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New Argument could put Goku at 210,000X Universal

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I take no credit for this post, all credit goes to user Highslayerralton on reddit.

https://old.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/8ygklk/gokus_current_power/


Strength/Durability


Super Saiyan Goku was half-universal when clashing with Beerus



Goku has grown at least 100× more powerful since the fight with Beerus



To summarise; the Tournament of Power Arc-incarnation of Goku scales to the Tournament of Power Arc-incarnation of Caulifla, who scales to the Universe 6 Arc-incarnation of Cabba, who scales to the Universe 6 Arc-incarnation of Vegeta, who scales to the Universe 6 Arc-incarnation of Goku.
Tournament of Power Base Goku>Tournament of Power SSj2 Caulifla=2├ùTournament of Power SSj CauliflaÔëÑ50├ù(Tournament of Power Base CauliflaÔëÑUniverse 6 Tournament Base Cabba=Universe 6 Tournament Base Vegeta=Universe 6 Tournament Base Goku>100├ù(Battle with Beerus Goku))

This fits with his going from needing the Kaioken├ù10 to fight Hit[2] to being able to draw with a more powerful Hit without it, his going from being weaker in his Super Saiyan Blue form than Golden Frieza to matching a more powerful Golden Frieza with it, and Vegeta's going from being outclassed by Base Black to stomping Rosé Black.


Super Saiyan God is at least 4× more powerful than Super Saiya
While Goku's present gap between SSj and SSj2 is unclear, SSj is yet to surpass SSj2, and SSj3 is 4├ù more powerful than SSj2. It follows that SSj3 is at least 4├ù more powerful than SSj. SSjG―being more powerful than any of these forms―is also at least 4├ù more powerful than SSj Goku.


Super Saiyan Blue is at least 50× more powerful than Super Saiyan God



SSjB Goku=SSj Kefla=50×(Base Kefla>SSjG Goku)

Scaling Goku's forms to SSj Kefla and Base Kefla means SSjB can be lowballed to 50× SSjG, which makes sense, as it's SSj and SSjG overlapping, and the SSj multiplier is at least 50×.


Kaioken×20 is a 20× increase in power
The Kaioken multiplies Goku's stats (ki, power, speed, etc.) by it's multiplication modifier[2][3].

Goku can use the KK×20 as a SSjB.


Ultra Instinct Omen is at least a 1.05× increase in power

    • Yes, he's probably much more powerful, but his power is vague and we have to lowball it.
    • Yes, Android #17 could be considered here too, but his power is difficult to quantify and doesn't directly scale to Goku's.


UIO Goku=SSjB KK├ù20 Goku+(SSjBS VegetaÔëÑSSjB Goku)

Yes, Roshi states that Kefla could kill UIO Goku with an attack, after she states that she feels like she can blow away a universe, but:

  • What a character "feels" is very light evidence, what they state they feel even more so.
  • Kefla never stated that she was at most universe busting,, only that she could blow away a universe in one shot. Superman could destroy a wall with one attack, but that doesn't mean he's at most wall-busting.
  • Kefla powered up between her statement and Roshi's.
  • Kefla used a different attack against Goku than the one she felt she could blow away a universe with.)
Notably, Goku can't assume this form at will.

Mastered Ultra Instinct's power is too vague to quantify.


Overall
Super Saiyan Goku is now ÔëÑ50├ùUniversal
0.5Universal×100=50Universal

Super Saiyan God Goku is now ÔëÑ200├ùUniversal
0.5Universal×4×100=200Universal

Super Saiyan Blue Goku is now ÔëÑ10,000├ùUniversal
0.5Universal×100×4×50=10,000Universal

Super Saiyan Blue Kaioken├ù20 Goku is now ÔëÑ200,000├ùUniversal.
0.5Universal×100×4×50×20=200,000Universal

Ultra Instinct Omen Goku is now ÔëÑ210,000├ùUniversal.
0.5Universal100×4×50×20)+10,00Universal=210,000Universal


Speed


SSjB Goku might be FTL with the Kaioke



UIO Goku scales to Gohan, who scales to Dyspo, who is FTL



Goku might be FTL depending on how fast one scales certain feats

Considering how many times faster Frieza would have to be, relative to Piccolo, to be FTE to him in the above scenario, the multiplier there might well make him FTL. Frieza would only have to be 2807.62974506× faster than Piccolo's attack. This is where someone with more physics knowledge would have to step in, I'm afraid. If you're interested, Frieza would be at least ~FTL if Piccolo's moon-busting attack took ~51.28881408seconds on-panel. Though, of course, we don't know how long it took.

Notably, multipliers like 100% Frieza being 40├ù faster than Base Goku would stack with their successors to potentially reach FTL with exponential growth. Going through the entirety of Dragon Ball and giving speed the scaling treatment the series' lack of hard feats necessitates, relative to Piccolo and Roshi's moon-blasts―and perhaps a few other such attacks, is something that I'd very much like to do at some point.

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We also say SSJB is about 50x, just its not exac. Although it is utterly ******** that we don't use the official multipliers
 
It's the same reason every time, and it's a good reason. The multipliers make no sense half the time and are inconsistent as it can be.

I am also confused on why you're proposing to make these characters FTL, they're already MFTL+.
 
We don't use Multipliers like that really. Also, the first feat is technically above baseline because destroying the observable universe with an omnidirectional attack from the edge of the Universe; which Dragon Ball places earth and Milky Way galaxy rather close to the edge of the north edge universe, is actually like 8x baseline. 4x if you want to cut that in half. Additionally, Earth being at the edge of the universe requires a universe that's massively bigger than the observable universe. So all 3-A's in Dragon Ball Super are much stronger than one might think.

However, post tournament of power, SSB and beyond is Low 2-C which is infinitely above 3-A. Since Goku would have a 4-D degree of power as opposed to 3-D degree of power; though, he's still a 3-D entity. The Ultra Instinct stuff is also Infinitely above base form for the same reasons.
 
Actually Post-2nd UIS is when SSB and beyond are Low 2-C. Post-ToP (Post-MUI) is when SSG and beyond are Low 2-C.
 
@DarkDragonMedeus

Wouldn't post Tournament of Power Goku be Low 2-C in every form including base? You can't become infinitely stronger from a form that's shown to be a finite increase in power.
 
No, Only SSB and beyond were proven to be Low 2-C. His base from to SSJ3 would best remain 3-A unless otherwise proven. We do understand the problems, and no verse really portrays the difference between 3-A and Low 2-C as an infinite gap. Take Shin Megami Tensui; they go from High 6-A to 2-A just from training. Also, 4-D power still isn't like literal Infinite; it's just stronger than an Infinite number of joules; which is inapplicable to characters High 3-A and above. Speed and Stamina of course are still finite.

Anyway, I guess I can close the thread since topic was answered and this is a repeated discussion.
 
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