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have to ask anyone working on zeus profile?
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Nasuverse Discussion Board 30
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Nope, and probably won't for a while.AshenCrow777 said:
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We need to wait for his mats to be released, and i think it will take two years for that, Surtr got the green light because his mats was out long ago
As for the servants that showed up in Olympus however, we can do a work on that (mainly Quirinus and Dioscuri since their bio are explained it well, Caenis might need a more work)
As for the servants that showed up in Olympus however, we can do a work on that (mainly Quirinus and Dioscuri since their bio are explained it well, Caenis might need a more work)
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Chaos doesn't really do 'can erase', more like he 'erases just by being there'.
Also, where is Beast VII's picture? That T-pose should be preseved for posterity, if nothing else.
...And does anyone feel that Ritsuka is getting less and less important to the story? I kinda feel that way, like his/her being there really doesn't change much.
Also, where is Beast VII's picture? That T-pose should be preseved for posterity, if nothing else.
...And does anyone feel that Ritsuka is getting less and less important to the story? I kinda feel that way, like his/her being there really doesn't change much.
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It was a gut feeling. Plus my disdain for the Crypters and those who've already starting calling a certain someone 'Brodime'.
Seriously? It's like we've already forgotten what they did to our Chaldea (along with all the staff inside) and Da Vinci. Like they've forgotten the reason we're running around in the Shadow Border and not enjoying the results of, you know, saving human history. Yes, I know there won't be much of a game without it, but I am finding this attitude overly forgiving.
Acknowledge them as 'people who had no choice' and 'people who were caught between a rock and a hard place', sure. I read the stories and profiles. I can imagine what they must've gone through. Ritsuka can probably relate on a personal level.
Shake hands and cooperate and build mutual understanding, why not? One less enemy is one less problem.
Start preaching how wonderful they are and making all this loving (at least, sympathizing) fanart about them? I like the Crypter x Guda ships as much as the next shipper, but I can't help but feel that our actions were cheap.
It's not called Holding a Grudge. It's called Actually Remembering the Crap they threw at you before the Author gods started telling us to adore them.
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Take Part 1 for instance. There's no mistake that Ritsuka is absolutely pivotal to all this, that no matter how much the spotlight is on the Servants, Ritsuka is the focus of the mission.
Now we know that Wodime took the other Crypters (except Daybit) on a similar, slightly easier adventure through the Singularities, that all along there were two other people who could've replaced us completely, who simply had the bad luck to be caught in Lev's bombing.
I feel that Ritsuka and his/her achievements have been cheapened a lot. Like how Bakugou could use One for All in the movie cheapens Midoriya's character.
And in Part 2, the focus and the spotlight shifts to the Crypters. Ritsuka becomes something like a camera for us to see the plot through. The Crypters are the ones who get actual character development and screentime, and this is most prominent in 2.2, where the focus is almost entirely on the dynamic between Ophelia and the rest of the cast.
Just think about it. Ritsuka has started becoming less of a self-insert towards the end of Part 1 by way of actually having interests and a personality, but now in Part 2 I feel they've sidelined it to focus on licking the Crypters clean and shiny so they can sell more stories on the side--which, admittedly, is how they've always treated their content, but that doesn't make it a good idea here.
Seriously? It's like we've already forgotten what they did to our Chaldea (along with all the staff inside) and Da Vinci. Like they've forgotten the reason we're running around in the Shadow Border and not enjoying the results of, you know, saving human history. Yes, I know there won't be much of a game without it, but I am finding this attitude overly forgiving.
Acknowledge them as 'people who had no choice' and 'people who were caught between a rock and a hard place', sure. I read the stories and profiles. I can imagine what they must've gone through. Ritsuka can probably relate on a personal level.
Shake hands and cooperate and build mutual understanding, why not? One less enemy is one less problem.
Start preaching how wonderful they are and making all this loving (at least, sympathizing) fanart about them? I like the Crypter x Guda ships as much as the next shipper, but I can't help but feel that our actions were cheap.
It's not called Holding a Grudge. It's called Actually Remembering the Crap they threw at you before the Author gods started telling us to adore them.
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Take Part 1 for instance. There's no mistake that Ritsuka is absolutely pivotal to all this, that no matter how much the spotlight is on the Servants, Ritsuka is the focus of the mission.
Now we know that Wodime took the other Crypters (except Daybit) on a similar, slightly easier adventure through the Singularities, that all along there were two other people who could've replaced us completely, who simply had the bad luck to be caught in Lev's bombing.
I feel that Ritsuka and his/her achievements have been cheapened a lot. Like how Bakugou could use One for All in the movie cheapens Midoriya's character.
And in Part 2, the focus and the spotlight shifts to the Crypters. Ritsuka becomes something like a camera for us to see the plot through. The Crypters are the ones who get actual character development and screentime, and this is most prominent in 2.2, where the focus is almost entirely on the dynamic between Ophelia and the rest of the cast.
Just think about it. Ritsuka has started becoming less of a self-insert towards the end of Part 1 by way of actually having interests and a personality, but now in Part 2 I feel they've sidelined it to focus on licking the Crypters clean and shiny so they can sell more stories on the side--which, admittedly, is how they've always treated their content, but that doesn't make it a good idea here.
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Make hin a glass cannon.
Or DB Logic "Didn't have their guard up"
Or DB Logic "Didn't have their guard up"
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Holmes deduced again that to beat Chaos which is on a Planet/Star level, you need the energy equivalant to Goetia's scorching of Pan Human History (!) to achieve it.Peter1129 said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/grandorder/comments/g2w8wo/olympus_plot_spoiler_2nd_hand_source_musashi/
AAS using all of its energy can do it.
@Omega Zero EX
Goetia's energy is enough to kill Chaos, as I posted above. Remember that Zeus needed all the energy accumulated by the Fantasy Tree Atlas that is equal Goetia's 3000 years to power-up Olympus space travel (he himself admits that such energy is beyond him), so Zeus DOESN'T have the same level of energy that Goetia accumulated. Also AAS is just the energy that goetia felt that was enough for his plan to accumulate, the amount needed to travel to genesis and absorb all the energy from the planet's birth and become the planet itself. Zeus had Authority over Gaia, Goetia's activated AAS would have made Goetia into Gaia.
Also the whole anti-solar system and anti-concept thing was Zeus going all out.. Which would be comparable (and yet inferior by his own admision) to Goetia's activating AAS for good, as he would also remake Earth without the concepts he didn't like.
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Guys first of all hello to everyone.
I'm just gonna ask a question, answer me if you can please.
Can any of you make a rank for Nasuverse? If not, please can you tell me if is there any stronger characters than Gilgamesh, if yes who are they.
Thanks in advance.
I'm just gonna ask a question, answer me if you can please.
Can any of you make a rank for Nasuverse? If not, please can you tell me if is there any stronger characters than Gilgamesh, if yes who are they.
Thanks in advance.
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I cannot rank the whole Nasuverse, no, but I can give you a few folks who are stronger than Gilgamesh. Berserker (Arjuna Alter), Archetype Earth, and Infinity Kojiro are all examples of people who are stronger than Gilgamesh.
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I'm going to dispute Kojiro on that list, but mainly because his power is weird and unquantifiable.
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@Blueicemonkey I'd rather wait for better translations and see which one is correct. Since I've already seen a couple of summaries saying not even Goetia with the energy from the Incineration of Humanity could do much against Chaos so this is the first time I've seen a summary say you need energy on par with Goetia's incineration of humanity to be able to have a chance at destroying Chaos.
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@Iapitus
I'm gonna dispute Kojiro too. Sure, Kojiro will certainly win in a straight fight. But Gilgamesh fights in anything but a straight fight and is far more likely to just rain Noble Phantasms until Kojiro slips up and dies.
His skill is sublime, but skill will only get you so far when Gil has countless weapons that can kill Heracles at his disposal.
I'm gonna dispute Kojiro too. Sure, Kojiro will certainly win in a straight fight. But Gilgamesh fights in anything but a straight fight and is far more likely to just rain Noble Phantasms until Kojiro slips up and dies.
His skill is sublime, but skill will only get you so far when Gil has countless weapons that can kill Heracles at his disposal.
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@Reppuzan
You can't compare Heracles to Kojiro because they are two different heroic spirits with different sublime abilities and skills.
You can't compare Heracles to Kojiro because they are two different heroic spirits with different sublime abilities and skills.
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> sees ArjunalterIapitus The Impaler said:
Speaking of a stonger 2-A, have we told anyone of the 2-A chain? Or we're gonna show them after the forum movr?
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If you make a claim that character X is stronger than character Y, you should provide some evidence. Or add "in my opinion" because we had Arjuna vs Gilgamesh thread and Arjuna didn't win so obviously not everyone agrees with that.
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Honestly Nasuverse scaling is just power-playing.
There are like "Arjunalter strongest" "Gil strongest" "Zeus strongest" "BB strongest" people arguing who is the strongest.
There are like "Arjunalter strongest" "Gil strongest" "Zeus strongest" "BB strongest" people arguing who is the strongest.
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Sadly Lolicons' opinions don't matter.
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Yes, because you can make a solid argument for each of them.Diinou HotHead said:
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Blueicemonkey said:
Why would we actually believe Holmes here anyways? Is this a narrative fact? Holmes only saw Chaos' eye, not his real body, so maybe its a conjecture since it's not like Holmes got everything right the first time anyways. I think Chaos' endurance shouldn't automatically become that just because Holmes said so, we still need to wait for the actual endurance feats, but Holmes statements do mean something since he already scaled him that high just from the eye, but its not concrete enough to be treated as a fact.
On the LB Zeus and comparison vs Beast Goetia part, we do know that while Concepts trumps firepower, the reverse is also true(overpowering a concept with superior firepower), with Fusion Zeus killing Sefar despite Sefar's defensive conceptual advantage as the main example, so I have no problem with that, though I doubt Goetia is that much powerful he can resist LB Zeus Anti-concept with his own power, since most his firepower all comes from 3000 year AAS, not from himself.
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Holmes just said he doubts Goetia from final incineration stage would have a chance against ChaosPeter1129 said:
That's it
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Pretty muchSS2V said:
Just wanted to end this "Goetia AAS can kill Chaos" that some people are using from that reddit summary which is misleading since Holmes himself also states that the same energy can't actually kill Chaos.
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By the way, i meant is there any stronger characters than Gilgamesh when he is at his strongest.
Grand Archer, Grand Assassin and etc are stronger than Gilgamesh i guess?
Grand Archer, Grand Assassin and etc are stronger than Gilgamesh i guess?
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Does Strongest Gilgamesh include Ten Crowns Gil from CCC? Though even without that he has SNI, all the treasures of the GoB, and Ea. Honestly I wouldn't be surprised if the Grands had trouble against that collection of powers.
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Because Holmes is the source of the statement about whether or not that amount or energy can harm Chaos? Are you going to ignore it the moment it doesn't fit the result you want?Omega Zero EX said:
Anyways, it seems that most people are agreeing that AAS (at least its energy) wouldn't be able to deal with Chaos.
As for Goetia vs Zeus, it would depend on whether Zeus's attacks can destroy the Time Temple. Or if he can get in there in the first place. Both AAS and Ars Paulina are part of Goetia, you can't really separate either of them from him.
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Only a Sith deals in absolutes.The4Godlike said:
Gil is in 0 way the absolute strongest guy in the Verse. Examples include Sefar, LB King Iva.
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Does anyone know if the Black barrel Mash used was a replica or not, because if the translations were true, it's implied Zeus could only be defeated by it after he lowered his defences.
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Only a Jedi deals in inceptions of inceptions of inceptions of inceptions.BakiHanma18 said:
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Oh yes.
By the way, why does Berserker go berserk? And man, Archer Class IS really made up of Archers.
By the way, why does Berserker go berserk? And man, Archer Class IS really made up of Archers.
