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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

Shadowbokunohero said:
you can be holistically above someone without every stat being a qualifier to be above them
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I'm aware, I specifically worded it like I did because of that. It's not necessary, but it's more likely than not.
Shadowbokunohero said:
boruto reacted to him while being mostly stationary, had his attack reacted to by Konohamaru who should be below the likes of Code, given Code was considered this insane standard prior to Boruto showing up.
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Boruto wasn't able to just duck Hidari's Chidori and slam the Rasengan into him though. I'm fine with Konohamaru being below Code, I even did that on my list, but I don't think reacting to someone means you're fully relative, just not a blitz tier slower.
Shadowbokunohero said:
Hidari also barely moves out of the way of a inferior Kawaki
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It was a sneak attack so I wouldn't take much stock in that
Shadowbokunohero said:
not saying Hidari cant be faster but theres nothing to suggest a massive gap in speed.
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Being >> isn't necessarily massive, just significant. Hidari>Code is fine too.
Apollonir.Scale said:
In my opinion, Naruto has better music, character designs, character writing, and comedy.
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I agree. Naruto can be better while DB is still good
UchihaSlayer96 said:
I don't really think this statement means that each individual Shinju is >>> Code in stats, given that it's talking about them as a group. Eida didn't really single Hidari out here. (Obviously Jura is an exception, but we didn't know that at the time)
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Eh you could interpret it like that, but Eida's acting like he just can't deal with them at all, and it's not like they're always together or anything.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
And really, when you look at the showings, I believe this notion is well supported. Boruto thought Code could be good back-up for him against them, which wouldn't make a whole lot of sense if he was significantly slower than them.
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He's not complete fodder to that tier, but being able to help to some extent and being significantly weaker/slower aren't contradictory.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Add to that the fact that Code literally reacted to Hidari himself, and wasn't really shown to be all that inferior to Boruto (who's relative to Hidari) even in base without his Karma, and I just don't see how someone like Hidari is significantly above Code in speed.
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As you know, reaction speed isn't the same as combat speed, and I wouldn't particularly take the Boruto feat too seriously anyways given Boruto's demeanor and the fact that he acted like his attack went according to plan anyways (he also didn't even try to push his arm toward Code after having it caught, his reaction was pretty much just "ok"). I'm fine with Base Code in the same blitz tier as Boruto though.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
It's an arbitrary assumption as you don't even need to be faster than someone to be superior to them, let alone be much faster. You could argue he's like >~ Code, but I don't see >> being a thing. At worst, he should be up there with his Karma.
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It's really not arbitrary. Out of someone's league = faster is a completely normal interpretation. Certainly no less an assumption than applying it to AP. Maybe WK Code could be slightly comparable, but a pretty loose relativity that'd be.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
No, I agree. I prefer the manga version of that fight too. The anime adaptation was just really well-executed for Itachi vs Sasuke, which isn't always the case.

Kinda crazy that we got Jiraiya vs Pain and Itachi vs Sasuke back to back. We were so spoiled back then lol.
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Prophecy and Vengeance (Itachi's Pursuit-Pain's Assault) is one of the best runs of fiction I've ever seen, at least starting from Sasuke vs Deidara.
UchihaSlayer96 said:
You know what's super weird tho? Bro POSSIBLY tanks a Chidori, but gets damaged by a Shuriken lmao. That's wild.
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Just more implication that he was bagging 🤷‍♂️
AnimesFreak2 said:
I love Pain arc more but Namek Saga is objectively more iconic
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1. Debatable, Pain Arc has become an absolutely beloved classic in the animanga comm, often in discussions of best Shonen arcs
2. This is just the Frieza part of it, not the whole arc
 
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Huh this hole on his left sleeve is suspicious since the Dragon Flame only hit his right side
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SlendVeny said:
Naruto must've been mad mental-amped.
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I mean he def was

Kishimoto literally drew Naruto recalling Haku's words to him and he proceeded to whip out more clones than he ever did

Blatantly mental amped

His mental amp against Mizuki was the highest he had done to that point ( 1,000 )

And against Garra he whipped out at least 2,000 or so
 
MinatoSparkle said:
What's better, Pain's Assault (Chapter 413-453) or Frieza Saga (Chapter 291-329)?
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Pain assault because its generally better structured and has a lot more varied things going on than the frieza saga specifically, i also think the pain arc despite not being as iconic as Goku vs Frieza has a better resolution to most of its plot points.

now if we took the namek saga as a whole then id say its definitely better than the pain assault arc, as the pain assault arc is very much a pay off for a lot of the plot points that have been marinating for a while but isnt as airtight as a standalone story.
 
The Most Objective Strongest Gorls ranking

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MinatoSparkle said:
Eh you could interpret it like that, but Eida's acting like he just can't deal with them at all, and it's not like they're always together or anything.
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At the time the statement was made, we'd only ever seen them as a collective group, so yeah. I don't think it's fair to apply things we learned later on (such as Jura being >>> for instance) to what Eida had knowledge on at the time. She has no sensory capabilities and she can't see the future.
MinatoSparkle said:
He's not complete fodder to that tier, but being able to help to some extent and being significantly weaker/slower aren't contradictory.
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Sparkle, what does ">>" mean to you? Cause to me it's, like, a pretty sizeable stat advantage given that a single ">" arrow already implies outright superiority and ">~" implies partial superiority or low-end relativity. This is what I'm disagreeing with. If you think there's a gap between Code and the Shinju/Boruto, that's fine.
I just don't think it's anything massive given that he has literal feats putting him on that level and that the only statement implying otherwise is IMO not as conclusive as you think. And this is only base Code, with WK I believe whatever gap there may be would be bridged.
MinatoSparkle said:
As you know, reaction speed isn't the same as combat speed, and I wouldn't particularly take the Boruto feat too seriously anyways given Boruto's demeanor and the fact that he acted like his attack went according to plan anyways (he also didn't even try to push his arm toward Code after having it caught, his reaction was pretty much just "ok"). I'm fine with Base Code in the same blitz tier as Boruto though.
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I'm not really sure how Boruto knowing that he was going to beat Code using Uzuhiko discredits Code's feats.
And there's still the Hidari feat as well. Add Karma to that, and I don't see Code being significantly inferior, if at all.
MinatoSparkle said:
It's really not arbitrary. Out of someone's league = faster is a completely normal interpretation. Certainly no less an assumption than applying it to AP. Maybe WK Code could be slightly comparable, but a pretty loose relativity that'd be.
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I think it is a weak assumption when Code has feats on that level and when the statement putting them above him have another valid interpretation, but maybe that's just me. 🤷‍♂️
MinatoSparkle said:
Just more implication that he was bagging 🤷‍♂️
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Perhaps.
I still think he's weaker than CS2 Sasuke in terms of raw stats, but it's not a massive difference. I do think he's likely above base Sasuke, though. At least with the MS.
(Only talking stats here, obviously holistically Itachi slaps given his abilities)
MinatoSparkle said:
Huh this hole on his left sleeve is suspicious since the Dragon Flame only hit his right side
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Yeah, the Chidori feat is something that I'm starting to find more and more interesting.
It seems to me he likely blocked it with his arm/arms.
MinatoSparkle said:
This is a WILD statement I'm ngl. Maybe if it was talking about PT or BM Gaara it'd be understandable, but still damn.
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Thing is, Jonin and Chunin vary in quality from village to village. Like, these guys were Chunin lol.
This could just mean that Suna Jonin are mostly fodder, given that Rase definitely sent Jonin to assassinate Gaara.

Although, it's also fair to attribute the statement to his higher forms if you believe it's speaking on Jonin in a general sense, rather than just the ones from Suna.
 
MinatoSparkle said:
Prophecy and Vengeance (Itachi's Pursuit-Pain's Assault) is one of the best runs of fiction I've ever seen, at least starting from Sasuke vs Deidara.
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Sorry, forgot to reply to this. Actually, I fully agree. And to me, it's actually the best stretch of Naruto overall (starting from Sasuke vs Deidara all the way to the FKS). Just so, so good.
 
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