Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[Arc7Kuroi]

He’s cooking

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

Wasn't there a tweet or interview about the creators making the characters weaker so they could focus on the kids or something?

"Kishimoto stated Naruto and Sasuke becoming so stronger and the battles getting bigger and bigger, now you have KIDS fighting so the scale is gonna feel smaller. In 2016"

Well, Naruto fought Delta in front of the KIDS because he doesn't want to kill them by accident.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

"Kishimoto stated Naruto and Sasuke becoming so stronger and the battles getting bigger and bigger, now you have KIDS fighting so the scale is gonna feel smaller. In 2016"

Well, Naruto fought Delta in front of the KIDS because he doesn't want to kill them by accident.

Imagine if Naruto knew Flying Thunder God and warped the kids away, and then we could get an epic battle between Naruto and Delta.

 

[Reio35]

I wouldn't say they were nerfed, Naruto and Sasuke definitely had jutsu that could have beaten Jigen, But by that point, the series had already established they were rusty.

Sasuke is still very observant but is far less creative with his Jutsu. Tricking opponents with Genjutsu and layered plans are things he doesn't often do anymore. being stronger than practically everyone on the planet for more than half his life probably doesn't help with him staying sharp.

And Naruto is pretty much just completely reliant on Kurama and Sasuke for analysis and strategy at this point. The same Naruto that was known for being surprisingly perceptive and unpredictable in fights doesn't exist anymore. He sits behind a desk all day and hasn't had to be the underdog that uses any means necessary to survive in a while.

Plus the Jigen fight was kind of random like they did not know what they were getting into and got folded.

IMO they could have won using some kind of Izanami, sealing, or soul steal hax but they were just not prepared for Jigen to be as strong as he was. I don't think they were getting any of that BS off on Isshiki tho.

It was also a bit of just lousy writing(I have no idea why even a rusty Sasuke would think using his perfect Susanoo against a shrinking man was a good move.)

small rant over.

Izanami would have def negged jigen all it needs is physical contact

 

[Kayzz]

Thats why I said I would have added Deva path for Sasuke and Boil release for Naruto. Deva path cant be absorbed or shrunk because its an invisible force, and Boil release would increased Naruto's hand-to-hand capabilities. So, it made sense to try those techniques. Still, Isshiki wouldnt be beaten by either of those. Boil release attacks could be avoided by shrinking, and even if he were to be hit, Jigen/Isshiki wouldnt take severe damage based on his other feats. Chibaku tensei could not contain him and he would escape it with his portals. Shinra tensei would probably do some good damage if it hit him, but not enough to put him down.

Its far from being the only Naruto/Boruto fight where the characters dont use their abilities most effectively, though. I agree that its not as bad as people say, its just somewhat underwhelming and could have been more of a spectacle and creative.

Would barely scratch him, and would only work if caught off-guard.

 

[Kayzz]

I wouldn't say they were nerfed, Naruto and Sasuke definitely had jutsu that could have beaten Jigen, But by that point, the series had already established they were rusty.

Sasuke is still very observant but is far less creative with his Jutsu. Tricking opponents with Genjutsu and layered plans are things he doesn't often do anymore. being stronger than practically everyone on the planet for more than half his life probably doesn't help with him staying sharp.

And Naruto is pretty much just completely reliant on Kurama and Sasuke for analysis and strategy at this point. The same Naruto that was known for being surprisingly perceptive and unpredictable in fights doesn't exist anymore. He sits behind a desk all day and hasn't had to be the underdog that uses any means necessary to survive in a while.

Plus the Jigen fight was kind of random like they did not know what they were getting into and got folded.

IMO they could have won using some kind of Izanami, sealing, or soul steal hax but they were just not prepared for Jigen to be as strong as he was. I don't think they were getting any of that BS off on Isshiki tho.

It was also a bit of just lousy writing(I have no idea why even a rusty Sasuke would think using his perfect Susanoo against a shrinking man was a good move.)

small rant over.

Tbf, this happened before Boruto though with the introduction of KCM and higher. And adult maturity would also play a role in diminishing unpredictability

 

[DuDE01010]

They wouldn't clap Jigen. There are maybe ways they could win, but they moreso involve outlasting than really defeating him. And Isshiki just slams them pretty much no matter what.

Nah war arc or non nerfed adults claps

 

[DuDE01010]

What jutsu are you even talking about? Let me remind you that Jigen/Isshiki has chakra absorption, and that renders basically every chakra-based attacks useless, and would just serve to strengthen Jigen/Isshiki further. Given that he's factually superior to the both of them, he could no doubt absorb their most destructive techniques. That's primarily why they decide to use hand-to-hand combat.

While Boruto is subpar comparatively to its predecessor, the logic and direction it's using isn't as incompetent as you'd think.

His absorption is garbage. It keeps him immobile and wide open to getting attacked in a 2v1.

Boil release, rinnegan abilities and genjutsu all bypass his absorption.

There's also the fact they didn't use Ashura avatar or Biju Perfect Susanoo and never merged like against Momoshiki

 

[lolgutwo]

His absorption is garbage. It keeps him immobile and wide open to getting attacked in a 2v1.

Sure but Sasuke couldnt even manage to swing his sword at him before he teleported away while absorbing and he was close to Jigen. The opening that gives them is tiny.

Boil release, rinnegan abilities and genjutsu all bypass his absorption.

Genjutsu being MIA is strange, but it didnt even start with Boruto. Didnt appear for Sasuke against Madara, Kaguya or Naruto either. It should be explicitly said but my headcanon is that its ineffective against opponents on that level and that Sasuke tried it against Kinshiki or someone like that off panel and it didnt work.

There's also the fact they didn't use Ashura avatar or Biju Perfect Susanoo and never merged like against Momoshiki

Ashura avatar is just fusing one avatar with two cloned avatars, I dont see what it would do. The planet they were on is dead so the nature energy boost like in Naruto and Sasukes last fight wasnt even possible against Jigen. They didnt immediately use the merged avatar against Momoshiki either and Jigen clapped them before they could.

Anyway, there are definitely ways that they could have outlasted Jigen. Problem is, they didn't know about his power or his stamina issues. If they could have formulated a plan around that beforehand, they could have outlasted and killed him, but Isshiki claps them no matter what without Baryon mode.

 

[ZoroNotZolo]

I saw a meme that showed how people complain about anything pertaining to Sakura. They think she's too strong when she punches Kaguya, yet too weak when she loses to a poisonous kunai (that genuinely is dumb writing, though).

 

[Tdjwo]

No one outside Sakura wankers takes Sakura punching Kaguya seriously. They all know the amount of "carry" the others did for her to pull that off. But Sakura wankers think she did it or planned it with her strength.

 

[ssgengar]

What ability does frog kata fall under?

 

[Reio35]

No one outside Sakura wankers takes Sakura punching Kaguya seriously. They all know the amount of "carry" the others did for her to pull that off. But Sakura wankers think she did it or planned it with her strength.

Sage naruto=juubito for damaging him

 

[Tdjwo]

Sage naruto=juubito for damaging him

Chunin exam Boruto=Momoshiki for damaging him.

 

[DuDE01010]

Sure but Sasuke couldnt even manage to swing his sword at him before he teleported away while absorbing and he was close to Jigen. The opening that gives them is tiny.

So basically he wouldn't be able to absorb any of their attacks. Confirms his absorption is useless in a 2v1. Not even gonna bring up Sasuke's versatility with ameno.

Genjutsu being MIA is strange, but it didnt even start with Boruto. Didnt appear for Sasuke against Madara, Kaguya or Naruto either. It should be explicitly said but my headcanon is that its ineffective against opponents on that level and that Sasuke tried it against Kinshiki or someone like that off panel and it didnt work.

The former have rinnesharingan and all have bijuu inside them which neg regular sharingan genjutsu. Jigen and isshiki have zero resistances or immunity shown.

Ashura avatar is just fusing one avatar with two cloned avatars, I dont see what it would do.

Far stronger than just Kurama

The planet they were on is dead so the nature energy boost like in Naruto and Sasukes last fight wasnt even possible against Jigen.

Naruto could use sage mode meaning there was nature energy present. Both Jigens and Isshiks planets had atmospheres and a sun. Isshikis planet had grasslands and water. Plenty to use AA

They didnt immediately use the merged avatar against Momoshiki either and Jigen clapped them before they could.

Momoshiki was fodder. The duo was literally playing with him until the giant Golem. Jigen was far more dangerous and if Sasuke retained his intelligence, another thing that was nerfed, they would have merged instead of stopping at individual avatars

Anyway, there are definitely ways that they could have outlasted Jigen. Problem is, they didn't know about his power or his stamina issues. If they could have formulated a plan around that beforehand, they could have outlasted and killed him, but Isshiki claps them no matter what without Baryon mode.

Isshiki falls as well in a 2v1 againts non nerf adults

 

[DuDE01010]

Chunin exam Boruto=Momoshiki for damaging him.

True

 

[Tdjwo]

Imagine;
Chunin exams Boruto=Fused Momoshiki for damaging him,
Sakura=Kaguya for punching her,
Sage Mode Naruto=Juubito for "rasenganing" him,
...all got accepted here

 

[Reio35]

Imagine;
Chunin exams Boruto=Fused Momoshiki for damaging him,
Sakura=Kaguya for punching her,
Sage Mode Naruto=Juubito for "rasenganing" him,
...all get accepted here

Wouldn't be surprised they got shin and the kage scaling to god tiers despite the narrative suggesting otherwise

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Nah war arc or non nerfed adults claps

Ok, lay out for me rn how Teen Naruto and Sasuke beat Isshiki.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Imagine if Naruto knew Flying Thunder God and warped the kids away, and then we could get an epic battle between Naruto and Delta.

They were in Konoha. So Shippuden like AOE was definitely a no.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Ok, lay out for me rn how Teen Naruto and Sasuke beat Isshiki.

Easy. They Don't.

Anything else is just copium. All these "What Ifs" scenarios is useless. What would Naruto do? Make a bigger bomb?

 

[lolgutwo]

The former have rinnesharingan and all have bijuu inside them which neg regular sharingan genjutsu. Jigen and isshiki have zero resistances or immunity shown.

Bijuu dont automatically make you neg regular sharingan genjutsu, they need to cooperate with you which they won't for Madara and Kaguya. Even for perfect jinchuriki, genjutsu isnt instantly negged, it can serve as a short distraction. Rinnesharingan would probably neg Sasukes genjutsu, but he didnt even attempt it and Madara may not have. I agree that genjutsu not even being mentioned is bad writing, but I think its clear Otsutsuki neg it or it would have shown up in one or more of the Kinshiki/Momo/Isshiki fights.

Far stronger than just Kurama

Not really, it has no feats. Its just merging the main avatar with shadow clones, giving it extra arms. Narutos massive power boost against Sasuke came from all the nature energy he put into his rasenshurikens.

Naruto could use sage mode meaning there was nature energy present. Both Jigens and Isshiks planets had atmospheres and a sun. Isshikis planet had grasslands and water. Plenty to use AA

Yeah, but it probably has much less of it than Earth. Dont think its ever been shown that Naruto is capable of getting nature energy from the sun. Avatars are useless against Isshiki.

Momoshiki was fodder. The duo was literally playing with him until the giant Golem. Jigen was far more dangerous and if Sasuke retained his intelligence, another thing that was nerfed, they would have merged instead of stopping at individual avatars

Momoshiki isnt really fodder compared to V1 Jigen, and horned Jigen caught Naruto and Sasuke by surprise.

Isshiki falls as well in a 2v1 againts non nerf adults

Sorry but no, thats just cope. If anything, Isshiki was nerfed more than them. It was bullshit that they survived more than a couple of his hits when Jigen could bust open their avatars. He could have ended them by just stabbing them with rods too. Isshiki was just that guy, took plot nerfing, an asspull powerup for Naruto that had just the right ability to screw him over and a time limit because of his dying body to take him down.

 

[KingogKings777]

CRT it if you don't like it. Noones stopping you.

 

[Shadowbokunohero]

No the tweet was that they’d be downsizing the scale of battles, hence the focus on taijutsu. Nothing about characters getting weaker.

^this, remember by 2014 most naruto fans were complaining about the giant jutsus and stuff and wanted Taijutsu.

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Easy. They Don't.

Anything else is just copium. All these "What Ifs" scenarios is useless. What would Naruto do? Make a bigger bomb?

Nahhh nahhh he'd use Boil Release as if that'll close the gap.

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

Lol at Teen Nardo and Sauce Stans has worst way to copium but copium is nothing. Isshiki slap Teen aka weakest version of Naruto and Sasuke to the ground in less second.

Kaguya who stronger than Madara in his Jinchuuriki form but she get clown by Teen Naruto and Sasuke in their WEAKER form. Even 3-days limit Isshiki make Era Nardo and Sauce in their strongest form look like joke except Baryon mode.

Boruto Anime and Manga stated 3-days limit Isshiki is strongest enemy and worst threat Era Naruto and Sasuke has ever faced.

How can you think Teen Nardo and Sauce in their ******' weakest form killed Jigen let alone Isshiki?

Why don't you accept Kishimoto stated Naruto and Sasuke become stronger in Era (Boruto) at interview 2016

 

[Arc7Kuroi]

mmmm english

 

[KingogKings777]

Lol at Teen Nardo and Sauce Stans has worst way to copium but copium is nothing. Isshiki slap Teen aka weakest version of Naruto and Sasuke to the ground in less second.

Kaguya who stronger than Madara in his Jinchuuriki form but she get clown by Teen Naruto and Sasuke in their WEAKER form. Even 3-days limit Isshiki make Era Nardo and Sauce in their strongest form look like joke except Baryon mode.

Boruto Anime and Manga stated 3-days limit Isshiki is strongest enemy and worst threat Era Naruto and Sasuke has ever faced.

How can you think Teen Nardo and Sauce in their ******' weakest form killed Jigen let alone Isshiki?

Why don't you accept Kishimoto stated Naruto and Sasuke become stronger in Era (Boruto) at interview 2016

How is Jigen stronger when he got beat by Kaguya pre chakra fruit?

 

[NaruRiasUzumaki]

How is Jigen stronger when he got beat by Kaguya pre chakra fruit?

Caught off guard. Just like Zetsu did to Madara by thrusting hand. I should say like mother like son.

You see, I'm bad at English.

 

[Deceived3596]

You see, I'm bad at English.

Listen to this song on repeat, it should help you learn better English.

 

[Tdjwo]

How is Jigen stronger when he got beat by Kaguya pre chakra fruit?

Some of y'all never read the manga fr. It's even explained in the anime.

 

[KingogKings777]

Some of y'all never read the manga fr. It's even explained in the anime.

You acting like we watch dogshit for a living. We prefer reading it instead.

 

[Tdjwo]

You acting like we watch dogshit for a living. We prefer reading it instead.

It doesn't change what I said, as it was also explained in the manga.

 

[DuDE01010]

Ok, lay out for me rn how Teen Naruto and Sasuke beat Isshiki.

Pure stats and hax

 

[Shadyboi0]

Pure stats and hax

They get blitzed and one shot

 

[DuDE01010]

Bijuu dont automatically make you neg regular sharingan genjutsu, they need to cooperate with you which they won't for Madara and Kaguya.

Both are the Juubi and both have the Rinnesharingan.

Even for perfect jinchuriki, genjutsu isnt instantly negged, it can serve as a short distraction. Rinnesharingan would probably neg Sasukes genjutsu, but he didnt even attempt it and Madara may not have.

Still negs. Doesn't matter the length of the distraction

I agree that genjutsu not even being mentioned is bad writing, but I think its clear Otsutsuki neg it or it would have shown up in one or more of the Kinshiki/Momo/Isshiki fights.

Source for the Otsutsuki trio being able to neg genjutsu?

Not really, it has no feats. Its just merging the main avatar with shadow clones, giving it extra arms. Narutos massive power boost against Sasuke came from all the nature energy he put into his rasenshurikens.

It has feats. They are far superior to their regular avatars.

Yeah, but it probably has much less of it than Earth. Dont think its ever been shown that Naruto is capable of getting nature energy from the sun. Avatars are useless against Isshiki.

Isshiki's planet has identical visual elements to Earth so need a source on Earth > Isshiki's planet. Naruto can use sage mode so nature energy existing. Additionally Kurama gathered to much nature energy on Earth so you don't need Earth levels.

Momoshiki isnt really fodder compared to V1 Jigen, and horned Jigen caught Naruto and Sasuke by surprise.

The duo played with Momoshiki. There was a clear difference against Jigen.

Sorry but no, thats just cope. If anything, Isshiki was nerfed more than them. It was bullshit that they survived more than a couple of his hits when Jigen could bust open their avatars. He could have ended them by just stabbing them with rods too. Isshiki was just that guy, took plot nerfing, an asspull powerup for Naruto that had just the right ability to screw him over and a time limit because of his dying body to take him down.

Nah that's just copium. Jigen and Isshiki were unable to deal with the points listed earlier hence why the author conveniently forgot about them. He had to nerf the duo to stop them playing table tennis with Jigen/Isshiki's body.

 

[DuDE01010]

They get blitzed and one shot

Prove it.

 

[karzen]

juubi pds4 vs code modified juubi who is stronger?

 

[MinatoSparkle]

Pure stats and hax

1. Prove that they have greater stats.
2. That's very specific

 

[The_Alxhemist]

Nahhh nahhh he'd use Boil Release as if that'll close the gap.

Boil Release argument kinda stale considering it was barely useful against Kaguya, Naruto went for CQC even against Kaguya.