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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread
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Sage Mode shouldn't be treated as a 10x multiplier. Just because Curse Mark is 10x doesn't mean that SM is. Its never stated that it is. In fact I think that its much less than 10x since Base Naruto isn't massively weaker than SM Naruto. He was able to fight against Pain both in base and in SM twice (pre and post Chibaku Tensei). So I think that Base Naruto should have the same rating as SM Naruto. I think its consistent with Base Naruto defeating Kakuzu and Kakashi stating that Naruto surpassed him at that moment and that his FRS is stronger than Minato.
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This tells me that you didn’t read the thread where SM was accepted as a 10x multiplier. Go read that, because it clearly explains why Sage Mode > Curse Mark.
Also Pain is more than likely going to have a Varies tier, his low-end would be Naruto/Kakashi level while his high-end would be SM level.
Also Pain is more than likely going to have a Varies tier, his low-end would be Naruto/Kakashi level while his high-end would be SM level.
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Naruto won't scale to Full power Pain for swapping hands momentarily with a casual weakened Pain.
And Sage Mode is unquestionably a big power boost, we've seen that countless times.
Finally, Jiraiya's Sage Mode does have a 10x statement, I just forgot to add it to my CRT lol.
And Sage Mode is unquestionably a big power boost, we've seen that countless times.
Finally, Jiraiya's Sage Mode does have a 10x statement, I just forgot to add it to my CRT lol.
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Also even Boruto supports Sage Mode being at least 10x. SM Kashin Koji was created for the purpose of killing Jigen, but base Kashin Koji was able to swap hands with a Jigen that was weakened to less than 10%.
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Casual weeakened Pain that also defeated SM Naruto?
If you could find that scan it would be great.
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With his abilities, which he did not have at the time. Context matters.
Even if base Naruto scales here, he'd only scale to the Deva Path's striking strength, which has zero feats. He wouldn't scale to his AP with Shinra Tensei or his durability.
Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet (火遁・大炎弾, Katon: Daiendan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Jiraiya
Released is a huge projectile of wondrous flames
Completely burning Heaven and Earth, there is no escape
The mouth cavity is filled with oil, created inside the body with senjutsu chakra. This oil is then spit out and at the same time ignited with the Fire Release Technique¹!! This creates a giant flame, equivalent to ten-odd "Flame Bullets"². This flame will completely cut off the front escape route of an enemy cornered in a hallway or room, or it can thoroughly burn each respective escape route.
[picture of Jiraiya gathering oil in his mouth]
→"Sennin-mode" Jiraiya's mouth is swollen out and filled with the toad oil created inside.
↓Just a single shot releases a giant flame bullet, filling up the pathway...!!
[picture of Jiraiya using the Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet]
¹ Fire Release Technique (火遁の術, Katon no Jutsu).
² Fire Release: Flame Bullet (火遁・炎弾, Katon: Endan)
Ninjutsu, Senjutsu, B-rank, Offensive, Short to mid-range (0-10m)
User: Jiraiya
Released is a huge projectile of wondrous flames
Completely burning Heaven and Earth, there is no escape
The mouth cavity is filled with oil, created inside the body with senjutsu chakra. This oil is then spit out and at the same time ignited with the Fire Release Technique¹!! This creates a giant flame, equivalent to ten-odd "Flame Bullets"². This flame will completely cut off the front escape route of an enemy cornered in a hallway or room, or it can thoroughly burn each respective escape route.
[picture of Jiraiya gathering oil in his mouth]
→"Sennin-mode" Jiraiya's mouth is swollen out and filled with the toad oil created inside.
↓Just a single shot releases a giant flame bullet, filling up the pathway...!!
[picture of Jiraiya using the Fire Release: Big Flame Bullet]
¹ Fire Release Technique (火遁の術, Katon no Jutsu).
² Fire Release: Flame Bullet (火遁・炎弾, Katon: Endan)
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Talking during fights is considered a free action (for exposition and drama) and is not indicative of speed or time during fights, but yeah Himawari's OP in gag scenes.
Kawaki intercepting the beam (and Boruto tanking Delta's punch) is widely considered an outlier, but depending on how Boruto/Kawaki perform in the current manga arc this might change.
Kawaki intercepting the beam (and Boruto tanking Delta's punch) is widely considered an outlier, but depending on how Boruto/Kawaki perform in the current manga arc this might change.
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I had no idea this was a thing, thanks mate
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a sage mode technique is equal to 10x a technique from his base form
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Don't mention it!
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They use perfect susanno
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Ok since now SM is accepted as a 10x multiplier we can get an AP rating for base Naruto by dividing SM Narutos AP by 10. Now I know that some of you have a problem with that since the multiplier is at least 10x so Base Naruto could be weaker than 10x, but we can just word it like this: "At most (SM/10) since SM is at least 10x multiplier".
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Basically Shippuden CRTs
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This?
Change to: At most Moutain level (Stronger than before), Large Mountain level with Sage Mode (His Rasenshuriken is this strong. Fought and matched the Six Paths of Pain)?
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As I keep saying when it comes to Shippuden Scaling CRTs
The_Alxhemist
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Pre Fruit is filler tho.
From the Naruto shippuden Manga, we know Kaguya's power came from the Juubi
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Based on?
The_Alxhemist
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Two things
- There was no sacrifice to plant a God tree
- The murals clearly depict the Kaguya that came to Earth sporting a Rinne Sharingan
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Oh I thought you said it was canon, my bad Alxhemist
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Facts episode disappointed me
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Pre fruit is not filler and Kaguya's powers come from the chakra fruit/s + the god tree. Boruto simply adds more to the Naruto lore.
- Kaguya with no rinnesharingan on a random planet with Momoshiki and Kinshiki.
- Kaguya on a random planet surrounded by four god trees.
- Kaguya comes to Earth with a rinnesharingan, meaning she has already eaten a fruit after 2.
- One of Amado's beliefs regarding Kaguya's betrayal is that she may have wanted the Earth's fruit herself, meaning the tree was already planted with a panel showing a god tree.
- The Naruto manga tells us she ate the fruit.
- Hagromo's conversation with Naruto and Sasuke literally references the events of the Hagoromo/Hamura filler, with him talking both about Earth's god tree and a new fruit.
- Zetsu states the Earth's ten tails is a combination of the god tree and Kaguya (and mentions it's fruit), so it is not like a regular pre planted ten tails (since the Earth's one was already been planted and turned into a tree before). Amado confirms this difference.
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Not confirmed by author statement to be canon.
Not canon.
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Really? I thought it was better since the anime clearly established the difference in power between Naruto and Delta, while in the manga Naruto was panting after their H2H. The major problem for me was the slow animation.
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What's not canon?
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Pre fruit filler
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It felt the opposite for me. Looked like Delta was whooping him.
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I didn't say the pre fruit anime arc was canon, just that Hagoromo's manga statements references to the arc e.g like him finding out about the people trapped by the roots.
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I was watching the Boruto anime yesterday and I noticed a statement Kawaki made.
He mentions that if he was at full power he could easily wipe out a town.
We also know that this would be in base because he doesn't count the Karma as his own power.
Is this enough to make his base town level and higher with Karma?
He mentions that if he was at full power he could easily wipe out a town.
We also know that this would be in base because he doesn't count the Karma as his own power.
Is this enough to make his base town level and higher with Karma?
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Any other Context to what he meant? Did he mean he could destroy an entire area of a town in one attack or overtime?
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Sadly it was only that passing statement I've shown.
I'll try to catch up to see if there's anymore
The_Alxhemist
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Whatever happened to the Sub Rel rating Konohamaru had?
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The calc is incorrect, so it was removed. Someone should probably redo it at some point.
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A few other people also want SoL Haku, so go for it.
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I'm unfamiliar with regen tiers but would Jigen thinking it'll be difficult to kill base Naruto because of Kurama be considered mid regen? He can easily pierce SPSM Naruto so putting a couple of black receivers through base Naruto's head would have been easy.
