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Tyson vs Paul was basically Orochimaru vs Hiruzen…
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
MinatoSparkle
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Mamushi only used physicals
Because they're each monsters. She didn't say that the group as a whole is a monster/monstrous.
That's really not the same as how the Shinju treat him
Could've just escaped before Ryu grabbed him. Also iron sand is just his most basic ability (was Shinki's at least), so certainly supports the narrative that the Shinju Ego are casually far above him
P much by default. And either way it certainly can be the case.
Mangaka can make their own rules when it comes to speed differences
Because the Sound 4 directly do get a 10 times+ strength multiplier. Sasuke you can argue otherwise I guess but not Sakon
I agree, but blocking one kick and getting sent flying and knocked on ur ass is not low end relativityYes, because that's what's commonly used to denote low-end relativity. It's not my fault your arrow logic is outta whack
Not even Kishimoto agrees with youIndeed
So you think his speed barely decreased and his AP lowered a lot?
Nah he got some cool moments. And I imagine you're talking about Orochimaru killing someone by looking at them?
The point of projectiles is to hit someone from a decent distance, so dodging a projectile is a valid feat to scale low end at least.
Fire shuriken>Regular shuriken
He was already arguably superior to Base Weighted Lee before the FoD as Lee felt the need to use the 1st Gate/Primary Lotus, so getting a reaction speed boost is the cherry on top to put him above Zaku who was physically inferior to Base Weighted Lee. The Sharingan also boosts combat speed and AP anyways. I also imagine Sasuke got a mental/hatred amp given the situation and him progressing the Sharingan but it's a little vague.
Why would he underestimate it when he's already seen it...?
I don't understand where you're getting this idea that it's a non-existent/slight boost
Kidomaru's arrows literally went from being easily reacted to by Neji from short-mid range to nearly blitzing him hundreds of meters away
Before Sasuke went CM2
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I even forgot this is still onGud
Mamushi only used physicals
Because they're each monsters. She didn't say that the group as a whole is a monster/monstrous.
That's really not the same as how the Shinju treat him
Could've just escaped before Ryu grabbed him. Also iron sand is just his most basic ability (was Shinki's at least), so certainly supports the narrative that the Shinju Ego are casually far above him
P much by default. And either way it certainly can be the case.
Mangaka can make their own rules when it comes to speed differences
Because the Sound 4 directly do get a 10 times+ strength multiplier. Sasuke you can argue otherwise I guess but not Sakon
I agree, but blocking one kick and getting sent flying and knocked on ur ass is not low end relativity
Indeed
So you think his speed barely decreased and his AP lowered a lot?
Nah he got some cool moments. And I imagine you're talking about Orochimaru killing someone by looking at them?
The point of projectiles is to hit someone from a decent distance, so dodging a projectile is a valid feat to scale low end at least.
Fire shuriken>Regular shuriken
He was already arguably superior to Base Weighted Lee before the FoD as Lee felt the need to use the 1st Gate/Primary Lotus, so getting a reaction speed boost is the cherry on top to put him above Zaku who was physically inferior to Base Weighted Lee. The Sharingan also boosts combat speed and AP anyways. I also imagine Sasuke got a mental/hatred amp given the situation and him progressing the Sharingan but it's a little vague.
Why would he underestimate it when he's already seen it...?
I don't understand where you're getting this idea that it's a non-existent/slight boost
Kidomaru's arrows literally went from being easily reacted to by Neji from short-mid range to nearly blitzing him hundreds of meters away
Before Sasuke went CM2
MinatoSparkle
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Me too for a while
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https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-multiplier-additions.174561/
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Oh god, this is gonna be a clusterfuck.https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-multiplier-additions.174561/
FINALLY GOT THIS OUT
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Uh, no?
I mean, it's a "physical" attack obviously, but most Jutsu are just physical attacks. Doesn't mean they're not stronger than normal, even if marginally so.
Look, this is one of those thing where I think we'll just keep going in "Nu uh! She meant this! Yu Uh! She meant that!" circles.
It's clear we just interpret this differently, so let's just agree to disagree. I don't think your interpretation's like objectively wrong, mind you, but I do believe mine is superior personally. So it is what it is.
Might as well be, damn near everyone has thrown jabs at Lode at this point lol.That's really not the same as how the Shinju treat him
So? It's not exactly a defeater to my argument. People with comparable stats can tag each other. Also one could argue he was caught somewhat off-guard here as he clearly didn't think Ryu (or the other Shinju) could see/sense him.
Again, I don't see how this proves a massive physical gap. That'd be like saying Gaara washes Lee physically because his Sand is above him.
Like, I don't know how many times I need to say this before you understand my position...
I'm not disagreeing with there being a gap, nor am I disagreeing that the Shinju (and Boruto) would wash Code in a fight. I'm disagreeing with a massive physical gap. That's it. Jura notwithstanding ofc.
Never said it couldn't be the case.
Sure, they can. And Kishimoto certainly seems to think a 5x speed boost is pretty significant. And I'm supposed to believe a 10x one is just something people can contend with? I don't think so.Mangaka can make their own rules when it comes to speed differences
Again, to me, this just makes these multipliers absolutely meaningless to me (assuming they are ones for the sake of the argument). Statements are one thing, consistency and logic are another.
Yeah, sure, I agree the amp applies to Sakon (and the rest of the S4 at least), but I don't see why the Kiba thing isn't simply an inconsistency or Sakon simply not going all out.
It is when he easily reacts from point blank range and takes zero damage from said kick. Also Sage Naruto has massively superior LS, which I think helps him in that interaction to send Pain flying.I agree, but blocking one kick and getting sent flying and knocked on ur ass is not low end relativity
Statements are one thing, but again, when the feats don't reflect it, I think the feats take precedence personally.
I don't think the gap in AP is that large either anymore, but it's not a contradiction either way in my eyes because I don't think AP and Speed are proportional 1:1.
These aren't bad, I'm just not that big a fan of his narrative direction post-revival. It's not that he necessarily had any lame moments, at least in Part II.
Just Boruto episode 175 in general. He had a ton of cool moments in that one (including the one ur referencing iirc)
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Intelligence: he’s pretty smartanyone want to volunteer in drafting an intelligence section for Boruto(for his TBV profile... this is pretty much the only thing holding us back from publishing it)
you’re welcome
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Anyway, here's the anime CRT
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Personally I also believe in an FTL+ scale, but not in this way with multipliers stacked. I've been writing a speed review focused on accepting SoL statements for a few months now, I've done translations and I am creating a well-crafted text, I'm going to take advantage of the fact that almost any rubbish that would never have been accepted in the past, is being accepted on this site lately (kof kof... 1000x multipliers) so i will try, and when I finish the text (and learn how to write a sentence and turn blue with the scan link in this site) I will post. I won't set up any scale, I'll just try to approve the statements and y'all deal with the rest.https://vsbattles.com/threads/naruto-multiplier-additions.174561/
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you dont say...
Hate the fact that Sarada would win this, unearned power level
MinatoSparkle
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Ehhh kinda just seems like an extension of his body rather than a specific technique. Seems like it's in the same boat as Buu stretching his limbs into shapes and such.
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Yeah but usually it's those superior to him, and in Boruto's case that's his headstrong attitude rather than just thinking of Code as fodder
They can tag each other, but generally not from long distances, which I think offsets the slight off guard disadvantage.
What I mean is that if the Shinju are well above him with their most basic techniques, it'd make sense that they're well above him in speed too, as speed doesn't exactly have abilities to enhance itself (ftmp) like AP does, it's just itself. In other words, Shinju Ego regular AP>>Code provides consistency to Shinju Ego regular speed>>Code.
So Code reacting to one attack from Hidari ain't allat
I agree it's significant, but that's a different situation from the Naruto Tendo one. In those case, Base Lee was already faster than the people he was contending with, and the 5x boost was just the thing to push him over the edge to blitzing them. If the difference needed to blitz was say 15x, Sasuke/Dosu were a 1, and Base Lee was 3 or 4, then 1st Gate Lee blitzing them isn't contradictory to A competing with A x 10.
It's not an inconsistency unless there's contradictions to it within the actual series. Sakon holding back is just baseless, much moreso than Boruto holding back against Code.
1. Reaction speed upscale, not combat speed
2. I wouldn't say that not having visible injuries = zero damage. It takes a lot of superiority to cause those with blunt force.
3. That's not really a LS feat? It's not like they grappled and Naruto won to throw Pain away, it's just the impact of a single kick that overpowered Tendo's defenses.
If feats and statements are contradictory then sure that's fine, but if things can pretty easily be reinterpreted to coexist, I'd take both into account. The apparent dissonance just means that Kishimoto views great/dramatic differences as not blitz/one shot injuring tiers.
Even if they're not proportional they should be pretty strongly correlated but if you don't think the AP gap is large then sure
Fair enough
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MinatoSparkle
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Thoughts on PA Kakashi vs Base Jiraiya?
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Sasuke, the guy totally known for earning his power lol.
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He earned his power about as much as Naruto did. But at least he trained and suffered for it.
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-Born with Uchiha DNA that enhanced his combat ability and fire style according to some guy in the old days.
-Awoke the Sharingan due to his brother.
-Copied some shit with the Sharingan.
-Given the Curse Mark.
-Given CS2, the ritual for which enhanced his body due to acclimation according to his own words.
-Gained some of Orochimaru's power by jumping him on his deathbed
-Bailed himself out of a fight with Deidara by killing someone else's summon.
-Lost his Orochimaru powers
-Gained the Mangekyo Sharingan because his brother died, and the MS just... comes with a manual on all the abilities? Idk.
-Given his brother's eyes
-Given Hagoromo's Chakra, Awakening the Rinnegan
-Still weaker than Naruto.
I like Sasuke, but you gotta admit, he didn't exactly earn all of that
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Sarada was the one doing life and death training to master chakra control (with her mom) and sharingan precog (with her dad) but sure, unearned
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Squidward vs fanfic Naruto, who wins?
First Round (They are having a Drip off, best outfit wins)
Second Round (Death Battle)
Third Round (Music Battle) (Naruto has access to Clone Style: Backstreet Boys Jutsu, Squidward has a clarinet per tentacle.)
Im writiing this late at night so i wont remember this in the morning
First Round (They are having a Drip off, best outfit wins)
Second Round (Death Battle)
Third Round (Music Battle) (Naruto has access to Clone Style: Backstreet Boys Jutsu, Squidward has a clarinet per tentacle.)
Im writiing this late at night so i wont remember this in the morning
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whats earned and not earned is just goofy to me, scaling peoples suffering and or trials as if people are all this universal homogenized thing
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Is it just me or are most scans in Itachi's profile not working?
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Both Itachis and Hagoromos profile have most links broken
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We see Sasuke grow in combat in real time and slowly but surely grow to high levels
Aside Six paths stuff im pretty sure everything he has is earned
while Sarada just uh gets free tiers from off screened training
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holy dishonesty, you cannot oversimplify power ups as basic as handed benefits, the curse mark had drawbacks, sasuke was losing himself, it was consuming him and turning him more into darkness
powers that one takes for themselves are earned power ups cuz the effort is there
Madara fought and forcefully took the juubidara powers for himself
we are not gonna place it as a gifted power
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So outside of KKG, the Chakra Fruit doesn’t give the eater any other abilities. Like, they’ll have Sharingan & Byakugan, etc, but not necessarily Kamui and what have you.
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Fourth Raikage and Shin Uchiha CRT
In Shin Uchiha's profile, I added Clairvoyance, which he uses through those monsters with Sharingan, and an explanation for his Adaptation. In the Fourth Raikage's profile, I only added the abilities of the Lightning Release Chakra Mode and descriptions for the other abilities. That's it...
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That was the pointThis is such a funny concept because you can pretty much make everyone's power seem unearned
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What
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Because of reasoning, Akatsuki, and 1 Tail Naruto/CM2 Sasuke calc. When I have the time I’ll make a thread
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