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NEP aspect type 5 for Graham. Maou Gakuin

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Dog3352 said:
While Graham's true emptiness without the source (fundamental aspect of existence) does fulfill the requirements you asked for, now it's just a case of waiting for someone on the team who doesn't dislike Maou Gakuin to arrive (Impossible).
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More like we're waiting for an unbiased person to review it.
 
Dread said:
Has been already explained? Where? I did not see a single argument against Garham's true emptiness?
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ActuallySpaceMan made a great point. Even one of your own supporters agreed.

If you can't get stuff, and keep dragging this one then no one is going to review it.
 
Yemma670 said:
ActuallySpaceMan made a great point. Even one of your own supporters agreed.

If you can't get stuff, and keep dragging this one then no one is going to review it.
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No he did not even comment a single word on Garham's true emptiness? Use crtl + F and find me the keyword where he commented on it?
 
Yemma670 said:
ActuallySpaceMan made a great point. Even one of your own supporters agreed.

If you can't get stuff, and keep dragging this one then no one is going to review it.
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In fact, the only thing he proved is that Graham has NEP2, but he didn't say anything about Graham's "true void", he didn't even mention the fact that Graham's "true void" existed even without the source, as the his comment was before explaining about the true emptiness.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Alright, I'm about to break this down from my understanding, any sarcasm is unwelcomed.

1; Graham lacks a source currently and still does not qualify for Type 5 Aspect.

2; What makes Order so fundamental is that without Order there is no existence, Graham already lacks existence so this changes nothing.

3; Order is more conceptual than normal conceptual stuff but is still conceptual and therefore not qualifying as Aspect Type 5. Plot or whatever is irrelevant as that is also not Type 5.

4; Fate & Laws are not accepted as Type 5 by themselves and it has to be stated that they are fundamental DIRECTLY. Saying Order is Law & Fate and without Order you don't exist just loops back into #2.

So how do we solve this? List one thing, just one, just one fundamental aspect of Order that is not related to the Mind, Body, Soul nor related to Concepts, Information, Laws, or Fate.

Just one single thing that is not "His entire existence on a more fundamental level" cause you need some sort of scan that says exactly that.
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Here
 
Dog3352 said:
In fact, the only thing he proved is that Graham has NEP2, but he didn't say anything about Graham's "true void", he didn't even mention the fact that Graham's "true void" existed even without the source, as the his comment was before explaining about the true emptiness.
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Exactly my point because he was not even aware of it till @EldemadeDityjon mention it and yet he did not respond on it
 
Dog3352 said:
In fact, the only thing he proved is that Graham has NEP2, but he didn't say anything about Graham's "true void", he didn't even mention the fact that Graham's "true void" existed even without the source, as the his comment was before explaining about the true emptiness.
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He did, and that's Nep 2
 
Yemma670 said:
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"1; Graham lacks a source currently and still does not qualify for Type 5 Aspect."

That? LMAO, he's contradicting himself, he and you said that the character needs to exist even without the foundation of existence, things like mind, soul, body and etc. And just what does Graham's true emptiness do, is it really contradicting itself now?
 
If you did not bring the source I am asking for, you are just proving me your ignorance right now
 
Dog3352 said:
"1; Graham lacks a source currently and still does not qualify for Type 5 Aspect."

That? LMAO, he's contradicting himself, he and you said that the character needs to exist even without the foundation of existence, things like mind, soul, body and etc. And just what does Graham's true emptiness do, is it really contradicting itself now?
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Yes. NEP 2 aspect type 1, 2 and 3

He mentioned that. No aspect type 5 anywhere at all
 
Dog3352 said:
No LMAO, NEP2 comes from the fact that Graham is non-existent, and doesn't exist without the source, don't contradict yourself again please, it's getting ugly.
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You don't even know how nep works.

I'm not surprised.

He says "Lmao". You think you're in the right?
 
Okay, Aspect Type 5 fate and law doesn't work here. So no, no aspect type 5 for anyone in maou
 
Make the crt messy, by repetition and this thread won't go anywhere.

Most staff aren't interested in LN verses to begin with . Just get staff before this gets too long and messy. That is the advise I'll give
 
I won't comment here anymore. At this point you'll just repeat. Which, doesn't even refute what ActuallySpaceMan said
 
So, you basically proved me your ignorance, gotchu. @Fixxed Once your online, please call staff here
 
Yemma670 said:
Make the crt messy, by repetition and this thread won't go anywhere.

Most staff aren't interested in LN verses to begin with . Just get staff before this gets too long and messy. That is the advise I'll give
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NEP2 and its first source, even before it was destroyed, from a look at the profile (even if the real void is too), there was no way to put aspect 5 for Graham as this has never been discussed before.

Honestly, it would be easier without you here (no need to contradict each other), you and he mention that the character needs to exist even without the fundamental aspect of existence (mind, body, soul), and Graham's true emptiness existed without the source ( that's all that and a little more), and then immediately says that it's not aspect 5?
 
YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING RELEVANT AT ALL.


You think repetition makes your point more valid?? Christ
 
Dog3352 said:
NEP2 and its first source, even before it was destroyed, from a look at the profile (even if the real void is too), there was no way to put aspect 5 for Graham as this has never been discussed before.

Honestly, it would be easier without you here (no need to contradict each other), you and he mention that the character needs to exist even without the fundamental aspect of existence (mind, body, soul), and Graham's true emptiness existed without the source ( that's all that and a little more), and then immediately says that it's not aspect 5?
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No aspect type 5 FATE AND LAW

None of which are fundamental, and you refuse to mention the fundamental laws, so no
 
Yemma670 said:
YOU DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING RELEVANT AT ALL.


You think repetition makes your point more valid?? Christ
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Repetition doesn't make my point any more valid, but you contradicting yourself doesn't make it any more invalid either.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Alright, I'm about to break this down from my understanding, any sarcasm is unwelcomed.

1; Graham lacks a source currently and still does not qualify for Type 5 Aspect.

2; What makes Order so fundamental is that without Order there is no existence, Graham already lacks existence so this changes nothing.

3; Order is more conceptual than normal conceptual stuff but is still conceptual and therefore not qualifying as Aspect Type 5. Plot or whatever is irrelevant as that is also not Type 5.

4; Fate & Laws are not accepted as Type 5 by themselves and it has to be stated that they are fundamental DIRECTLY. Saying Order is Law & Fate and without Order you don't exist just loops back into #2.

So how do we solve this? List one thing, just one, just one fundamental aspect of Order that is not related to the Mind, Body, Soul nor related to Concepts, Information, Laws, or Fate.

Just one single thing that is not "His entire existence on a more fundamental level" cause you need some sort of scan that says exactly that.
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Pin this comment to staff.

You won't get Aspect type 5 with this
 
Dog3352 said:
Repetition doesn't make my point any more valid, but you contradicting yourself doesn't make it any more invalid either.
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Ok, you are trying to explain to me that Graham's True Emptiness exists without a source which is a Fundamental Concept?
 
Yemma670 said:
No aspect type 5 FATE AND LAW

None of which are fundamental, and you refuse to mention the fundamental laws, so no
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Bruh, you don't know anything about maou gakuin, that explains everything. Source has nothing to do with destiny and law, but the fundamental concept of existence, something that exists beyond the mind, soul and body, present, past and future.


Source
The fundamental concept of existence that all living things hold within them. An excellent magician can be reincarnated with the memories of their life kept in their source, and even if the physical body perishes, as long as the source is intact, they can be revived.

To begin with, magic power is created from the magical source in our bodies. To put it simply, it's the soul, the psyche, but the source exists even deeper in the abyss, and it's what makes us who we are.

"However, if the Almighty's sword is not sheathed, the power of the divine sword will annihilate the source of the person who pulls it out, present, past, and future."
 
Dog3352 said:
Bruh, you don't know anything about maou gakuin, that explains everything. Source has nothing to do with destiny and law, but the fundamental concept of existence, something that exists beyond the mind, soul and body, present, past and future.


Source
The fundamental concept of existence that all living things hold within them. An excellent magician can be reincarnated with the memories of their life kept in their source, and even if the physical body perishes, as long as the source is intact, they can be revived.

To begin with, magic power is created from the magical source in our bodies. To put it simply, it's the soul, the psyche, but the source exists even deeper in the abyss, and it's what makes us who we are.

"However, if the Almighty's sword is not sheathed, the power of the divine sword will annihilate the source of the person who pulls it out, present, past, and future."
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If it has nothing to do with destiny and law then close the crt.

This crt was meant for aspect type 5 law and fate
 
The fundamental concept of existence that all living things hold within them. An excellent magician can be reincarnated with the memories of their life kept in their source, and even if the physical body perishes, as long as the source is intact, they can be revived.
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Conceptual Nonexistence: These are characters for which one or multiple concepts, that are necessary for their own existence, are nonexistent.

Lacking a source qualifies for Aspect Type 2.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Conceptual Nonexistence: These are characters for which one or multiple concepts, that are necessary for their own existence, are nonexistent.

Lacking a source qualifies for Aspect Type 2.
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Idealistic Nonexistence: The character doesn't exist in a sense further beyond conventional nonexistence. In terms of binary, this would be something that is neither 1 nor 0, where 1 is existence and 0 is nonexistence.

That's when the character is non-existent, not when he doesn't have the fundamental concept of existence, the fundamental concept of existence and mind, soul and body, whereas NEP2 is conventional non-existence, you're confusing things.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Conceptual Nonexistence: These are characters for which one or multiple concepts, that are necessary for their own existence, are nonexistent.

Lacking a source qualifies for Aspect Type 2.
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NEP2 is basically the concept of nothing, a place where there are no concepts, that doesn't qualify for NEP2, you probably don't know much about the other NEPS besides 5.
 
Yemma670 said:
If it has nothing to do with destiny and law then close the crt.

This crt was meant for aspect type 5 law and fate
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I was just explaining what a source is, I said that the source itself has nothing to do with laws or destiny, as what is being discussed here is not what the source is.
 
Dog3352 said:
NEP2 is basically the concept of nothing, a place where there are no concepts, that doesn't qualify for NEP2, you probably don't know much about the other NEPS besides 5.
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Are you seriously belittling me right now? Considering I made the Sun Wukong Profile who minds you have the most OP Infinitely Layered Nep Type 2 on the site I would assume I know more than NEPS besides Type 5.

Beings more Nonexistent than NEP Type 2 beyond Fundamental Existence does not qualify for Aspect Type 5. How do I know? Because Sun Wukong has that times infinity and it's still not why he qualified for having Aspect Type 5. You guys are simply wrong in this context, gather some scans and try again but don't just sit there telling anyone who denies your views that they're wrong.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Are you seriously belittling me right now? Considering I made the Sun Wukong Profile who minds you have the most OP Infinitely Layered Nep Type 2 on the site I would assume I know more than NEPS besides Type 5.

Beings more Nonexistent than NEP Type 2 beyond Fundamental Existence does not qualify for Aspect Type 5. How do I know? Because Sun Wukong has that times infinity and it's still not why he qualified for having Aspect Type 5. You guys are simply wrong in this context, gather some scans and try again but don't just sit there telling anyone who denies your views that they're wrong.
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You said that a character that has no source (something that exists beyond mind, soul, body), has NEP2...as far as I know NEP2 and conventional nonexistence, and not a character that doesn't have mind, soul and body.. .

It is one thing to say that this is not enough for aspect 5, another to say that this is NEP2.
 
ActuallySpaceMan said:
Are you seriously belittling me right now? Considering I made the Sun Wukong Profile who minds you have the most OP Infinitely Layered Nep Type 2 on the site I would assume I know more than NEPS besides Type 5.

Beings more Nonexistent than NEP Type 2 beyond Fundamental Existence does not qualify for Aspect Type 5. How do I know? Because Sun Wukong has that times infinity and it's still not why he qualified for having Aspect Type 5. You guys are simply wrong in this context, gather some scans and try again but don't just sit there telling anyone who denies your views that they're wrong.
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And this CRT is not just about Graham existing even without the source, have you seen the CRT links?
 
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