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Nasuverse Discussion Board 26

I was in that thread when Void was downgraded and most of the people who argued for her downgrade were Shinza fans. Funny enough the thread initially wanted to bump up Shiki to 1-A but it tunred into a downgraded thread instead.

Most of the useres who wanted her bumped down no longer on this site.
 
Tbh people have been promoted to 1-A with far weaker arguments than the one I can make for Shiki.

She's so fundamentally above everything in the Nasuverse that they might as well be ants just dicking around near her according to the 1 chapter we hear about her powers from.

Did they leave the site because they wanted to or because they were kicked?
 
Seeing how the majority of Fate gods are 2-A now it won't be ridiculous for Shiki to be tier 1 since she is supposedly a cut above everything else in the verse
 
iirc Akasha is above anything and everythin in the Nasuverse, including things like dimensions.

But then again Nasu did the Tite Kubo thing where he makes something that sounds really cool and then never details it ever agai.
 
ZERO7772 said:
Seeing how the majority of Fate gods are 2-A now it won't be ridiculous for Shiki to be tier 1 since she is supposedly a cut above everything else in the verse
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There are still incredulous people wanting 2-As down though. So I'm not convinced if you could count your chickens yet.

Thanks to that, we're stuck with AP revisions&discussions, while in reality we could have go on to Authority Revisions and Speed Revisions, maybe even establish a proper scaling chain.
 
ZERO7772 said:
You have Masada fans to thx for that~
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It was? I thought it was just to remove the Akasha page, because Akasha isnt a person but place. I think that was the reason why she was rated unknown.
 
We need a massive speed revision since Excalibur has been stated to be light speed iirc.

And I can't exactly call them misguided. The 2-A upgrade made the Nasuverse extremely weak as a verse, in a different way, and it's pretty likely there's more than a few who think that the upgrade wasn't accurate and doesn't fit
 
Well the main argument was that Void Shiki is basically Akasha given form and personality hence why she was scaled to Akasha to begin with.

There was other an argument like Nasus stating that Void Shiki could only fight against servants in a defensive battle
 
Hasn't Nasu himself stated that he lies a lot just to screw with people?

I wouldn't exactly trust his word of god over the story he's written just because of that.
 
KnightOfSunlight said:
We need a massive speed revision since Excalibur has been stated to be light speed iirc.
And I can't exactly call them misguided. The 2-A upgrade made the Nasuverse extremely weak as a verse, in a different way, and it's pretty likely there's more than a few who think that the upgrade wasn't accurate and doesn't fit
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Excalibur thingy would scale to normal Servants, so I don't see why it can't be made right now.

Nasuverse 2-As are like, just upgraded in AP. They still haven't got their Authorities fully explained or discussed yet.
 
Like, we have direct statements from Shiki herself that she is Akasha, and statements from both mages and servants alike that akasha is >>>>>>>> everything in the nasuverse.

I'd hesitate to trust someone who said themselves that they lie a ton just for fun over that.

It's a Kamiya situation except Nasu isn't the Royal Guard master
 
In Void Shiki bond card

As stated by law, emptiness is an unrestrained realm.
Free from Binary Opposition.
It is the heart that contemplates the laws of the world and the world's existence in its present.

Distant is the sky, pale in colors.
That exquisite figure stands upon an indistinguishable realm.
Gazing afar towards the whereabouts of the stars.

There's also someone in Omniversal justifying them to be 1-A.

I dont know if omniversal is reliable.
 
Oh boy how fun.

And yeah that bond card, albeit flowery, is pretty textbook 1-A level stuff from my understanding of it. And looking at the quotes provided about Akasha in Omniversal, where there's literal statements of Akasha being above existence as a whole and merely looking over it, well.
 
"The Swirl of the Root (µá╣µ║ÉÒü«µ©ª, Kongen no Uzu?, "the Vortex of Radix" in the English localization), also known as the Root (µá╣µ║É,Kongen?, "Radix" in the English localization), the Akashic Records (ÒéóÒé½ÒéÀÒââÒé»Òâ¼Òé│Òâ╝Òâë, Akashikku Rekoudo?), or occasionally, Heaven (þ®║, Sora?), is a metaphysical location within the Nasuverse that acts as the "force" that exists at the top of all theories in every dimension, as well as the source of all events and phenomena in the universe."_

Ôùï Akasha exists above all of the dimensions in Nasuverse, as well as transcending space and time completely as well.

_"Existing outside of time, it stores and archives information of all possibilities and events, past, present, and future, of the world."_

[1]

_"Seeing the Root, touching it and then managing to understand it will completely erase the meaning of "impossible", granting the magus what some would describe as "the capabilities of God". Needless to say, this is impossible for even the most talented magi."_

Ôùï Magi are capable of performing a lot of Conceptual Attacks, but they cannot reach the root itself. Meaning that the concepts of Science and Mathematics since Akasha is a metaphysical location that cannot be comprehended at all, at least by all the people of Nasuverse.

()

Ôùï Everything, including the concepts of dimensions, Spacetime... originated from the Root itself. It's enough to justify its status that it transcends dimensions, spacetime and mathematical concepts itself.

Credit to the guy at omniversal that found this: [http:// https://omniversal-battlefield.fandom.com/wiki/Message_Wall:LSL7699 LSL7699]
 
Oh.

Oh no.

The Earth Mother Goddess draws its power directly from the Root, according to BB's CCC profiles

Oh lord.

Either A. The root is actually 2-A, B. BB can't draw anywhere close to its full power, or C. BB's 1-A now.

Please be B.
 
Just because you draw your power from infinite source doesn't mean you scale to that as a whole thought.

Ren fuji from Dies Irae was powered directly by the throne "1-A" but Ren himself was just tier 5
 
Well, I'd say that the Mooncell is still below the Root only because we don't have explicit evidence of the Mooncell being at the Root's level.

And since a character could surpass it, that's more evidence, whereas nobody can nor has surpassed the Root as of yet.

It seems the Mooncell "functions" like the Root but does not have the Root's "Power"
 
ZERO7772 said:
Just because you draw your power from infinite source doesn't mean you scale to that as a whole thought.
Ren fuji from Dies Irae was powered directly by the throne "1-A" but Ren himself was just tier 5
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Another vote for option B, good.
 
I caught a glimpse from the Shiki Tier Revision Thread that Akasha was supposed to be made into an explanation blog.

So whoever's supposed to make that is no longer in the wiki, or was it forgotten?
 
The whole the argument for Root would be destroyed anyway if it rivaled by anything anyway. Unless there is a literal Jesus in Fate universe and he have God blessing lol.

Speaking of which, Ruler class Jesus when?
 
Huh... You do know all mystery is also drawn from Akasha, right...? Drawing from a way superior source doesn't scale you to it every time. Drawing from a way superior source also doesn't change how much energy you can output. Sakura has so much magical energy she could supply Saber for years after Heaven's Feel, but her maximum output is still 1000 like Rin.

The void Shiki thing would be extremely dumb in my eyes too. Saying not to trust Nasu's words when most of his statements are fully serious is a bad argument. You can tell when he's playing around, like that comment about one of the characters having the power of 3000 Neko Arc punches.

More than anything, Void Shiki claims a lot, doesn't do any of it, and as far as we can see she's physically very much the same. Unknown is very justified for a totally unknown character, surprisingly.
 
Diinou HotHead said:
I caught a glimpse from the Shiki Tier Revision Thread that Akasha was supposed to be made into an explanation blog.

So whoever's supposed to make that is no longer in the wiki, or was it forgotten?
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It was really just an exuses for downgrade Shiki. I don't think Akasha got a blog page.
 
Shiki's place was weird back then. All gods in Fate universe were placed around tier 5-4 back then, and then you had Shiki, who was tier 1 by herself.
 
We should have an Explanation Blog for Akasha.

And yeah, Lance, I know that you can draw power from something and not be at it's level.

I enjoy playing things up. Let me have my fun.
 
I'm pretty sure we scale Arc because she has the statement of being equal to or having the Earth Mother Goddesses Authority, despite the fact she's never shown a 2-A feat in her life.

It's a possibly, I know, but still.
 
This "All claims no feats" doesn't hold up. Many characters on site have their tiers from claims alone many of them never did such on this scale.
 
Statements' legitimacy depends on who/how/when they say it, so cracking the context is key. It can be a legit statement, or a mere hyperbole.
 
Wat?

Types don't have in universe statements that go unproven, they have expository statements by the creator, not to mention lore from Notes as back up. They and Void Shiki aren't comparable.
 
Pretty sure that's going to change the entire context of this debate

Shiki could be 1-A, still, or High 1-B, or Low 1-A (Because that's possibly a thing)

We should wait for a bit on this and put it on the back burner. It's not good to run straight forward when you don't even know what you're running at
 
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