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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

HelloThere1089 said:
Better than an Uchiha inside the garden.
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It's time for some analysis fellas. As we all know, the visuals for the Otsutsuki god is most likely inspired from the Parabola music video by Tool.

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But the lyrics and video of the song lead me to believe that the plot might derive some elements from it as well.

[Verse]
We barely remember
Who or what came before this precious moment
We are choosing to be here right now
Hold on, stay inside

[Pre-Chorus]
This holy reality
This holy experience
Choosing to be here in

[Chorus]
This body, this body holding me
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me
Feeling eternal, all this pain is an illusion

[Post-Chorus]
Alive

[Pre-Chorus]
In this holy reality
In this holy experience
Choosing to be here in

[Chorus]
This body, this body holding me
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me
Feeling eternal, all this pain is an illusion

[Bridge]
Twirling 'round with this familiar parable
Spinning, weaving 'round each new experience
Recognize this as a holy gift and
Celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing
A chance to be alive and breathing

[Outro]
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality
Embrace this moment, remember
We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion

The lyrics seem to emphasize the fact that the being doesn't know what came before their consciousness. And believes that their consciousness is eternal. All pain and suffering is just an illusion in the grand scheme of things. Hinting that there is something beyond their mortal body which is eternal. The timespan where the being has to suffer pain is limited. But the pain is important because it reminds him that he is alive and breathing.

So the lyrics, instead of telling us to leave the mortal body, is telling us to enjoy and celebrate the time we have being "alive" in this body. The name of the song is "Parabola". Which might indicate that this is about the temporary dip in the graph of a parabola. The temporary dip being the time we have in the mortal body. Temporary pain and feeling of being alive. This is basically the gist of it.

The video starts with a mysterious ritual performed by some shady people. After the ritual is done, a grey puppet is formed that walks into a room with another man. This man and this puppet are in a room with a weird tree in the middle of it. There is a window that shows the outside world to the man. Also there is a growing blob in the room. The blob grows and eventually kills the puppet and the man is then distraught. The man bisects the puppet and then basically mourns it or sumn. Then he finally goes outside the room into the outside world chased by the blob. After walking a bit, he picks up a leaf. The leaf turns into an eye and enters his body from his feet. It travels up opening some sorts of gates in his body and then eventually open his third eye. The being gains some sort of enlightenment and he becomes what we see in the picture above. Then he slowly becomes one with the overarching structure.

From what I gather, the ritual is what gives birth to the mortal experience. The puppet signifies the mortal body. The room signifies all the pain and suffering. The blob signifies the beings curiosity, or a feeling that pushes him to seek the outside world. The outside world is basically the "truth and reality" as opposed to the illusion (the room). Lastly, sacrificing the mortal body is the only way to reach true reality.

Following are the stuff that I gathered:
  1. The initial ritual could mean that the Otsutsuki were created by a primordial entity/group that is not someone that ascended from this Universe. Or the creators are not Otsutsuki themselves and reside outside of the main Universe.
  2. The "room" could be the main physical universe and the "outside world" could be the higher dimension. Which leads me to think that the blob is an Otsutsuki's innate desire to ascend. I think they can't help it and are basically forced by their instinct to be this way.
  3. The lyrics of the song lead me to believe that after ascension, Shibai might be regretting his decision of choosing to not celebrate his mortal existence and instead obsess over ascension. Becoming one with the overarching structure might lead to not feeling alive anymore despite being aware.

Full disclaimer, I just wanted to draw some attention to this comparison but language and literature were some of my weakest subjects in school. So some of it might not make sense. So let me know.
 
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HelloThere1089 said:
It's time for some analysis fellas. As we all know, the visuals for the Otsutsuki god is most likely inspired from the Parabola music video by Tool.

97436_0_wide_ver1569345869.jpg@1200

main-qimg-f35cdcc9de635a0c2ad6636c3fd350f5-pjlq

But the lyrics and video of the song lead me to believe that the plot might derive some elements from it as well.

[Verse]
We barely remember
Who or what came before this precious moment
We are choosing to be here right now
Hold on, stay inside

[Pre-Chorus]
This holy reality
This holy experience
Choosing to be here in

[Chorus]
This body, this body holding me
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me
Feeling eternal, all this pain is an illusion

[Post-Chorus]
Alive

[Pre-Chorus]
In this holy reality
In this holy experience
Choosing to be here in

[Chorus]
This body, this body holding me
Be my reminder here that I am not alone in
This body, this body holding me
Feeling eternal, all this pain is an illusion

[Bridge]
Twirling 'round with this familiar parable
Spinning, weaving 'round each new experience
Recognize this as a holy gift and
Celebrate this chance to be alive and breathing
A chance to be alive and breathing

[Outro]
This body holding me reminds me of my own mortality
Embrace this moment, remember
We are eternal, all this pain is an illusion

The lyrics seem to emphasize the fact that the being doesn't know what came before their consciousness. And believes that their consciousness is eternal. All pain and suffering is just an illusion in the grand scheme of things. Hinting that there is something beyond their mortal body which is eternal. The timespan where the being has to suffer pain is limited. But the pain is important because it reminds him that he is alive and breathing.

So the lyrics, instead of telling us to leave the mortal body, is trying to enjoy and celebrate the time we have being "alive" in this body. The name of the song is "Parabola". Which might indicate that this is about the temporary dip in the graph of a parabola. The temporary dip being the time we have in the mortal body. Temporary pain and feeling of being alive. This is basically the gist of it.

The video starts with a mysterious ritual performed by some shady people. After the ritual is done, a grey puppet is formed that walks into a room with another man. This man and this puppet are in a room with a weird tree in the middle of it. There is a window that shows the outside world to the man. Also their is a growing blob in the room. The blob grows and eventually kills the puppet and the man is then distraught. The man bisects the puppet and then basically mourns it or sumn. Then he finally goes outside the room into the outside world chased by the blob. After walking a bit, he picks up a leaf. The leaf turns into an eye and enters his body from his feet. It travels up opening some sorts of gates in his body and then eventually open his third eye. The being gains some sort of enlightenment and he becomes what we see in the picture above. Then he slowly becomes one with the overarching structure.

From what I gather, the ritual is what gives birth to the mortal experience. The puppet signifies the mortal body. The room signifies all the pain and suffering. The blob signifies the beings curiosity, or a feeling that pushes him to seek the outside world. The outside world is basically the "truth and reality" as opposed to the illusion (the room). Lastly, sacrificing the mortal body is the only way to reach true reality.

Following are the stuff that I gathered:
  1. The initial ritual could mean that the Otsutsuki were created by a primordial entity/group that is not someone that ascended from this Universe. Or the creators are not Otsutsuki themselves and reside outside of the main Universe.
  2. The "room" could be the main physical universe and the "outside world" could be the higher dimension. Which leads me to think that the blob is an Otsutsuki's innate desire to ascend. I think they can't help it and are basically forced by their instinct to be this way.
  3. The lyrics of the song lead me to believe that after ascension, Shibai might be regretting his decision of choosing to not celebrate his mortal existence and instead obsess over ascension. Becoming one with the overarching structure might lead to not feeling alive anymore despite being aware.

Full disclaimer, I just wanted to draw some attention to this comparison but language and literature were some of my weakest subjects in school. So some of it might not make sense. So let me know.
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Holy cook
 
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Forest of Susser

Intro This is a revisit of this thread for this calc that highkey just died off without ever reaching a solid conclusion. Argument The claim here is that the circular forest we see with the river running through it is the Forest of Death. The argument as for why that circular forest would be...
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should the fusion of black zetsu and obito not be on obito profile instead of black zetsu? Obito performed all the feats. He was in control like the entire time until he used rinne rebirth and almost died. He was the one that had and stole six path chakra, he manifested the TSO .
 
karo_senpaii said:
should the fusion of black zetsu and obito not be on obito profile instead of black zetsu? Obito performed all the feats. He was in control like the entire time until he used rinne rebirth and almost died. He was the one that had and stole six path chakra, he manifested the TSO .
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Obito's profile needs a massive rework.
 
Arc7Kuroi said:
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Forest of Susser

Intro This is a revisit of this thread for this calc that highkey just died off without ever reaching a solid conclusion. Argument The claim here is that the circular forest we see with the river running through it is the Forest of Death. The argument as for why that circular forest would be...
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what a thread name
SlendVeny said:
Obito's profile needs a massive rework.
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fair and also should the MAS sword not be possibly High 6A scaling to obito sword?
 
SlendVeny said:
Since my last discussion was inconclusive, let's move on to round 2:

Resurrected Post-Edo Madara(2 Rinnegan) and Izuna Uchiha vs Alive Hashirama and Tobirama
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Since there was like 0 discussion on this, I'll say I'm leaning Team Senju here.

Although, topic aside, I think I'll have to make an Izuna profile soon. I think there was a statement about MS Izuna and Madara being comparable somewhere.
 
SlendVeny said:
Since there was like 0 discussion on this, I'll say I'm leaning Team Senju here.

Although, topic aside, I think I'll have to make an Izuna profile soon. I think there was a statement about MS Izuna and Madara being comparable somewhere.
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Madara claps, these people have no answer for Limbo. Like, I could give more reasons, but Limbo alone is just too much.
 
SlendVeny said:
Since there was like 0 discussion on this, I'll say I'm leaning Team Senju here.

Although, topic aside, I think I'll have to make an Izuna profile soon. I think there was a statement about MS Izuna and Madara being comparable somewhere.
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like slayer said limbo clears. It's like the repeat of alive hashirama vs dual rinnengan alive madara
 
UchihaSlayer96 said:
Madara claps, these people have no answer for Limbo. Like, I could give more reasons, but Limbo alone is just too much.
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I'm pretty sure he only has one Limbo Clone before becoming Juubidara. So considering Tobirama beats Izuna, and both him and Hashirama have clones, couldn't they stall Limbo while they get some hits on on Madara?
 
SlendVeny said:
I'm pretty sure he only has one Limbo Clone before becoming Juubidara. So considering Tobirama beats Izuna, and both him and Hashirama have clones, couldn't they stall Limbo while they get some hits on on Madara?
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One Rinnegan = 1 Limbo
Two Rinnegan = 4 Limbo

If we're giving him both eyes in this hypothetical, then he'll have 4 Limbos. But to be completely honest with you, it doesn't matter either way because one Limbo is more than enough.
The thing here is that these guys literally can't do anything at all against Limbo. They can't see it, they can't sense it, and they can't physically interact with it in any way. How would they stall it? They'll just get killed without ever realizing what's going on.
Think about it. Hashirama, while superior overall yes, still went life and death with EMS madara. Now, imagine that same Madara now has all of the Rinnegan's BS hax abilities, and Wood Release, in addition to potentially up to 4 identical "clones" that are impossible to see, sense, or touch.
Yeah, Madara won't have the Nine Tails, which is a massive blow to his AP output, but this version more than makes up for it with hax.
It's a stomp imo.
 
Also I think someone on this thread mentioned that wood style is super effective against tailed beasts, so Kurama wasn't that much of a buff to begin with. But idk how that plays out with the Shinju, cuz HIMawari straight up broke through Jura's wood.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Also I think someone on this thread mentioned that wood style is super effective against tailed beasts, so Kurama wasn't that much of a buff to begin with. But idk how that plays out with the Shinju, cuz HIMawari straight up broke through Jura's wood.
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I think it varies based on the Wood Release technique and how powerful it is.
For instance, Yamato's Mokuton was struggling heavily to restrain 4 Tailed Naruto, but when he used Hashirama's sealing jutsu he was immediately subdued.
Likewise, Kurama broke through Hashirama's Wood Dragon with relative ease, but was subdued by the Wood Golem's sealing jutsu.

So I think in Jura's case, he was probably just underestimating Himawari, and simply needed to use more power against her? It's either that or their Wood Release straight up has different properties, which is possible.
 
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