Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

[KingTempest]

I mean, there’s still the argument of Kaguya catching him off-guard with portals or maybe disorienting with Amenominaka. If she was stronger, she’d still have ample opportunity to disorient them and yeet them. Or she could pull what she did to Naruto and Sasuke: drop one in another dimension so she only has to fight one. I just don’t see a way for Kaguya, if she were more powerful, to not just slaughter them if they pulled up on her. Her being weaker, as the series states, makes more sense.

I can respect this tbh.

That’s fair, but then it brings up the argument that Kaguya should know that they can do that and we don’t know if that would be Momoshiki’s first move against her.

To be honest, didn't Kinshiki get forced towards him when Momoshiki put his hand out? I doubt it's something that can be dodged.

Even without that, his feats would still be inconsistent tbh. Boruto and P1 Naruto are 8-B (even though they should be 8-A, but not the point) and Jiraiya is, with the absolute greatest amount of lowballing, Low 7-C+. That’s a pretty big difference.

At least 10,000x, oof. Prolly good AP nd trash Dura, idk.

You’re fine.

Appreciate it

 

[LordTracer]

To be honest, didn't Kinshiki get forced towards him when Momoshiki put his hand out? I doubt it's something that can be dodged.

He did, yeah. Although Kinshiki did smirk when Momoshiki said “Let me show you how my clan does it” (meaning turning someone into chakra fruit), so it’s possible that Kinshiki knew what was going to happen when Momo did that, meaning Kaguya could predict and attack him before she gets turned into a fruit.

 

[KingTempest]

And since you're sending me on a wild goose chase to look for your nonexistent explanation.

Spoiler: Sinister's BS

More naruto supremacists hating on the manga for no reason, it’s getting old at That point

All that crying and I still don’t get what your so upset about lol, y your reading it anyways

Anyways someone explained narutos new form .“ I've figured out what Naruto's new form does. Those that understand some basics of Nuclear physics regarding Nuclear Fusion should understand. In Nuclear Fusion, a huge release of thermodynamic matter (energy) is achieved by taking a stable element and firing Neutrons at it's Nucleus to create a new stable element, and the left over matter is what is the energy. In this sense, it is a self-sustained reaction, this is what Stars use to form elements, and how we have the periodic table of elements (all formed by our sun). In the case of Naruto, essentially the Neutrons are the life force of Naruto and Kurama, which they combine with there chakra, the same way neutrons are added to the ring of a stable element. The result is a brand new form of energy, in the most raw form you can get, it is literal pure matter. As for why Ishiiki's lifespan was decreasing, I'm theorizing that as Naruto and Kurama actively perform this Fusion reaction, they also siphon the life force of people around them to sustain the Fusion reaction, just like our Sun or other Stars would. You see, Fusion reactions do not occur in chains like Nuclear Fission (think like a Nuclear bomb), in order for the reaction to take place it must be actively sustained with neutrons (in this case life force). The reason why Naruto and Kurama would die is the same reason why Nuclear Fusion reactors would die out without a stream of Neutrons and supply of stable elements like Hydrogen. Naruto and Kurama are essentially like a walking star/sun right now, and they are siphoning life/energy all around them. Ishiiki could simply die from being near Naruto. All Naruto needs to do is stay alive long enough and near Ishiiki to passively suck his life away.”

Y’all entitled to your opinions I guess lol

I love how goku got a susano this chapter and naruto becomes Moro this chapter

Anyways his new form in a simpler explanation steals the opponents life force/energy and surpasses them until they die. Shortly the user dies as well.

He is alive as long as the energy source is alive Aka his opponent....

There performing nuclear fusion.

Kishi wrote this chapter

Well the scaling is now Naruto > Isshiki (granted he still isn’t full power) > Fused momo > ETSB kaguya (sasuke witnessed her final attack and still stated momo was a greater threat, and even if you say it was momo and kin he was referencing naruto still one shotted fused momo at half power. kinshiki is solely brute force based and the only hax momo used was time stop after he died so obviously AP is being referenced by sasuke.)

Momo was stated a greater threat and sasuke witnessed ETSB

False equivalency, Shisui was mostly a hax based character. Momo posses none....

This is every single message in this thread that you posted prior to

When you show me a reason why ap isn’t the obvious choice then I’ll concede.

Which one is your explanation on it being AP again?

 

[KingTempest]

He did, yeah. Although Kinshiki did smirk when Momoshiki said “Let me show you how my clan does it” (meaning turning someone into chakra fruit), so it’s possible that Kinshiki knew what was going to happen when Momo did that, meaning Kaguya could predict and attack him before she gets turned into a fruit.

That's a good point.
Any argument against that is honestly just speculation and possiblies, so I concede on this point

 

[SinisterShadow703]

Nah, i'm just confused why you bring up my past failed CRTs (CRT* I made only 1).

That's fair.

In taijutsu? Yeah. The best swordsman? Yeah. In the novel (another work of Kodachi), he flat out says this.

• “Plus I’ve just recently become one of the Gokage...l haven’t shown everyone my strength yet.” Choujuurou’s glasses shined. Amongst the Gokage, he was rumoured to be the best swordsman and assassin.

So... what's really going on?

Vigorous: strong, healthy, and full of energy. Peep the strong.

Is it not easy regardless?

Momoshiki is the only Otsutsuki with a rinnegan. And if you think the rinne-sharingan counts, Kaguya was the one that was gonna be sacrificed, so what's really going on?

Kinshiki: Where's Kaguya.
Sasuke: Not here anymore.
Kinshiki: Imma kill you

Quote it.
I didn't imply shit.
You keep bringing up random points I never insinuated.

Nah, I'm just genuinely confused on why you keep bringing up my past CRTs from over a month ago. Idk if it's validation, to be funny, to add on to your point, idk.
I don't give a damn about likes, I used that point to say that nobody agrees with you, so you publicly bashing me doesn't do shit.

That’s not the scan you sent when they were talking about feeding boruto, once again purposely bringing up different situations with different context to try and prove a point. Boruto was considered better food cuz it was stated jigen was crippled and battered, etc.....kenjutsu isn’t taijutsu and Assassination techniques generally bypass durability. Momoshiki was only shown mostly absorbing and using elementals cuz he thought of them as inferior and didn’t wanna exert himself, we see as soon as he transformed he was a god at taijutsu which obviously came from him and not kinshikis and not kinshiki unless you wanna show me kinshiki using taijutsu. Ishiki has a new unexplained eye your implying rinnesharingan is stronger than that which you will have to prove, if anything it’s obvious that eye is a stronger eye than a rinnesharingan since it’s related to the dharma wheel. Your also saying because kinshiki asked where’s kaguy somehow he was searching for her for 1000s of years even though they were tasked with different missions and kaguya was supposed to report to the clan and not them, if anything the safest assumption is that kinshiki was tasked by the clan to see why kaguya hasn’t reported back... Also them stating he would be easy to fight has no weight considering they did no substantial damage to him...

 

[SinisterShadow703]

And since you're sending me on a wild goose chase to look for your nonexistent explanation.


This is every single message in this thread that you posted prior to

Which one is your explanation on it being AP again?

Literally 90% of my quotes wasn’t even talking about AP literally was talking about the boruto manga and narutos new form and goku lmao. You can’t be that pressed by me ‘bashing’ you. Cute. I’ve already explained why it means nothing but AP numerous times, if you can’t find it that’s not my problem, love the passion tho it seems it’s so easy to make you upset.

 

[LordTracer]

I can understand why people would be hesitant about Momoshiki and Kinshiki being more powerful than Kaguya (cough cough Five Kage), buuuuuuut those Kage don’t have any anti-feats in this era and assuming that they’re weaker than [insert other character here] would be exactly that: an assumption.

And this era seems to be putting a lot of people on NaruSasu level even though it really makes no sense (reminds me of how DBS randomly made everyone and their mother 3-A). Like:

• Shin sorta-kinda tanks a fireball from Sasuke.
• Sakura bodies Shin, has her strength complimented by Sasuke (who we know will tell you when you’re trash), and the Boruto movie novelization states that she would be a good replacement for Naruto as Hokage.
• Shikamaru restrains Momo and Kin with his Shadow Possession and has the same statement as Sakura of being a good Hokage replacement.
• The Five Kage. Just the Five Kage.
• Temari being stated to possibly be the best Fūton user in the world despite Naruto, who has a Fūton affinity, existing. (Although this is Naruto only a few months after The Last, not full New Era)
• Chōji being stated in the Boruto anime to be the physically strongest man in Konoha. (Although this could mean LS and not SS)

Does it make sense? Not in the slightest. But it’s a thing, apparently.

 

[SinisterShadow703]

I can understand why people would be hesitant about Momoshiki and Kinshiki being more powerful than Kaguya (cough cough Five Kage), buuuuuuut those Kage don’t have any anti-feats in this era and assuming that they’re weaker than [insert other character here] would be exactly that: an assumption.

And this era seems to be putting a lot of people on NaruSasu level even though it really makes no sense (reminds me of how DBS randomly made everyone and their mother 3-A). Like:

• Shin sorta-kinda tanks a fireball from Sasuke.
• Sakura bodies Shin, has her strength complimented by Sasuke (who we know will tell you when you’re trash), and the Boruto movie novelization states that she would be a good replacement for Naruto as Hokage.
• Shikamaru restrains Momo and Kin with his Shadow Possession and has the same statement as Sakura of being a good Hokage replacement.
• The Five Kage. Just the Five Kage.
• Temari being stated to possibly be the best Fūton user in the world despite Naruto, who has a Fūton affinity, existing. (Although this is Naruto only a few months after The Last, not full New Era)
• Chōji being stated in the Boruto anime to be the physically strongest man in Konoha. (Although this could mean LS and not SS)

Does it make sense? Not in the slightest. But it’s a thing, apparently.

It’s obviously a double standard, statements like these would make other characters from verses like Dbs instantly get an upgrade. Like how gohan going from solar system to universal in a day, because he fought ssb goku even though ssb goku has perfect ki control and it can be easily implied that he lowered his power to solar system level to fight gohan but hey, kaguya who struggled with teen naruto still the strongest in the verse

 

[KingTempest]

That’s not the scan you sent when they were talking about feeding boruto, once again purposely bringing up different situations with different context to try and prove a point.

Its LITERALLY the page right before where it had the same context and same situation with the SAME person speaking.

Boruto was considered better food cuz it was stated jigen was crippled and battered, etc.....

Same Jigen kicked Sasuke into oblivion and was bullying them... so what's really going on.

kenjutsu isn’t taijutsu and Assassination techniques generally bypass durability.

I made that whole point and all you got from it was the taijutsu mistake
My point wasn't about the assassination, it was about melee in general.
I won't derail and prove why Chojuro's attacks have never been shown to bypass durability.

Momoshiki was only shown mostly absorbing and using elementals cuz he thought of them as inferior and didn’t wanna exert himself, we see as soon as he transformed he was a god at taijutsu

You've never been in a fight if you think Dodoshiki was a god at hand to hand combat.

He kicked an off guard Darui who was focused on the god tree. Couldn't punch through Gaara's sand.
Sneak attacks Chojuro. Check the page before, they were worried about Gaara. Punched Kurotsuchi in her stomach, the ultimate weak point.
Could barely do shit to an alert base Naruto, his physical strength was amped though, which allowed him to kick Naruto where Naruto got heavy knockback

Read my friend Joseph Puco on quora about Momoshiki's taijutsu. It shows that he's ass.

which obviously came from him and not kinshikis and not kinshiki unless you wanna show me kinshiki using taijutsu.

Show me Momoshiki using taijutsu prior to absorbing Kinshiki.

The same Sasuke who punched Fused Momoshiki to oblivion was blocked with one arm by Kinshiki. Jesus Christ what is this bullshit. Your "obviously"s are headcanon.
I didn't notice this, but we see Sasuke's rinnegan off his face right? BEAUTIFUL Taijutsu feat.
Kinshiki punched this same ******* Sasuke with his bare fist into a tree (something Momoshiki's corny ass needed to be amped to do) what'd Momoshiki do?

Ishiki has a new unexplained eye your implying rinnesharingan is stronger than that which you will have to prove, if anything it’s obvious that eye is a stronger eye than a rinnesharingan since it’s related to the dharma wheel.

How the **** did I imply that? All I said was that IN CASE you think Kaguya's eye counts, she's still a lower tier than someone else.

Your also saying because kinshiki asked where’s kaguy somehow he was searching for her for 1000s of years even though they were tasked with different missions and kaguya was supposed to report to the clan and not them,

You wanna tell me that if the princess of your clan went missing for 1000 years, you're not gonna care?

if anything the safest assumption is that kinshiki was tasked by the clan to see why kaguya hasn’t reported back...

Head of the cannon, or what I like to say, headcanon.

Also them stating he would be easy to fight has no weight considering they did no substantial damage to him...

Considering that when they went to Momoshiki, he started bitching, was speechless when Sasuke found out his weakness, and was looking around like a dummy.
Naruto even called him a coward that relied on doping. At least Kinshiki was strong, Momoshiki's just there to absorb and throw projectiles.

You forgot that Momoshiki basically said that if Sasuke swung earlier, he would've decapitated Momoshiki. That too late meant that he was too late trying to cut his head off. signifying that he would've DIED.

 

[KingTempest]

Literally 90% of my quotes wasn’t even talking about AP literally was talking about the boruto manga and narutos new form and goku lmao. You can’t be that pressed by me ‘bashing’ you. Cute. I’ve already explained why it means nothing but AP numerous times, if you can’t find it that’s not my problem, love the passion tho it seems it’s so easy to make you upset.

You said reread. I reread.
I quoted everything you said, cause I wasn't gonna miss anything.

Burden of proof is a thing.

I don't get upset over a debate with someone I don't know
Yall got me using caps to emphasize and you think I'm upset, I'm ctfu

 

[The_Alxhemist]

For future reference can anyone tell me how to post images in thread like Tempest did in post #881

 

[KingTempest]

For future reference can anyone tell me how to post images in thread like Tempest did in post #881

Click "insert image" in the bar above your text that's between the link paperclip and the emoji (I'm on computer).
For specifics about certain websites, here.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

The scroll didn't say that, that was Sasuke's hypothesis.

The scrolls did say that. The hypothesis at first was that they were greater threats than Kaguya. After the scroll was decoded Sasuke flat out says "Our suspicions were correct" Suspicions ofc referring to said Hypothesis

 

[KingTempest]

The scrolls did say that. The hypothesis at first was that they were greater threats than Kaguya. After the scroll was decoded Sasuke flat out says "Our suspicions were correct" Suspicions ofc referring to said Hypothesis

Nah, cause he said he had to go tell Naruto right away, and he said verbatim, "We finally decoded that scroll, the gist of what it says is a warning about this pair's invasion apparently. They're after chakra fruit. In other words, the bijuu chakra inside you. They plan on making pills from the chakra fruit. Something like medicine that can apparently increase power and extend life".

All the scroll talked about was their goal, not their power.

 

[SinisterShadow703]

Nah, cause he said he had to go tell Naruto right away, and he said verbatim, "We finally decoded that scroll, the gist of what it says is a warning about this pair's invasion apparently. They're after chakra fruit. In other words, the bijuu chakra inside you. They plan on making pills from the chakra fruit. Something like medicine that can apparently increase power and extend life".

All the scroll talked about was their goal, not their power.

Lmao I see your problem now, you just made one mistake that literally crumbles your whole essays “kaguya the princess of the clan” lmao. She isn’t and judging by that statement your making claims off of retconned and debunked statements from filler

 

[SinisterShadow703]

Nah, cause he said he had to go tell Naruto right away, and he said verbatim, "We finally decoded that scroll, the gist of what it says is a warning about this pair's invasion apparently. They're after chakra fruit. In other words, the bijuu chakra inside you. They plan on making pills from the chakra fruit. Something like medicine that can apparently increase power and extend life".

All the scroll talked about was their goal, not their power.

Then why did kaguya fear them.

Its LITERALLY the page right before where it had the same context and same situation with the SAME person speaking.

Same Jigen kicked Sasuke into oblivion and was bullying them... so what's really going on.

I made that whole point and all you got from it was the taijutsu mistake
My point wasn't about the assassination, it was about melee in general.
I won't derail and prove why Chojuro's attacks have never been shown to bypass durability.

You've never been in a fight if you think Dodoshiki was a god at hand to hand combat.

He kicked an off guard Darui who was focused on the god tree. Couldn't punch through Gaara's sand.
Sneak attacks Chojuro. Check the page before, they were worried about Gaara. Punched Kurotsuchi in her stomach, the ultimate weak point.
Could barely do shit to an alert base Naruto, his physical strength was amped though, which allowed him to kick Naruto where Naruto got heavy knockback

Read my friend Joseph Puco on quora about Momoshiki's taijutsu. It shows that he's ass.

Show me Momoshiki using taijutsu prior to absorbing Kinshiki.

The same Sasuke who punched Fused Momoshiki to oblivion was blocked with one arm by Kinshiki. Jesus Christ what is this bullshit. Your "obviously"s are headcanon.
I didn't notice this, but we see Sasuke's rinnegan off his face right? BEAUTIFUL Taijutsu feat.
Kinshiki punched this same ******* Sasuke with his bare fist into a tree (something Momoshiki's corny ass needed to be amped to do) what'd Momoshiki do?

How the **** did I imply that? All I said was that IN CASE you think Kaguya's eye counts, she's still a lower tier than someone else.

You wanna tell me that if the princess of your clan went missing for 1000 years, you're not gonna care?

Head of the cannon, or what I like to say, headcanon.

Considering that when they went to Momoshiki, he started bitching, was speechless when Sasuke found out his weakness, and was looking around like a dummy.
Naruto even called him a coward that relied on doping. At least Kinshiki was strong, Momoshiki's just there to absorb and throw projectiles.

You forgot that Momoshiki basically said that if Sasuke swung earlier, he would've decapitated Momoshiki. That too late meant that he was too late trying to cut his head off. signifying that he would've DIED

Duh it’s sasuke your argument was kaguya > momoshiki. Now show me battle damage from the kages on momoshiki prior, I’ll wait. Also your now implying kinshiki > fused momoshiki, imma need you to use your brain for a second and clearly see if sasuke is able to do that to fused momoshiki that obviously means two things, he wasn’t trying against kinshiki or he used up a lot of chakra by traversing throughout kaguyas dimensions..

 

[M3X_2.0]

@KingTempest Stop wasting your time with him. Someone who is seriously debating would never answer big arguments with irony. Nothing he says will be accepted or implemented in the profiles in any way, so ignore him.

 

[SinisterShadow703]

I don’t care about profiles, I’m just trying to figure out the thought process of the profiles . Actual scalers don’t use this wiki for tiering or speed, they only use it for descriptions of certain things. Anyways gtg.

 

[M3X_2.0]

And we don't ******* care if people use the wiki ratings or not, you will not change the profiles. Stop creating a lot of trouble with personal attacks against Tempest and the others. Otherwise, report and ban, since you already got a warning.

 

[SinisterShadow703]

Obviously you care if people use it, that’s why it’s created . Prodigious#5799 here’s my discord I can invite you to actual debating servers to get demolished by me or any other scaler, the scalers on this sight are god awful and on that note I’ll see myself out

 

[M3X_2.0]

******* finally

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

Are we going to have a key revision for naruto?

 

[KingTempest]

Preciate it @M3X

@Wrath_Of_Itachi I doubt we need to but it's bound to happen

 

[OneBleachHurricane]

Are we going to have a key revision for naruto?

I guess so. But do we put "All previous abilities as before" in the new key or do we just give it the stuff it has shown to have?

 

[Wrath_Of_Itachi]

I guess so. But do we put "All previous abilities as before" in the new key or do we just give it the stuff it has shown to have?

It depends on the form. For example; Naruto's new form in Boruto would just have all abilities in base since it doesn't use SM or SP chakra.

I only had one revision in mind and it's a pretty small one.

 

[Deako97]

Uhh buddy, you ignored the part were Kinshiki's body was rendered completely useless by Hiramekarei.

It was stated that the Ashstone seal was placed on him when his body was already weakened from having his entire Chakra Network disrupted(which would have caused damage his organs).
This is essentially what the Gentle Fist does, but with far less effort and with a far larger area of effect.

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Also I don't know why you are low-balling the New Kage.
Chojuro is currently the best swordsman in all the Great Nations and the best in Assassination. And he was able to defeat 3 of the Legendary swords of the Mist while injured, tired, holding back and using a broken Katana.

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Darui was trained by the Third Raikage and taken as the right hand man by the Fourth Raikage by the time he was 16. And his skill was directly compared to Sasuke and Naruto as an Adult.

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I doubt I need to explain Gaara.

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And I haven't gotten far enough in the anime to talk about Kurotsuchi.

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All in all, I don't believe that they scale to Momoshiki or Kinshiki as most of the compliments they gave were about skill, and I don't believe they have completely surpassed Madara and Hashirama in power, but mentioning a gaggle of characters that couldn't surpass them isn't exactly a viable argument.

1. Lol its not that i ignored it i just didnt know that info. This also just proves my point on how kinshiki couldnt defeat 2 kage level shinobi

2. Im not low balling the new kages. Their kage level without a doubt but thats where it ends

3. Chojuro is strong yes im not arguing that and why would you use him fighting the new 7 swordsmen as a feat???????

The whole new 7 swordsmen rebellion incident was written off as "a scuffle among kids"

4. Darui is strong we get that and i dont know where you got the age of 16 from never heard that or read that anywhere

His skills may be compared but not his power thata the difference. Skills can only get you so far, you need power too

5. The fact they can immbolize one of them ans force the other to continuously retreat is a major thing.

6. My point was these new kages have no feat or statement that put them on charcaters such as kurama mode naruto, hiruzen, kurama mode minato and tobirama let alone madara and haishrama.

When discarding juubi and 6 path power those charcaters are the god tier of the verse with powers unmatched thats just the reaility of the verse

Hiruzen in his prime was called a god of shinobi making him stronger than characters such as 3rd raikage that stalemate with 8 tails.

Tobirama freaked everyone but haishrama out by lifting his finger

Haishrama stated kurama mode naruto had almost as much chakra/power as him.

If the new kages had statements or feats on the level of these charcaters then i have no issue to admitting their on their level but im not just gonna believe the kages are on that level with no evidence.

Can you actually prove that they’re stronger than the new Kage though? Can you show me where the manga compares the current Five Kage to the people you’re referring to? If not, then your claim of the Five Kage being inferior has no evidence behind it.

Their stronger than the new kages because they have feats and statement that surpasses the new kage

For the new kages to be stronger they needed to be stated to be stronger not the other way around. Going just by feats shows these charcaters stronger

When did clones have weaker dura and such?

Clones have always been shown to be weaker than the original not only that but tsuande never replicated the feat ever again on the orginal.

After reading through, it's clear your arguments are based on personal beliefs instead of what is shown and stated.

New Era Kages aren't the same as the fodder old Era Kages. These ones were able to pull their weights against people that Kaguya herself feared, and Sasuke himself attested to their strength after 1 altercation.

I don't know why you're mentioning Edo Madara here, these Kages kept up with an Ōtsutsuki that pretty much kept with Papasuke So yes, together they've pretty much easily surpassed the Madara/Hashirama benchmark for speed and AP

When Papasuke said there were greater threats than Kaguya, it's damn obvious he meant the duo, hell he mentioned their name, Kaguya herself mentioned both names, Isshiki wasn't mentioned. Kaguya's army wasn't for the clan but the duo.

Momoshiki dying to a 50% Naruto doesn't matter one bit. It's not like he gets weaker as his chakra volume reduces, we're talking about the same guy that didn't get fatigued until he was at the last drops of chakra. There's also the fact that the giant rasengan scales far above what was used to bust the Teisengan orb back in The Last

1.Not really is based on logical thinking

2. Sasuke in his fight with kinshiki used only his sword he didnt use any ninjutsu or anything just his sword and he made a hypothesis

3. You taking about the new kages that became kages during an era of peace with no conflict or anything surpassed previous kages that were in constant conflict and has reasons to become stronger. Even naruto became rusty during peace time so how the **** do you think these new kages suddenly became massively stronger

4. I mentioned edo madara to show how powerful he was and how je was toying with 5 kages with 0 diffculty while kinshiki was beaten by 2 kages and momshiki was forced to continuously retreat by 2 kages.

5. Sasuke statement was a hypothesis not a fact and the very fact that urashiki stated that kaguya feared they existence when he wasn't even mentioned in the scrolls says alot

6. Haishrama and madara were only that strong because their were the reincarnation of indra and ausra.

Its impossible for these new kages to be stronger when all other kages failed to do so during times of war and conflict where there were plently of reasons to grow stronger compared to the peace era where theres little to no reason of motivation to be stronger

 

[LordTracer]

Their stronger than the new kages because they have feats and statement that surpasses the new kage

New Kage fought Momoshiki and Kinshiki, who are directly stated to be stronger than Kaguya and she is stated to fear them.

New Era Kage actually have the better feats and statements here, so again, you saying that the New Era Kage are weaker than [insert character here] is just assumptions.

 

[Metalija]

New era kage >>>Hashirama and Madara. Even if its stupid its true.

 

[Slacjow]

Hashirama would solo new Kage excluding Naruto.
"Do you want my clones to use Wood Golem or not?"
Something like this gonna happen.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I can understand why people would be hesitant about Momoshiki and Kinshiki being more powerful than Kaguya (cough cough Five Kage), buuuuuuut those Kage don’t have any anti-feats in this era and assuming that they’re weaker than [insert other character here] would be exactly that: an assumption.

And this era seems to be putting a lot of people on NaruSasu level even though it really makes no sense (reminds me of how DBS randomly made everyone and their mother 3-A). Like:

• Shin sorta-kinda tanks a fireball from Sasuke.
• Sakura bodies Shin, has her strength complimented by Sasuke (who we know will tell you when you’re trash), and the Boruto movie novelization states that she would be a good replacement for Naruto as Hokage.
• Shikamaru restrains Momo and Kin with his Shadow Possession and has the same statement as Sakura of being a good Hokage replacement.
• The Five Kage. Just the Five Kage.
• Temari being stated to possibly be the best Fūton user in the world despite Naruto, who has a Fūton affinity, existing. (Although this is Naruto only a few months after The Last, not full New Era)
• Chōji being stated in the Boruto anime to be the physically strongest man in Konoha. (Although this could mean LS and not SS)

Does it make sense? Not in the slightest. But it’s a thing, apparently.

I don't really like it
But it looks like what DBS did with the Z-fighters.
Just made all of them relevant again

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

I'm fine with it purely because Darui is a chad.

 

[Deako97]

New Kage fought Momoshiki and Kinshiki, who are directly stated to be stronger than Kaguya and she is stated to fear them.

New Era Kage actually have the better feats and statements here, so again, you saying that the New Era Kage are weaker than [insert character here] is just assumptions.

Kinshiki and momoshiki were hypothesis to be stronger nothing more even chojuro stated their too vague. So no its not confirmed

Fear=/= power

Its ridiculous to even think new kages would be on levels such as kurama mode naruto. Let alone madara or haishrama who have more chakra than kurama mode naruto

 

[LordTracer]

Hashirama would solo new Kage excluding Naruto.
"Do you want my clones to use Wood Golem or not?"
Something like this gonna happen.

Can you prove this with actual evidence from the Boruto manga?

 

[LordTracer]

Kinshiki and momoshiki were hypothesis to be stronger nothing more even chojuro stated their too vague. So no its not confirmed

Fear=/= power

Its ridiculous to even think new kages would be on levels such as kurama mode naruto. Let alone madara or haishrama who have more chakra than kurama mode naruto

And Sasuke later said that they were indeed the people that the scroll was warning about, so yes, they are more powerful than Kaguya. The series itself says so.

I already discussed this in length, Kaguya would have no reason whatsoever to fear them if she were superior to them in AP.

“It’s ridiculous” is not an argument. And having more chakra =/= having more AP.

 

[The_Alxhemist]

1.Not really is based on logical thinking

2. Sasuke in his fight with kinshiki used only his sword he didnt use any ninjutsu or anything just his sword and he made a hypothesis

3. You taking about the new kages that became kages during an era of peace with no conflict or anything surpassed previous kages that were in constant conflict and has reasons to become stronger. Even naruto became rusty during peace time so how the **** do you think these new kages suddenly became massively stronger

4. I mentioned edo madara to show how powerful he was and how je was toying with 5 kages with 0 diffculty while kinshiki was beaten by 2 kages and momshiki was forced to continuously retreat by 2 kages.

5. Sasuke statement was a hypothesis not a fact and the very fact that urashiki stated that kaguya feared they existence when he wasn't even mentioned in the scrolls says alot

6. Haishrama and madara were only that strong because their were the reincarnation of indra and ausra.

Its impossible for these new kages to be stronger when all other kages failed to do so during times of war and conflict where there were plently of reasons to grow stronger compared to the peace era where theres little to no reason of motivation to be stronger

1. So...... assumptions? Cause that's what you're doing bruh
2. He did use Ninjustu his blade was clad in Lightning style
3. Again Assumptions, if the New Era Kages were fodder as you think they are, Sasuke wouldn't assume they'd be able to stand a chance against people that Kaguya feared and felt the need to make an army against.
4. You shouldn't have even mentioned Edo Madara in the first place, he's irrelevant in New Era scaling. You'd need to prove Kages managing to seal Kinshiki is an antifeat for the Ōtsutsuki duo instead of a feat for the Kages. Something which you should do with actual feats and statements in the series instead of the random assumptions you're pulling.
5. Yes, that statement was an hypothesis at first but it got confirmed in Boruto's early chapters, which again didn't mention Urashiki, Isshiki or the clan but Momoshiki and Kinshiki
6. So you're basis of them not being strong is that fact that you find it hard to believe someone can get that strong without being reincarnations of Indra and Ashura??

All you're making again is assumptions

 

[Slacjow]

Can you prove this with actual evidence from the Boruto manga?

I am not going to rate new Kage's above Madara and Hashirama just because some ******* ancient scroll had some vague statements you don't even clearly know about.
The only thing you can probably scale to Kages is speed and only to lower levels because they could barely keep up with Kinshiki head on.
I am going to cover notable interactions Kages had against Kinshiki.
It starts from Ch7 P24:
1. Kurotsuchi punches Kinshiki and sends him flying, doesn't warrant scaling, she moved his mass.
2. In the next scene Sasuke Chidoris him, paralysis and leaves him weakened.
3. In the scene after Chijiro uses Hiramikarei's bs bonefuckery jutsu and impales Kinshiki with those then they restrict his movements with earth release.
How does any of this warrant scaling Kage to Kinshiki? Only after Sasuke Chidorid him were Chojiro capable of impaling him with Hiramikarei's Ability, it doesn't scale to anyone out there, and that single feat can even be disregarded as PIS or an Outlier, pick one.
So, for Kinshiki there's literally a single feat of doing damage to him and it wasn't even a character.
There are even less feats against Momoshiki, Ch7 P33:
1. Darui attacks Momo with a sword which gets easily blocked by Black Rod.
2. Sasuke arrives at the scene and then nothing happens.
Thats it.

 

[Gokukid2005]

I'm fine with it purely because Darui is a chad.

Darui does exude huge chad energy

 

[LordTracer]

I am not going to rate new Kage's above Madara and Hashirama just because some ******* ancient scroll had some vague statements you don't even clearly know about.

“vague statements”
Sasuke literally confirms that the scroll was talking about Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
Also what I’m seeing is that you don’t have an actual reason from the manga to arbitrarily assume Hashirama and Madara are stronger.

The only thing you can probably scale to Kages is speed and only to lower levels because they could barely keep up with Kinshiki head on.

“barely keep up”
Lel

1. Kurotsuchi punches Kinshiki and sends him flying, doesn't warrant scaling, she moved his mass.

If she were massively weaker, she wouldn’t have even budged him.

2. In the next scene Sasuke Chidoris him, paralysis and leaves him weakened.

Kinshiki being left weakened by the Chidori is headcanon that isn’t said anywhere in the chapter.

3. In the scene after Chijiro uses Hiramikarei's bs bonefuckery jutsu and impales Kinshiki with those then they restrict his movements with earth release.

These are blatant examples of why they scale. And I don’t want to hear any “but the piercing damage” stuff. You’re not about to pick up a sharp stick and impale an Ōtsutsuki with it just because it has a point. It should also be noted that Sasuke’s Chidori infused blade didn’t pierce Kinshiki. Also it was Lava Release that Kurotsuchi used to restrain Kinshiki, and the fact that he failed to break out of it without Momoshiki ripping him out of it shows that Kurotsuchi scales.

1. Darui attacks Momo with a sword which gets easily blocked by Black Rod.

Momoshiki’s expression is not what I’d call one of someone who isn’t exerting any effort.

Also you convienently left out how Gaara (who I remind you was able to block hits from Madara’s Susano’o fifteen years prior) was able to react to and block Fused Momoshiki with his sand.

 

[UchihaSlayer96]

“barely keep up”
Lel

Kinshiki's "AARGH!" face never gets old lol.

 

[KingTempest]

And Sasuke later said that they were indeed the people that the scroll was warning about, so yes, they are more powerful than Kaguya. The series itself says so.

C. Why would the scroll say Momo and Kin are more frightening threats than her?

The scroll didn't say that, that was Sasuke's hypothesis.

The scrolls did say that. The hypothesis at first was that they were greater threats than Kaguya. After the scroll was decoded Sasuke flat out says "Our suspicions were correct" Suspicions ofc referring to said Hypothesis

Nah, cause he said he had to go tell Naruto right away, and he said verbatim, "We finally decoded that scroll, the gist of what it says is a warning about this pair's invasion apparently. They're after chakra fruit. In other words, the bijuu chakra inside you. They plan on making pills from the chakra fruit. Something like medicine that can apparently increase power and extend life".

All the scroll talked about was their goal, not their power.