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Yee I know which is why natsu won't be able to hurt kizaru
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Natsu vs logia?
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They interacted with his light without Haki. He simply regenerated because even you can can hit them they'll regenerate unless that intangibility is negated like how Buso does.
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wait, you said that that doesn't stop them from turning intangible then you said they can treat them as solid. But that is not regeneration if they are intangible, they simply use prosthetic limbs with their elements for their main body. That last part is what you said which is utilizing what you said about DS hardening.
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Sting would though.
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or he simply put his light parts back together that still exist.
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Why and who?
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We already have examples of “physical” logia’s, that, despite being able to be touched, still don’t take damage from conventional attacks.
Kuzan’s ice form shatters when hit by physical attacks, for example. People can physically interact with his ice body, but he doesn’t take any actual damage.
Kuzan’s ice form shatters when hit by physical attacks, for example. People can physically interact with his ice body, but he doesn’t take any actual damage.
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I never said they can't turn them solid. They can but that doesn't stop them from reforming.
It's literally accepted as elemental regeneration. It's not applicable to the true body but that's irrelevant since DS aren't hitting the true bodies of Logia's thus allowing them to reform from damage.
Again making them solid doesn't negate their intangibility.
Which is the point. They reconstruct themselves whenever the elemental body is damaged. Slayer's have no way of stopping them from regenerating or a way of hitting the true body.
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Ohh that guy with the weird fake light... No
Again even if he can touch and interact with light it will do no damage to kizaru himself as shown in the scan above
Again even if he can touch and interact with light it will do no damage to kizaru himself as shown in the scan above
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Sting can't hit his True body. He's not a light slayer, he's the white slayer. He can eat anything that's white, Kizaru's shit is yellow.
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because like other DS can interact and damage those with their elements, and Sting who utilizes White and Light elements.
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He can manipulate anything white and light, not just white.
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Yee but not to logias, as their true body is separate from their element one
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Doesn't change the fact that he can't stop Kizaru's intangibility and regeneration. Best he can do is treat Kizaru like a solid like how Appo did but won't stop him from regenerating.
The Elemental body =/= the true body.
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I mean DS can still harmed and even killed beings with elemental states as their bodies dissipate.
I see what you mean in them being separate in bodies but they would have to choose to go into those states, With Appo, it is not like it was by surprise, plus took a while to attack and Kizaru has Observation Haki. Don't really see it as regenerating since his main body is unharmed and is just light. to me it would be considered regenerating if their main body is damaged and use prosthetics like Kuzan's leg.
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Most Logia's have their intangibility on 24/7 and they can trigger it when attacked. This is a non point to argue as your assuming they can blitz the Logia in question.
Both of these are irrelevant.
Just because he has it doesn't mean he'll use it. Furthermore, the fact that a sneak attack from Appo failed to hit his True body and only the elemental only further debunks your argument.
I don't care what you think with all due respect. It's accepted as such and the profiles already explain the regeneration isn't for the true body. Don't like it? Make a CRT.
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The attack is instantaneous, even if kizaru used observation haki... He still wouldn't know how he got hit/how to avoid it
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Gin, Just do we are clear that they have to consciously choose to go into their logia state. It is still relevant as he has time to activate his logia form. You don’t need it when your enemy takes forever to attack and have enough time to go into elemental state. That doesn’t debunk my point since his physical body is unharmed as it is his light form
Agree to disagree but last point is that even in elemental states DS can kill their enemies like that in the manga.
At this point, I am going to drop it as there is no point.
Agree to disagree but last point is that even in elemental states DS can kill their enemies like that in the manga.
At this point, I am going to drop it as there is no point.
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Pretty sure he has enough time to transform after a nice song.
https://**********.com/read-online/One-Piece-chapter-509-page-17.html
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The activation is triggered by them being attacked. This is accepted, again you can make a CRT if you disagree.
Getting attacked is enough to activate it. There's plenty more feats than anti feats of Logia's having automatic intangibility. Hell most of them tend just to stay in their logia forms.
So now Logia's take forever to attack? Get real.
You quite literally aren't understanding. Slayer's cannot negate the intangibility or regeneration of Logia's. They just reform when hit.
This isn't an agree to disagree thing CNBA. It's accepted as regeneration so you can either accept it and shut up or make a CRT to remove it.
No Logia type character has ever been killed by a Slayer Fairy Tail. Natsu didn't kill Atlas.
There's no point because you have no real argument.
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You're the only person here that doesn't comprehend that. You can do whatever you want to a Logia while they're transformed they'll just regenerate from it.
Treating them as a solid does jack all but trigger the regeneration.
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Didn’t stop Ace from having his face smashed into the ground by Smoker.
That is not regeneration though since they still exist and just scattered and reformed, regeneration is something that is lost, like Kuzan’s leg.
No, but Silver attacked Atlas body and reduced it to a meager fire. Gajeel killed Bloodman in a elemental state.
That is not regeneration though since they still exist and just scattered and reformed, regeneration is something that is lost, like Kuzan’s leg.
No, but Silver attacked Atlas body and reduced it to a meager fire. Gajeel killed Bloodman in a elemental state.
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Which isn't accepted as an anti feat.
Again it's accepted as such, make a CRT if you disagree or literally shut up. Getting tired of you somehow thinking your perspective invalidates what's accepted.
That's freezing Fire which can be done. Also pretty sure Silver didn't kill Atlas, just froze him in place.
Because he can interact with Bane particles. Bane Particles don't even consist of elemental shit.
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Jesus yall talk about the same shit over and over and over and over and ******* over
The transformation into their elemental states is automatic.
Ask Sabo who transformed by accident when trying to dodge.
Ask Enel who was transforming when he was sleeping when he was being attacked.
Smoker and Ace's showing in alabasta is PIS, as Ace has been shot, stabbed, and attacked off guard and still transformed before he even knew he was being attacked.
Blackbeard said that Ace hasn't been touched in a long time. That wouldn't ******* work if he was touched a few months before.
When they listed the methods of attacking a logia they didn't say attack off guard.
It's regeneration for their elemental forms.
Natsu can't hurt Ace. To hurt a logia you don't need NPI, you need intangibility negation. They are transforming into an entirely different state of existence. It's like hurting the Hulk but not Bruce Banner.
Damn
The transformation into their elemental states is automatic.
Ask Sabo who transformed by accident when trying to dodge.
Ask Enel who was transforming when he was sleeping when he was being attacked.
Smoker and Ace's showing in alabasta is PIS, as Ace has been shot, stabbed, and attacked off guard and still transformed before he even knew he was being attacked.
Blackbeard said that Ace hasn't been touched in a long time. That wouldn't ******* work if he was touched a few months before.
When they listed the methods of attacking a logia they didn't say attack off guard.
It's regeneration for their elemental forms.
Natsu can't hurt Ace. To hurt a logia you don't need NPI, you need intangibility negation. They are transforming into an entirely different state of existence. It's like hurting the Hulk but not Bruce Banner.
Damn
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Not "yall" I explained Logia mechanics to him, to which was ignored.
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Will just say with Enel he has haki, Sabo since he was starting out with DF powers that shows it requires activation so mot automatic. I wouldn’t take BB for word of wisdom since he hasn’t been around Ace for a long time. There is Caeser as well who is constantly stretched and crumpled as he showed struggle from it.
Those are normal flames from a flesh and blood being, not flames of a living being which is stated can burn magic too. And it is ice from a slayer too so it applies. He was still damaged from the ice when he appeared and revived.
Bane Particles possess Iron which is what Gajeel used the first time before consuming.
Those are normal flames from a flesh and blood being, not flames of a living being which is stated can burn magic too. And it is ice from a slayer too so it applies. He was still damaged from the ice when he appeared and revived.
Bane Particles possess Iron which is what Gajeel used the first time before consuming.
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Iron isn't intangible.
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if Natsu were only to have NPI, then sure he won't hurt logias nor Ace
however
afaik logias don't resist Natsu's type 2 Conceptual Manipulation
beside CM2, Natsu has powernull which capable of doing this on his profile
Zeref who has this
so yeah
Natsu hurts Ace
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Having conceptual NPI doesn't mean it works on every form of intangibility. Thankfully for Ace he isn't a concept.
What's Natsu gonna target? The concept of fire which would **** him over?
What's Natsu gonna target? The concept of fire which would **** him over?
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Natsu's regeneration nullification doesn't scale to the full value of Zeref's regeneration.
Natsu can't burn the concept regularly. If he's attacked by it then he can nullify conceptual time magic, Ace uses no such thing so moot point.
Not sure what's your saying here.
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Right, but Natsu's powernull is good enough to slow Zeref's regen and render him immobile
Fine ig
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For seconds, and Zeref regeneration is different than Ace's. Zeref's is based on a curse, Ace's is based on him turning into an element and reforming. They're two different types of regeneration, Natsu cannot effect elements are simply reforming since it's not a conventional form of regeneration.
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For the last time make a CRT if you don't think it's regeneration.
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I don't really understand the point of this thread tbh.
If the question is can Natsu interact with intangible Elements, then yes, his fight with Atlas Flame proves that quite well.
But if the Question is can Natsu get around logia's elemental regen then it depends on the level of regen vs Natsu's "destructive" feats and temperature. We know that by feats alone he can vaporize people, thus he can obviously get around up to low-High regen (A logia example would be Akainu as he has low-High currently). A more contentious approach would be to use stated temp of 200 million C that Natsu's fire can reach, which at that level of heat can cause fusion reactions to occur, and thus should be capable of dealing with regen even on the molecular/atomic level (High Regen). There is also the argument that since Natsu has been shown to burn light before, if you were to consider that, then he could get around most forms of logia regen iirc.
The minimum bet is to say he gets around regen up to Mid-High with arguments for higher but can slow normal regen like Zeref's well into the godly tiers. but like Gin said, logia's regen is unconventional, so the former should be considered relevant here.
If the question is can Natsu interact with intangible Elements, then yes, his fight with Atlas Flame proves that quite well.
But if the Question is can Natsu get around logia's elemental regen then it depends on the level of regen vs Natsu's "destructive" feats and temperature. We know that by feats alone he can vaporize people, thus he can obviously get around up to low-High regen (A logia example would be Akainu as he has low-High currently). A more contentious approach would be to use stated temp of 200 million C that Natsu's fire can reach, which at that level of heat can cause fusion reactions to occur, and thus should be capable of dealing with regen even on the molecular/atomic level (High Regen). There is also the argument that since Natsu has been shown to burn light before, if you were to consider that, then he could get around most forms of logia regen iirc.
The minimum bet is to say he gets around regen up to Mid-High with arguments for higher but can slow normal regen like Zeref's well into the godly tiers. but like Gin said, logia's regen is unconventional, so the former should be considered relevant here.
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Logia has resistance to their respective element
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