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Natsu vs logia?
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Wouldn’t that just be being able to interact with heir bodies like ace but not actually hurt them?
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If you can interact with them you can most certainly hurt them like some DS did or eat them.
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Ahh ok
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Not really, you need intangibility negation to work on them not NPI. Even NPI they'd just regenerate from the damage.
I'm not touching the eating vs logia subject with a 10 foot pole.
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So even with natsu being able to burn concepts he wouldn’t be able to hit them?
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Pretty sure interacting with concepts doesn't allow you to interact with every form of intangibility. They're different types after all.
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Damn ok
That’s surprising, sp logia intangibility is a lot more broken than I thought
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Not quite. They're just different forms after all and it's just conceptual NPI. Not intangibility negation so they'd just reconstruct themselves.
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Natsu's burning time is more than just NPI considering he has this on his profile
Natsu's burning time is more than just NPI considering he has this on his profile
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Pretty sure for intangibility users can still be hurt by DS users still if they have no tangible forms to begin with like Atlas.
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Doesn't stop them from regenerating, if anything it'd just automatically trigger that regeneration.
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More like reforming as your body becomes malleable, for Logias you need to be trained to automatically transform on reflex iirc.
Regeneration is more about replacing what was lost or damaged. Logia transform to avoid damage, they would have to create new limbs if their regular ones were lost on their physical forms.
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Never stated at all or even hinted at it
You automatically transform when you eat the fruit
These 3 ways are the only ways to fight logias, it says nothing about moving faster than they can transform or catching them off guard
NPI doesn't hurt/attack logia's... You'd need elemental intang negation (which haki does by basically turning/changing the logia/element into a solid form) which then attacks the true body
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I was referring to how Crocodile trained himself to be able to activate his logia body on reflex, not sure if that is how fans took that but it is the most logical, as Smoker and Ace both were damaged when Luffy crashed into them, so it would show that they have to consciously be aware and make the choice of to turn their bodies into elements.
DS can do that too with intang bodies.
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Blud just used a comedic scene as evidence.
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Sea Stone gives off a ambient energy, hence why Smoker couldn't go through the gap.
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The imgur doesn’t say energy though and you have to be touching it, but if it is about energy, why isn’t smoker weakened or suffering when he has sea prison stone sword on his back.
Plus again with Smoker’s face splashed with water and he was irritated by that.
And there is Smoker holding down Ace with his hand, and there is Chopper pulling apart Caeser to use as a net without the former having known Haki powers.
Plus again with Smoker’s face splashed with water and he was irritated by that.
And there is Smoker holding down Ace with his hand, and there is Chopper pulling apart Caeser to use as a net without the former having known Haki powers.
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Bro is debating against actually facts with weird headcanon interpretations
... Like wtf
Bro is capping and twisting about statements...
... Like wtf
show me the statement of crocodile saying that... Because he never did, he said he trained it to make it stronger/more potent, also better precision and control...
This is how all devil fruits functions... They can be trained
Bro is capping and twisting about statements...
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you've named all these moments (of just interacting) yet none of them is shown getting damaged from that... So what you're saying doesn't matter/hold any weight
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It's only on the tip of it... Not the whole thing
This is stated for smoker to be able to do as well btw
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With Crocodile it is what the fans made of it compared to other Logia users.
Caeser was clearly feeling it with how he is stretched out and such, Smoker and Ace receiving damage from their incident in Alabasta is shown.
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The tip is still enough to render devil fruit users immobile as seen when he pinned
Luffy, he had the whole thing on his back, the only way energy emissions to be affective at reach is where there is no difference between the touch,
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He was not damaged or hurt, he was completely fine... Just angry
They did not
This scan shows no damage at all
dust on smokers face and ace just making a noise of getting annoyed
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And here is Caeser showing actual discomfort when being molded up.
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speaks with too much confidence yet is wrong about literally everything
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And here is Caeser showing actual discomfort when being molded up.
Linked two scans of no damage and a video of no damage... Thx for proving they weren't damaged
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did you not see the marks on their faces?
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anyway back on track, Natsu can harm logia users just as any DS can with elemental interactions and attack them, like Gajeel able to interact with Bloodman based on iron traces which makes him capable of getting that lucky shot around the beginning and then at the end since their bodies are naturally Bane Particles. and even chewing on elements too.
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Interacting with the element doesn't damage their true body... So no
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DS just make shit solid, they don't negate intangibility.
Again they don't negate intangibility.
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making them solid is basically negation, otherwise they would not be able to damage them. it is similar to natural weakness stuff, as stated in the imgur posted earlier.
DS just makes them solid which they can do damage to. Based on natural weakness stating to harden their body which makes their intangibility neutralized.
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Elemental interaction
Elemental intangabilty/dispersion
Just so you can understand the differences
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one, Kizaru is logia type and they did not have haki nor exploited their weakness or have sea prison stone.Elemental interaction
Elemental intangabilty/dispersion
Just so you can understand the differences
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Making them solid is in no way shape or form like negation. They can interact with elements, not stop them from turning intangible and negating the regeneration.
They can damage them because they can treat the elements like a solid. It's nothing like the weakness stuff that you've posted. This is just a faulty causation you've made.
There is no statement about them hardening their body. Again your argument makes no sense, turning an element solid doesn't stop it from reforming. They have NPI, not intangibility negation.
Make a CRT if you disagree or stop the cap.
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