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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

NeoKingOfLight said:
Does Susanoo have “Limited Matter Manipulation Resistance”? Even though the TSB ate a hole in it, it did Block the spear from going forward to Naruto. Otherwise, it should’ve just went directly through Susanoo without bunching up.

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Minato stated there's a clear sensation tsb creates on contact before it erases.

The erasure is activated immediately after contact, not while tsb is on it's way to the victim. It's why it leaves impact forces on contact - Kishi drew that a lot.

However, note this was an Obito with less juubi control, so the activation time most likely was slower.
 
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Shouldn't all of Shippuden Sasuke's Keys mention Kirin in some capacity? It's not like he lost access to it after using it against Itschi and its still stronger than all of Sasuke's Base Forms, at least the 6-C versions. After all it's calculated to be 11 Gigatons while even EMS Sasuke is only 4.3 Gigatons going by the profile.
 
Kayzz said:
Minato stated there's a clear sensation tsb creates on contact before it erases.

The erasure is activated immediately after contact, not while tsb is on it's way to the victim. It's why it leaves impact forces on contact - Kishi drew that a lot.

However, note this was an Obito with less juubi control, so the activation time most likely was slower.
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Forgot to add. The activation weakness is sidestepped by the fact TSB can stick to the victim after contact, even if the victim uses a space-time technique to run away.

An opponent would need the intel (not everyone has Minato's deduction skills. Even then he lost 2 arms) and clear 70 meters from the TSB user, before the erasure activates.
 
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XSOULOFCINDERX said:
Shouldn't all of Shippuden Sasuke's Keys mention Kirin in some capacity? It's not like he lost access to it after using it against Itschi and its still stronger than all of Sasuke's Base Forms, at least the 6-C versions. After all it's calculated to be 11 Gigatons while even EMS Sasuke is only 4.3 Gigatons going by the profile.
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It's not that he lost it, it's just that you don't always have to mention every single amp the characters have in their keys, obviously every Sasuke in Shippuden and beyond has Kirin, nobody would tell you otherwise even if they're not stated in his keys.
 
BlastX said:
It's not that he lost it, it's just that you don't always have to mention every single amp the characters have in their keys, obviously every Sasuke in Shippuden and beyond has Kirin, nobody would tell you otherwise even if they're not stated in his keys.
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We literally do this for Naruto though.
 
It's redundant. Especially considering Sasuke doesn't use it in future keys. It just clamours his profile unnecessarily.
 
Kayzz said:
Minato stated there's a clear sensation tsb creates on contact before it erases.

The erasure is activated immediately after contact, not while tsb is on it's way to the victim. It's why it leaves impact forces on contact - Kishi drew that a lot.

However, note this was an Obito with less juubi control, so the activation time most likely was slower.
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The sensation is so brief to the point of irrelevancy as it still erases in an instant wherein Instant Teleportation in conjection w/ the fastest Reaction Times in the series (Minato/Tobirama) is needed to abuse that factor. It still no different than Jinton and it would’ve still eaten through Susanoo w/o stopping. I don’t think it’s a factor in this feat, ESPECIALLY because Susanoo was still affected by the Jinton Properties, so the sensation aspect is not even applicable here.

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Edit: “Fastest Reaction Times” relative to normal Shinobi.
 
I agree. If a profile has tabs separating abilities into different keys we don't just list all of the abilities over and over again in each tab. We just take for granted that he has the same abilities as before unless otherwise specified. Likewise we know he can use Kirin from his earlier keys without it being spelt out again and again.
 
Kayzz said:
Minato stated there's a clear sensation tsb creates on contact before it erases.

The erasure is activated immediately after contact, not while tsb is on it's way to the victim. It's why it leaves impact forces on contact - Kishi drew that a lot.

However, note this was an Obito with less juubi control, so the activation time most likely was slower.
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So like doesn't it mean sasuke susanoo had enough durability to stop the force of the tso but then got erased after?
 
karo_senpaii said:
So like doesn't it mean sasuke susanoo had enough durability to stop the force of the tso but then got erased after?
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Problem with that is, the TSB was shown plowing through other objects and getting erased so fast that Hiruzen considered it to be instant from his perspective. Not to mention when you apply context (It was Meant to erase Naruto, whom in KCM is more durable than Sasuke’s Susanoo Ribs), it doesn’t hold up because if the delay was noteworthy, it would just knock Naruto away before getting the chance to erase him. That’s not how it’s portrayed.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
The sensation is so brief to the point of irrelevancy as it still erases in an instant wherein Instant Teleportation in conjection w/ the fastest Reaction Times in the series (Minato/Tobirama) is needed to abuse that factor. It still no different than Jinton and it would’ve still eaten through Susanoo w/o stopping. I don’t think it’s a factor in this feat, ESPECIALLY because Susanoo was still affected by the Jinton Properties, so the sensation aspect is not even applicable here.

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Edit: “Fastest Reaction Times” relative to normal Shinobi.
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The 'erasure activation' is not instant if it leaves visible impact on contact. Near-instant, I can agree. If it was truly instant, It would look like a clean laser-cut with no debris, but it does leave traces of debris. Even when it exploded/expanded, you can see the impact force on the ground and dust debris.

For KCM Naruto, having one of the best reactions at the time, most likely used that brief moment to escape.

The three stages of TSB functionality are
1. Impact - standby mode
2. Erasure - inherent activation mode
3. Nullification - user activation mode
 
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Two Questions:
  1. Do we honor the DB Statement of “Near Light Speed” for V1 Ay and V1 Cloak Killer B when the DB “also” says he has Lightning Fast Taijutsu?
  2. Do we honor the DB stating V1 Ay = Minato Speed (At least Travel).
 
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NeoKingOfLight said:
Two Questions:
  1. Do we honor the DB Statement of “Near Light Speed” for V1 Ay and V1 Cloak Killer B when the DB “also” says he has Lightning Fast Taijutsu?
  2. Do we honor the DB stating V1 Ay = Minato Speed (At least Travel).
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We don't use those statements in our current scaling. But there's a big speed revision coming so who knows.

I'd say Relativistic+ to SoL Ay is valid with that statement.
 
NeoKingOfLight said:
Two Questions:
  1. Do we honor the DB Statement of “Near Light Speed” for V1 Ay and V1 Cloak Killer B when the DB “also” says he has Lightning Fast Taijutsu?
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No because the raws use the kanji for a simile as in "like light speed"
NeoKingOfLight said:
  1. Do we honor the DB stating V1 Ay = Minato Speed (At least Travel).
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No, as it shouldn't. It's most likely about LCM Ay in general and anyways is referring to Jonin Minato without Shunshin, as Shunshin Jonin Minato is Shunshin KCM Naruto level who outsped Ay.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
this is what I was getting at. Why are any multipliers not getting them to FTL+ or MFTL ranges? doesn't dbz and dbs get to crazy levels of MFTL+ like that?
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Because no multiplier has been accepted for speed. Chakra increase isn't proven to have a proportional speed increase. And even if it did, we still wouldn't have enough multipliers to reach MFTL. Naruto as a series doesn't have many outright multiplier statements. Naruto historically has heavily relied on feats for powerscalling. It sorely lacks lore, statements, and multipliers. And after Shippuden and the Last, even the feats have stopped coming. So that is why they're stuck at baseline FTL. And in case you are wondering, the Novel feats cannot be calced.
 
HelloThere1089 said:
Because no multiplier has been accepted for speed. Chakra increase isn't proven to have a proportional speed increase. And even if it did, we still wouldn't have enough multipliers to reach MFTL. Naruto as a series doesn't have many outright multiplier statements. Naruto historically has heavily relied on feats for powerscalling. It sorely lacks lore, statements, and multipliers. And after Shippuden and the Last, even the feats have stopped coming. So that is why they're stuck at baseline FTL. And in case you are wondering, the Novel feats cannot be calced.
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chakra and speed not being proportional? Does this have to do with chakra not accepted as a ues power system anymore or are the given multipliers simply not accepted to apply to speed? seems kinda weird considering dbz gets to sextillions or above with basic multipliers
 
It's never shown to be proportional, UES or not, plus again, there's only scaling chains after that feat with rarely any multiplier or anything of the sort.
 
Ryzen7900X said:
chakra and speed not being proportional? Does this have to do with chakra not accepted as a ues power system anymore
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No. Even without UES, chakra increase has never been outright stated to increase speed proportionally.
Ryzen7900X said:
or are the given multipliers simply not accepted to apply to speed?
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Yes. And even if they were, we wouldn't get to MFTL.
Ryzen7900X said:
seems kinda weird considering dbz gets to sextillions or above with basic multipliers
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Not really when you consider that dbz isn't Naruto. Different power systems are defined differently.
 
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