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That was a comedy scene, kind of like how Sakura beats Naruto. It shouldn't be taken seriously as a feat.
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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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It wasn’t a “scene” though. We never actually saw it, we just get told that it happened, it’s not meant to be comedic like with Sakura and Naruto.
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I’d personally consider the Sannin as all roughly comparable in base, maybe with Tsunade as the strongest, followed Orochimaru and then Jiraiya.
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I can agree with that I mean we do have the databook that states Orochimaru and Jiraiya are on par with each other and at that point sage mode nor Orochimaru’s 8 headed snake weren’t introduced so I would assume that the databook is referring to their base forms
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It was supposed to be comedic since Jiraiya was peaking on girls. Also Base Tsunade lost to Kabuto, who is weaker than base Orochimaru, in fact Base Tsunade was only on par with drugged Jiraiya and sick armless Orochimaru. Kabuto is also on par with part 1 Kakashi who considers himself inferior to base Jiraiya. Based on feats Base Orochimaru is stronger than Base Jiraiya since Jiraiya got stomped by 4 tailed kid Naruto, and Orochimaru was fighting on par with an older 4 tailed Naruto while being sick and having no arms.
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That doesn’t make the nature of it comedic. In fact, Naruto was told that story as a warning, which is definitely serious and not comedic. You do realize that Tsunade being beneath base Kabuto would put her beneath Part I Kakashi, right? Also Orochimaru said that Tsunade can one-shot Kabuto, she was already running out of breath before she fought Kabuto, Kabuto used a Military Rations Pill to amp himself, and he immediately disabled Tsunade’s muscles so she was weakened. So... no. Kabuto is not above Tsunade.
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orochimaru = jiraya, simply because we have conflicting opinions. hiruzen favored orochimaru, but that is unreliable, since he favored him in a sense even after he knew about orochi was doing, while the databook confirms that jiraya > him, so its better to have them as equals
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I am not saying that Tsunade is weaker than Kabuto, I am just saying that Kabuto, part 1 Kakashi and Base Tsunade are all relative to each other, while Jiraiya and Orochimaru are portrayed above that. Jiraiya stated that Kabuto is relative to Kakashi, and Kakashi himself admited that. Meanwhile when Kakashi faced Orochimaru he was ******** himself and though that Orochimaru was gonna stomp him in 2 seconds.
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I literally just gave the scans proving that Kabuto is not relative to Tsunade, and is far weaker than her, what?
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Hell, Kabuto himself admitted that Tsunade could one-shot him.
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I mean it is kinda weird because correct me if I’m wrong but wasn’t there that Statement from tsunade saying how kabuto’s senses and strength surpassed he’s in her prime or something similar to that
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Ohhh ok thanks ignore what I said then lol i kinda figured the translation was off
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Thats only because she was above him in terms of raw AP. I wasn't talking about AP, I was talking about overall strength.
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You’re still not correct lol, Kabuto, while amped, was getting matched by a out-of-her-prime, weakened and fatigued Tsunade. He’s not comparable to her at all. Tsunade’s comparable with Orochimaru and Jiraiya, arguably stronger.
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After Sasuke said "Naruto and I would die for this village, would you?" and how Sasuke told Boruto he'd kill him if Boruto's karma went out of control, I feel like there's a chance Naruto cans it. At the same time I have a hard time believing they'd kill off the two og main characters, but who knows.
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It would definitely be a bold move to kill them both, but yeah, it seems like it’s being foreshadowed with Sasuke making that statement. And it seems like we’re getting closer to a timeskip, which I’m really looking forward to. Especially (if Naruto and/or Sasuke do die here), that means Sarada’s definitely gonna get her Mangekyō.
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Honestly it would be a great way to push the focus onto the main cast of Boruto and force team 7 to develop, and if they're so opposed to keeping Naruto and Sasuke dead they can show up again as Edos or Sarada can snag sasukes Rinnesharingan and use Rinne-rebirth later.
How much longer do you think the Boruto manga will last?
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Oh, imagine Edo Sasuke and Naruto v. Teen/Adult Boruto and Sarada, that would be awesome.
I feel like it won’t run as long as the original Naruto manga, although I’m sure it’ll reach above 100 chapters.
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That would be awesome hahaha
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Lol. Base Kabuto is stronger than Tsunade, Kabuto never on par with Tsunade in physical strength nor do Kakashi is. Base Tsunade dominates full power A4 in an arm wrestling. Even while using Lightning Armour, A4 lost to base Tsunade in physical strength, only surpasses her in speed. Kabuto beat Tsunade is an outlier or for some reason, she lost to him. unless you are saying base Kabuto is physically stronger than A4.
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She was not only mentally handicapped, but:
- She was rusty and out of practice since the Second Shinobi World War.
- She was starting to run out of breath before the fight began.
- She had her muscles severed and strength nullified.
- Kabuto amped himself with a Military Rations Pill.
- Orochimaru blatantly said that Tsunade can one-shot him, and Kabuto himself agrees.
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Yeah. Those are all valid points for why we shouldn't be scaling Kabuto to Tsunade.
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Is Deva Path even that strong in hand-to-hand combat?
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When was this?
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Maybe Tsunade should have more than one “base” key like Orochimaru? Like, one key for the Second Shinobi World War, one for her weakened self, and then one for her as the Hokage.
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Actually he just blocks a kick but gets sent flying, the extra punches were added in the anime. So Base Naruto physically scales to whatever Deva path scales to. Go to chapter 433 and read it, then tell me what you think.
