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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

BeTheWay1rst said:
Shouldn't spiritual beings like Hagoromo lack the physical part of the Chakra ?
Also, where does the spiritual part of the Chakra come from since Chakra = mental + physical energie ? Chakra Absorption = Soul Absorption ?
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Chakra is Physical Energy and Mental(Spiritual) Energy transmuted into Energy

The Physical part typically comes from the energy of physical cells but can also be associated with Vitality or Life.

The Mental Part is often called the Spiritual half of chakra as well because it’s comprised of the consciousness and mental stamina along with heavy ties to a persons soul.

Because creatures like the Bijuu or beings like Hagaromo or Ghost Obito have consciousness and a life force via their soul as that’s what Chakra Ghosts are, so they end up accounting for all the fundamentals required to mold chakra even without needing a physical body.
 
Godernet said:
I know

When I said Six Paths Rinnegan I’m talking about a Rinnegan enhanced with Six Paths Chakra which like you said, is basically just Juubi or Hags chakra.


No Nagato straight up just doesn’t have it.

Naruto, Sasuke, Obito, and Madara gained their immunities instantly when they got SP chakra.

Madara also proclaims to have only gotten Six Paths powers after absorbing the Juubi despite having already awakened his own rinnegan.

It’s really not, the databook says that just having SPSM makes you immune, nothing about skill. I don’t think anything in the manga makes it out to be anything but a passive product of SPC either.
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Six Paths chakra has been a thing even before Juubi.

Obito when he was about to kill Konan alluded to himself (Madara, actually) having the power of six paths when he combined Hashirama's chakra with his.

Hagoromo, when talking to Naruto, stated Madara awakened the rinnegan which is a derivation of his (Hagoromo's) own chakra's power. That chakra Hagoromo referred to was Six Paths chakra. There's no way Madara would have activated rinnegan without Six Paths chakra.

Madara proclaimed "So this is the Power of the Six Paths" when he became Juubi Jinchuriki because he activated another level of six paths power. One that grants him the Six Paths Senjutsu. He had always had the Six Paths chakra in the form of rinnegan before that.
 
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Kayzz said:
Six Paths chakra has been a thing even before Juubi.

Obito when he was about to kill Konan alluded to himself (Madara, actually) having power of six paths when he combined Hashirama's chakra with his.
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For one Obito isn’t a credible source on what Six Paths power is since he’s parroting Madara who learned everything he knows from the half true Uchiha Stone Tablets

Also, It’s a common thing in manga for the word “power” to be used in the context of abilities and/or raw power.

Izanagi is an ability of the Mangekyo Sharingan, an ability passed down from Indura, that was a derivative of Hagaromos own Dojutsu.

If we go by that logic “Powers” from the Six Paths have existed since the introduction of the Sharingan and Byakugan.

Kayzz said:
Hagoromo, when talking to Naruto, stated Madara awakened the rinnegan which is a derivation of his (Hagoromo's) own chakra's power.
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His Chakra’s “Power/ability” is not the same as the literal power of his chakra.

Again “power” is often supplemented with abilities in manga.

The Rinnegan is a product of mimicking Hagaromos power via the mixing of Asura and Induras power

Six Paths Chakra is specifically Juubi Power, which is why Hagaromo can give it out because he was the Juubi Jinchuuriki, just like how Obito could let Kakashi use it after his experience as the Juubi Jin.
Kayzz said:
That chakra Hagoromo referred to was Six Paths chakra.
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He’s not referring to literal chakra, like I said above he’s referring to an ability granted by his chakra, the rinnegan.

Something Madara gained by mimicking Hagaromos chakra with his and Hashirama’s chakra.
Kayzz said:
There's no way Madara would have activated rinnegan without Six Paths chakra.
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there’s nothing in the story that states or implies this.
Kayzz said:
Madara proclaimed "So this is the Power of the Six Paths" when he became Juubi Jinchuriki because he activated another level of six paths power. One that grants him the Six Paths Senjutsu.
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“So this is the Power of the Six Paths” is not something someone would say if they were just getting a boosted version of something they already had.

It’s something someone’s would say if they’re experiencing something for the first time.

We also know that Madara pointed out that Naruto has Six Paths Senjutsu and Sasuke gained a Rinnegan but boasted how he has both (which at the very least means in Madara’s mind having a Rinnegan doesn’t automatically give you Six Paths Chakra which he would know from personal experience since he awakened his Rinnegan.)
 
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Godernet said:
For one Obito isn’t a credible source on what Six Paths power is since he’s parroting Madara who learned everything he knows from the half true Uchiha Stone Tablets

Also, It’s a common thing in manga for the word “power” to be used in the context of abilities and/or raw power.

Izanagi is an ability of the Mangekyo Sharingan, an ability passed down from Indura, that was a derivative of Hagaromos own Dojutsu.

If we go by that logic “Powers” from the Six Paths have existed since the introduction of the Sharingan and Byakugan.


His Chakra’s “Power” is not the same as his literal chakra.

Again “power” is often supplemented with abilities in manga.

The Rinnegan is a product of mimicking Hagaromos power via the mixing of Asura and Induras power

Six Paths Chakra is specifically Juubi Power, which is why Hagaromo can give it out because he was the Juubi Jinchuuriki, just like how Obito could let Kakashi use it after his experience as the Juubi Jin.

He’s not referring to literal chakra, like I said above he’s referring to an ability granted by his chakra, the rinnegan.

Something Madara gained by mimicking Hagaromos chakra with his and Hashirama’s chakra.

there’s nothing in the story that states or implies this.

“So this is the Power of the Six Paths” is not something someone would say if they were just getting a boosted version of something they already had.

It’s something someone’s would say if they’re experiencing something for the first time.

We also know that Madara pointed out that Naruto has Six Paths Senjutsu and Sasuke gained a Rinnegan but boasted how he has both (which at the very least means in Madara’s mind having a Rinnegan doesn’t automatically give you Six Paths Chakra which he would know from personal experience since he awakened his Rinnegan.)
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Izanagi was never stated to be Six Paths power. It is a genjutsu created by the Uchiha using the same principles of yin-yang manipulation similar to the one Hagoromo uses in COAT.

However, the Rinnegan has been directly stated to be Six Paths Power.

You can't disagree that Madara has Six Paths chakra even after combining Indra and Ashura's chakra, which is Hagoromo's chakra. And Hagoromo had six paths chakra even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuriki.

There's literally no way someone can have the power of something without having the chakra.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
I am people
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nemu and stuff is like the storyboarding, dialogue ect. for example while kishi didnt do the art of samurai 8 he did do the nemu, so basically how everything is layout, the dialogue ect.

Ikemoto has done the nemu since the first chapter of boruto even with Kodachi. the story by role is as it says, its a story by kishi, it doesnt mean his writing the screenplay (which kodachi was specifically credited as) Kishi role is similar to toriyama for the super manga, and in the same breath as stuff like the cho cho arc or the urashiki stuff. where you have a general story outline and its up to the screenwriter and or artist to flesh it out, with scenes, dialogue and general plot progression.
 
Kayzz said:
Izanagi was never stated to be Six Paths power. It is a genjutsu created by the Uchiha using the same principles of yin-yang manipulation similar to the one Hagoromo uses in COAT.
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reread the Konan portion

Obito calls Izanagi a Jutsu only usable by those with Uchiha and Senju powers(which we know isn’t true for one) to which Konan responds “the six paths power?” To which Obito replies “yes” albeit with a long explanation.

Obito isn’t a reliable narrator for anything Six Paths related at this point in the story.
Kayzz said:
However, the Rinnegan has been directly stated to be Six Paths Power.
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An ability of the Six Paths does not mean Six Paths chakra.

As one can mimic Hagaromos power for the same result

Six Paths Chakra = Hagaromos Chakra
Six Paths Senjutsu = Juubi Power

Using Asura and Indura’s halves allows you to access certain abilities of the Six Paths but it has never been stated to grant Six Paths Chakra specifically, nor is that what’s shown.
Kayzz said:
You can't disagree that Madara has Six Paths chakra even after combining Indra and Ashura's chakra, which is Hagoromo's chakra.
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He combines Indura and Asura’s reincarnated chakras to gain a power similar which is why he could awaken a similar Dojutsu but it’s not the same as Hagaromo’s literal chakra.

But the Rinnegan doesn’t require Hagaromo’s Chakra at all just something similar.

Or else why do Momoshiki and Urashiki have them?
Kayzz said:
And Hagoromo had six paths chakra even before becoming the Juubi's Jinchuriki.
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Because he’s the descendant of Kaguya, who ate the Shinju, all Six Path stuff originated from the Shinju/Juubi.
Kayzz said:
There's literally no way someone can have the power of something without having the chakra.
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That’s never fully been the case.

Most of the unique abilities in Naruto are tied to genetics not chakra(hence Kekkai Genkai or Bloodline Limit)

You can gain an ability via similar lineage rather than having the exact same chakra
 
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MinatoSparkle said:
wdym
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This talk about Konoha and the possibility of that Circle Forest being FoD, carries the connotation that 6-Tails BD is gonna eventually be taken out the fridge and end back up on the stove.

I know it’s in reference to the DB saying the explosion could easily wipe out a Village, but… a rising tide raises all ships. 🤷‍♂️
 
Its dumb that they didnt make ninja tech more widespread after the timeskip with Katasuke and Amado possibly working together for years. It would have helped justify the huge leaps in power that the side cast is demonstrating if they started using Kara level tech or better.
 
Speaking or Tenten… can we talk about “why” Hagoromo felt the need to create his Ninja Tools? Like… what was the purpose?! After Kaguya/Juubi was defeated, he was practically a god to the rest of the world. And outside of his sons, I’m sure that first generation of Chakra weilding Humans were “maybe” Genin Level
 
Would it be worth calcing Jura’s misfired Biju Bomb just for indexing purposes

Or would that yield something hella low too
 
ssgengar said:
Funny how Boruto characters range from 5-C to Low 5-B yet the highest calc on the verse page is 7-C lmao, the jump from that to the new 5-B Uzuhiko calc is wild
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In the verse page, yeah
There are numerous possible calculations that would yield higher values but it’s not necessary since characters already scale well above it
Eg Naruto & Sasuke continental destruction statement
 
Imagine Jura's (and by extension the Shinju's) character arc ends with him dropping Paarthurnax's banger ass line: "What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature through great effort?"
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
This talk about Konoha and the possibility of that Circle Forest being FoD, carries the connotation that 6-Tails BD is gonna eventually be taken out the fridge and end back up on the stove.

I know it’s in reference to the DB saying the explosion could easily wipe out a Village, but… a rising tide raises all ships. 🤷‍♂️
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I mean it's only relevant if the Forest of Death were to be accepted being inside Konoha
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Speaking or Tenten… can we talk about “why” Hagoromo felt the need to create his Ninja Tools? Like… what was the purpose?! After Kaguya/Juubi was defeated, he was practically a god to the rest of the world. And outside of his sons, I’m sure that first generation of Chakra weilding Humans were “maybe” Genin Level
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For fun.
 
Does this count as Biological Manipulation? Jūgo fuses with Kabuto's body then removes a piece of it without damaging it or leaving any mark, then fuses the removed piece to Anko.
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Similar to when Jūgo fused and used his own body to heal the damage done to Sasuke's chest from B's Lariat, though it did reduce his size.
 
Antvasima said:
Hello.

My apologies for disturbing, but what do you think about this?

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000003687846#4400000000014012088
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Kurama chakra has never been mentioned as being a speed multiplier. Naruto only increased his speed proportionally to Sasuke's curse mark because Naruto's own Chakra was less compared to his current self. So Kurama chakra would have a greater speed increase on Kid Naruto than Teen Naruto. So we can't really multiply their current FTL calc 10 times to get a higher scaling.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Kurama chakra has never been mentioned as being a speed multiplier. Naruto only increased his speed proportionally to Sasuke's curse mark because Naruto's own Chakra was less compared to his current self. So Kurama chakra would have a greater speed increase on Kid Naruto than Teen Naruto. So we can't really multiply their current FTL calc 10 times to get a higher scaling.
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IIRC Curse Mark isn't even accepted as a Speed Multiplier just an unquantifiable boost
 
Antvasima said:
Hello.

My apologies for disturbing, but what do you think about this?

https://community.fandom.com/wiki/M...eadId=4400000000003687846#4400000000014012088
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even in that scan, Jirobo's transformation is only cited as a 10x power amp, nothing implying or stating it's the same type of multiplier in speed.

and saying that chakra amps all stats equally would be pretty assumptive.

the only quantifiable speed multiplier in verse is the Gate Multipliers and with where we have Guy right now (MHS+ to Sub-Rel) it wouldn't get the Verse out of FTL

there are a few decent ways to possibly bring the Top Tiers into FTL and God Tiers into FTL+ but they haven't been addressed yet by any of the main members in a formal thread yet, mostly because there are just a lot of sections of the verse that need updating before speed.

any speed above FTL+ just isn't possible without an insanely charitable interpretation of statements and multipliers
 
Godernet said:
there are a few decent ways to possibly bring the Top Tiers into FTL and God Tiers into FTL+ but they haven't been addressed yet by any of the main members in a formal thread yet, mostly because there are just a lot of sections of the verse that need updating before speed.
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Actually the next planned part of the verse wide revisions is P2 speed iirc, it's just delayed atm
Godernet said:
any speed above FTL+ just isn't possible without an insanely charitable interpretation of statements and multipliers
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Debatable | Board Game | BoardGameGeek
 
Antvasima said:
Okay. Can somebody elaborate please?
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I did up here
Godernet said:
even in that scan, Jirobo's transformation is only cited as a 10x power amp, nothing implying or stating it's the same type of multiplier in speed.

and saying that chakra amps all stats equally would be pretty assumptive.

the only quantifiable speed multiplier in verse is the Gate Multipliers and with where we have Guy right now (MHS+ to Sub-Rel via calcs) it wouldn't get the Verse out of FTL

there are a few decent ways to possibly bring the Top Tiers into FTL and God Tiers into FTL+ but they haven't been addressed yet by any of the main members in a formal thread yet, mostly because there are just a lot of sections of the verse that need updating before speed.

any speed above FTL+ just isn't possible without an insanely charitable interpretation of statements and multipliers.
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