) or Taizen, even in Taizen it is claimed that the Olympian gods use Kamuis. In the Taizen indicate that only Athena and Poseidon wear armor of their armies, but even Kurumada indicates in an interview that these armors could be the Kamui of the gods. Even in an interview the author mentions that the Kamui appeared in Next Dimension, a few months before of the first appearance of Artemis.
 
I don't understand how LC not being in the same universe matter with it adopting the Sacred Saga designs.

He did participate in the game and even drew designs for it. Also, some designs being different doesn't mean the whole game is invalid.

Yes it is said in both the Hypermyth and the Taizen. The 2002 Hypermyth barely covers anything.

You don't seem to know much about Saint Seiya;
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
I don't understand how LC not being in the same universe matter with it adopting the Sacred Saga designs.
He did participate in the game and even drew designs for it. Also, some designs being different doesn't mean the whole game is invalid.

Yes it is said in both the Hypermyth and the Taizen. The 2002 Hypermyth barely covers anything.

You don't seem to know much about Saint Seiya;
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Even in Lost Canvas they do not use the designs of a fanfic as Sacred Saga, even the design of Ares is completely different in LC. And Ares in Taizen is not described as one of Twelve Olympians.

Kurumada never particion in the game, places the link or interview where the author mentions that he participated in the game. The game never mattered to the SS universe, it is like Shaina as Gold Saint of Ophiuchus in the ps2 game, the history and official design of Ophiuchus Gold of Kurumada is completely different.

In the Hypermith does not mention anything and in the Taizen only indicate that the Olympic gods use their Kamuis (with the exception of Athena and Poseidon, but Kurumada in an interview that the armors of the gods can be his Kamui).
 
"Even in Lost Canvas they do not use the designs fanfic as Sacred Saga, even the design of Ares is completely different in LC. And Ares in Taizen is not described as an Olympic god."

>Still calling Sacred Saga a fanfic >Fails to see the obvious similarities between Ares in Sacred Saga and Lost Canvas

Also, my god, do you really think that Ares isn't an Olympian God? Of course he is.

"Kurumada never particion in the game, places the link or interview where the author mentions that he participated in the game."

I would have to find it, but he actually did.

"The game never mattered to the SS universe"

Clearly it does somewhat since it is the only place where Aphrodite and Persephone have appeared so far, and some of the game's plot ideas were borrowed for Assassin.

"In the Hypermith does not mention anything and in the Taizen only indicate that the Olympic gods use their Kamuis (with the exception of Athena and Poseidon, but Kurumada in an interview that the armors of the gods can be his Kamui)."

No, it does. The Taizen says that the Gods wore Kamui in the Age of Myth but that they currently don't have them. The only god that has the Kamui is Zeus. And that interview is completely meaningless until it is actually revealed that Hades' Surplice and Athena's God Cloth are Kamui or not.

Until now, nothing indicates that they are.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
>Still calling Sacred Saga a fanfic
>Fails to see the obvious similarities between Ares in Sacred Saga and Lost Canvas

Also, my god, do you really think that Ares isn't an Olympian God? Of course he is.

I would have to find it, but he actually did.

"The game never mattered to the SS universe"

Clearly it does somewhat since it is the only place where Aphrodite and Persephone have appeared so far, and some of the game's plot ideas were borrowed for Assassin.

No, it does. The Taizen says that the Gods wore Kamui in the Age of Myth but that they currently don't have them. The only god that has the Kamui is Zeus. And that interview is completely meaningless until it is actually revealed that Hades' Surplice and Athena's God Cloth are Kamui or not.

Until now, nothing indicates that they are.
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The design of Ares is completely different, even the shoulders of the armor are different.

In the official list of the Twelve Olympians of the Taizen do not mention Ares. .

Search the interview or comment of the author, in this page are all the interviews and comments of the author.

What does not matter because they are not the official designs of the characters, in ND still do not appear these goddesses. He did not design anything for that game, the author did not participate in any way in this game. It's like the ps2 game that included Shaina as Ophiuchus Gold, with a completely different design that we saw in Next Dimension, the author does not participate in the games.

The plot of Kanon and Radamanthys is part of a French fanfic that appears even years before of the game, it's just that Okada delights fans by including fan ideas in the multiple universe of their story. As Hyoga's daughter tells Shun mom, as a joke to the fanfics of the characters.

The fanfic French of the Arc Zeus of the 2005.

This is the origin of a plot where Kanon and Rada survive.

In the manga, taizen, interviews mention that the Olympian gods use Kamuis, the only exception are Athena and Poseidon as indicated in the Taizen.. It is the author's word that mentions that the armor of Athena and Poseidon could be his Kamui. The Author also mentioned that the Kamui appear in Next Dimension, a few months before the official appearance of Artemis.
 
Ares is one among the Twelve Olympians (Which are actually more than twelve). I'm baffled that you think he doesn't qualify.

Do you even understand that even Kurumada frequently changes designs? Stop treating ND as being some sort of gospel that takes precedence over the other manga. Specially when Episode G which some latin fans love to say is non-canon was the first series to feature Zeus in a present, speaking role.

>French fanfic plot

Never heard of that. It first appeared in SS Online as far as I know. And I don't see how Okada basically making a popular ship Canon has anything to do with this.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Ares is one among the Twelve Olympians (Which are actually more than twelve). I'm baffled that you think he doesn't qualify.
Do you even understand that even Kurumada frequently changes designs? Stop treating ND as being some sort of gospel that takes precedence over the other manga. Specially when Episode G which some latin fans love to say is non-canon was the first series to feature Zeus in a present, speaking role.

>French fanfic plot

Never heard of that. It first appeared in SS Online as far as I know. And I don't see how Okada basically making a popular ship Canon has anything to do with this.
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In the universe of SS are only twelve olympians, and Ares is not mentioned on the official list in the Taizen.

The Next Dimension is the main canon of SS, the rest of the works are a secondary canon. And Kurumada maintains the original design, although it gives some simple changes, for example the Cloths of the Ghost Saints in comparison with the official Cloths of Rigel, Juan, Georg, Ptolemy and Orphee.

No, there appears for the first time a French fanfic of the bow of Zeus. The fanfic French of the Arc Zeus of the 2005.

This is the origin of the plot where Kanon and Rada survive.

It's not just Okada that he listens to SS fans, so he does some homage to the fanfics of the fans in his story, for example the joke of Shun and Hyoga as a couple.
 
"The Next Dimension is the main canon of SS, the rest of the works are a secondary canon."

There is no such thing as main canon and secondary canon in Saint Seiya. Episode G is directly compared to Phantom Menace by Masami Kurumada himself and Episode G Assassin is the sequel which is connecting all main storylines in the series.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
There is no such thing as main canon and secondary canon in Saint Seiya. Episode G is directly compared to Phantom Menace by Masami Kurumada himself and Episode G Assassin is the sequel which is connecting all main storylines in the series.
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Yes, he mentions it in an interview (Interview Champion Red 2002, even mentions that some ideas of Episode G are of its authorship, for example a god [Cronos] instigating to Saga to assassinate to Athena), that's why Episode G is canon, but the main canon of SS is the Next Dimenison and the Clasico, the rest of the works are canon, but they are a secondary canon in comparison with the written work by Kurumada.
 
No they're not.

If everything else was Secondary Canon Episode G wouldn't have introduced a bunch of concepts into the Saint Seiya universe like the God-Killing Dagger, Ichor and the 9th Sense, which are used in other manga. And Zeus would have appeared first in ND and not Assassin.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
No they're not.
If everything else was Secondary Canon Episode G wouldn't have introduced a bunch of concepts into the Saint Seiya universe like the God-Killing Dagger, Ichor and the 9th Sense, which are used in other manga. And Zeus would have appeared first in ND and not Assassin.
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The main canon is written by Kurumada, the rest of work are canon, but they are a secondary canon. The Ichor is only the blood of the gods, the same that he has always used in SS, even their special property to heal or restore the Cloth. The ninth sense is an idea that existed from the beginning in SS. It is Zeus of another universe, and the god did not appear, because it does not have official design by Kurumada (that's why we never saw the true body of Zeus). Zeus is not an antagonist in the main universe of SS (not counting the fanfics of the fans). .
 
"The main canon is written by Kurumada, the rest of work are canon, but they are a secondary canon"

That's not how it works.

"The Ichor is only the blood of the gods, the same that he has always used in SS, even their special property to heal or restore the Cloth"

Yes, but Episode G was the first to name it Ichor and truly explain it. Just like how the dagger was just a dagger in the original anime but it got heavily expanded in G.

"The ninth sense is an idea that has existed from the beginning in SS"

Barely. The Hypermyth talks about the Big Will / Divine Will as being a "Super Sense beyond all others" and there's some talk about how the gods do things through their Will and whatnot in the classic manga. Episode G is the first to truly dive into the power of the Gods and explain it.

"It is Zeus of another universe, and the god did not appear, because it does not have official design by Kurumada"

Both Poseidon and Hades appeared in hosts first as well. Even if on a host, Zeus appearing first in Episode G is monumental.
 
In the main universe of SS never refer to the blood of a god by that name. The name of Ichor is exclusive by Okada, it is only the way the author names the blood of a god in his manga, but it has no importance, it is simply the blood of a god, which is described from classic manga.

Yes, but Hades appears his true body designed by Kurumada, in contrast to Zeus who never appeared his true body in the manga. It is because officially Zeus does not have a design by Kurumada, so Okada just only mentioned it, not to contradict the story of Kurumada in the future, when the author draws the real design of Zeus.

Not the ninth sense is not explained in Episode G, nor even explained the function of this sense, if it is like the eighth sense that only gives the ability to overcome death. The idea of the ninth sense comes from the philosophy of the nine senses.used by Kurumada in his manga.
 
"In the main universe of SS never refer to the blood of a god by that name."

Episode G is part of the main universe.

"in contrast to Zeus who never appeared his true body in the manga"

Neither did Poseidon if you want to get technical. Zeus appearing only in a host is not an argument.

"It is because officially Zeus does not have a design by Kurumada, so Okada just only mentioned it, not to contradict the story of Kurumada in the future, when the author draws the real design of Zeus."

Actually, according to Megumu Okada, he planned Aiolia being the Host of Zeus since 2003 and gave many hints to that throughout the classic G. So he's been dealing with Zeus stuff earlier than anyone else.

"Not the ninth sense is not explained in Episode G, nor even explained the function of this sense"

The name "9th Sense" is only dropped for the first time in Episode G. Before that they referred to the cosmos of the Gods as "Big Will", "Divine Will", and "Super Sense". 9th Sense was used by fans for years before it was officially used.
 
Yes, but Kurumada does not call the blood of god as Ichor, it is simply an exclusive detail of Okada, because he has more knowledge of mythology than Kurumada.

n this case, it is unknown whether Poseidon has a real body or was destroyed in an ancient holy war. But Zeus has his true body, even mentioned in the manga, but this did not appear, because it has no official design by Kurumada, that's why Okada did not draw it in his sleeve and only showed the utlima scene with Aiolia.

No, Okada had planned to use it this way at the end of the Episode G manga, in this case in 2008 to 2013 (the period where the final arc of the manga was developed).

It's because Okada is using fan ideas for multiple universes in his story. In Episode G the author still does not explain what function has the ninth sense.
 
"it is unknown whether Poseidon has a real body or was destroyed in an ancient holy war"

He has. And even if it was destroyed the true body of a god can regenerate.

"No, Okada had planned to use it this way at the end of the Episode G manga, in this case in 2008 to 2013 (the period where the final arc of the manga was developed)."

He said in his twitter that he was planning what this chapter revealed since 2003.

It's because Okada engages more with the fanbase and is more interesting in developing the lore of the series than Kurumada.
 
He does not have another body in the manga, even when he returns for a few seconds in the Hades Arc is in Julian. The true body of Poseidon is always a mystery, and he is not a god narcissistic like Hades to hide his body, even Eris in Sho also does not have a true body, so they need the divine body of Olivia.

No, he intended to use it for the final arc of Episode G (possibly in the fight with Cronos), but in the end I do not use it.

That's why Okada, Shiori and Kuori respond to their Twitter on some occasions. It is because Kurumada is busy with his Ophiuchus who has more of 4 years with his awakening, I hope that in September he finally appears.
 
"No, he intended to use it for the final arc of Episode G (possibly in the fight with Cronos), but in the end I do not use it."

He said he was planning since 2003 on his twitter. What the hell, how are you ignoring his own word?
 
No, Okada only gave a comment about his finger injury, which he has since 2003.

Concerning the purpose of the topic.

Delete changes to the page.

My question is:

Can I continue to work with the images on the page or do you want to complete the entire page of SS?
 
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