Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[NeoKingOfLight]

Tyson vs Paul was basically Orochimaru vs Hiruzen…

 

[MinatoSparkle]

This is kinda irrelevant because I never said Code would beat Boruto or Hidari in a fight. In fact, I believe both would soundly defeat him, almost 100%.
My initial disagreement was with a large stat gap. That's all. If you believe Boruto and Hidari are holistically >> Code, go ham my friend, because I don't think anyone (myself included) disagrees with that notion lol.

Gud

Yes, and again, none of that implies to me that these people are on another level physical stats wise.

Mamushi only used physicals

So a group comprised 4 Code/Boruto level sentient Ten Tails being referred to as monsters is a problem how, exactly? Their status as "monsters" doesn't really hinge on them being far superior to Code physically.

Because they're each monsters. She didn't say that the group as a whole is a monster/monstrous.

That's because he is a clown. Practically everyone has thrown jabs at the guy at this point, including people who aren't necessarily stronger than him. The guy has no aura whatsoever.

That's really not the same as how the Shinju treat him

Ehhh, again, I think Ryu would probably win in a fight, but I don't think him grabbing Code with his Iron Sand is really great proof of massive physical superiority either.

Could've just escaped before Ryu grabbed him. Also iron sand is just his most basic ability (was Shinki's at least), so certainly supports the narrative that the Shinju Ego are casually far above him

Not by default?

P much by default. And either way it certainly can be the case.

Meaningless statement ngl.

Mangaka can make their own rules when it comes to speed differences

I'm not sure how showing me examples that throw doubt into the gap being huge helps your point lol.

Because the Sound 4 directly do get a 10 times+ strength multiplier. Sasuke you can argue otherwise I guess but not Sakon

Yes, because that's what's commonly used to denote low-end relativity. It's not my fault your arrow logic is outta whack

I agree, but blocking one kick and getting sent flying and knocked on ur ass is not low end relativity Not even Kishimoto agrees with you

I think we've talked about this enough for you to know how I view the Code situation.

Indeed

Sure, and I don't think there's much of a speed gap between them, so that's fine. At least not until his health started failing massively during the Sasuke fight.

So you think his speed barely decreased and his AP lowered a lot?

He did NOT regain anything in the WA and NE lol. (Although there is one Boruto episode where he was actually pretty cool, icl)

Nah he got some cool moments. And I imagine you're talking about Orochimaru killing someone by looking at them?

1. Projectile gives you ample time to dodge stuff several times faster than you when thrown from a distance. Also projectile speed is not movement speed. It can be slower or faster.

The point of projectiles is to hit someone from a decent distance, so dodging a projectile is a valid feat to scale low end at least.

Not to mention Sasuke plan there was to decieve him

Fire shuriken>Regular shuriken

2. He got better reactions from the sharingan. Nothing notable about his combat speed.

He was already arguably superior to Base Weighted Lee before the FoD as Lee felt the need to use the 1st Gate/Primary Lotus, so getting a reaction speed boost is the cherry on top to put him above Zaku who was physically inferior to Base Weighted Lee. The Sharingan also boosts combat speed and AP anyways. I also imagine Sasuke got a mental/hatred amp given the situation and him progressing the Sharingan but it's a little vague.

3. He's faster than I thought can also mean i underestimated his speed, he might even get a slight boost and it would change nothing

Why would he underestimate it when he's already seen it...?

I don't understand where you're getting this idea that it's a non-existent/slight boost

4. In terms of speed probably. I didn't really see any notable speed amp for them.

Kidomaru's arrows literally went from being easily reacted to by Neji from short-mid range to nearly blitzing him hundreds of meters away

5. V2 clased with 1T. Where did 3tomoe get into the mix?

Before Sasuke went CM2

 

[karo_senpaii]

Gud

Mamushi only used physicals

Because they're each monsters. She didn't say that the group as a whole is a monster/monstrous.

That's really not the same as how the Shinju treat him

Could've just escaped before Ryu grabbed him. Also iron sand is just his most basic ability (was Shinki's at least), so certainly supports the narrative that the Shinju Ego are casually far above him

P much by default. And either way it certainly can be the case.

Mangaka can make their own rules when it comes to speed differences

Because the Sound 4 directly do get a 10 times+ strength multiplier. Sasuke you can argue otherwise I guess but not Sakon

I agree, but blocking one kick and getting sent flying and knocked on ur ass is not low end relativity Not even Kishimoto agrees with you

Indeed

So you think his speed barely decreased and his AP lowered a lot?

Nah he got some cool moments. And I imagine you're talking about Orochimaru killing someone by looking at them?

The point of projectiles is to hit someone from a decent distance, so dodging a projectile is a valid feat to scale low end at least.

Fire shuriken>Regular shuriken

He was already arguably superior to Base Weighted Lee before the FoD as Lee felt the need to use the 1st Gate/Primary Lotus, so getting a reaction speed boost is the cherry on top to put him above Zaku who was physically inferior to Base Weighted Lee. The Sharingan also boosts combat speed and AP anyways. I also imagine Sasuke got a mental/hatred amp given the situation and him progressing the Sharingan but it's a little vague.

Why would he underestimate it when he's already seen it...?

I don't understand where you're getting this idea that it's a non-existent/slight boost

Kidomaru's arrows literally went from being easily reacted to by Neji from short-mid range to nearly blitzing him hundreds of meters away

Before Sasuke went CM2

I even forgot this is still on

 

[MinatoSparkle]

I even forgot this is still on

Me too for a while