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I don't understand this. So let me get this straight. Kinshiki and base Momo are meant to be>Toneri both in narrative and feats and he has no hax at all(esp Kinshiki). Darui is supposed to scale to to them. So if all these you said regarding Toneri vs Darui holds true, doesn't that apply to Toneri vs Kinshiki? Are we going to say Toneri also outhaxes Kinshiki who has no hax?There's no quantifiably relevant speed difference between the God Tiers until you get to people like V2 Jigen, so no, it won't matter here. Especially not when Toneri has an amped Byakugan and Six Paths Senjutsu to clear any speed difference there may be. All my man has to do is TSO these fodder to death, or green orb them to death, or Telekinesis them to death, etc etc.
Do I need to explain to you how hax works? Yes, if Kinshiki gets hit with a TSO or an intangible chakra-sucking orb, he'll get negged, because none of these abilities have anything to do with the character's durability or stats in general. That's what makes hax what it is.I don't understand this. So let me get this straight. Kinshiki and base Momo are meant to be>Toneri both in narrative and feats and he has no hax at all(esp Kinshiki). Darui is supposed to scale to to them. So if all these you said regarding Toneri vs Darui holds true, doesn't that apply to Toneri vs Kinshiki? Are we going to say Toneri also outhaxes Kinshiki who has no hax?
So you are saying Kinshiki loses to Toneri despite his profile implying otherwise? Do I have to point out the contradiction?Do I need to explain to you how hax works? Yes, if Kinshiki gets hit with a TSO or an intangible chakra-sucking orb, he'll get negged, because none of these abilities have anything to do with the character's durability or stats in general. That's what makes hax what it is.
I'm saying that this isn't DBZ, brother. I'm saying that you should read the hax page. I'm also saying you should stop coping.So you are saying Kinshiki loses to Toneri despite his profile implying otherwise? Do I have to point out the contradiction?
According to you;
Kinshiki has higher AP and Speed. Yet he loses to Toneri cuz of hax.
Darui scales to Kinshiki yet he loses to Toneri because of hax.
But the series literally implies Kinshiki>Kaguya>Toneri. So what are you saying here?
In physical strength yesBut the series literally implies Kinshiki>Kaguya>Toneri. So what are you saying here?
A character CAN. Yes, but this is vsbw. We take the most likely scenario. I don't care who has more hax or not. All I want to know is, if we were to do a vs battle between Kinshiki and Toneri rn, who would you pick as the victor? If you pick Toneri as the winner, then you are going against the lore that puts Kinshiki above Toneri.I'm saying that this isn't DBZ, brother. I'm saying that you should read the hax page. I'm also saying you should stop coping.
Like, yes, a character can defeat a stronger one through their abilities. Not really a revelation.
1) Yes, I'd absolutely vote for Toneri. He ***** on Kinshiki in terms of hax. Not even close. Likewise, I'd vote for Kaguya, Madara, and a lot of other "weaker" characters due to their vastly superior arsenals.A character CAN. Yes, but this is vsbw. We take the most likely scenario. I don't care who has more hax or not. All I want to know is, if we were to do a vs battle between Kinshiki and Tonrri rn, who would you pick as the victor? If you pick Toneri as the winner, then you are going against the lore that puts Kinshiki above Toneri.
He can "hang with" Toneri for sure. However, he only DOWNSCALES off Kinshiki. Fights aren't all about raw power anyway.And if you pick Kinshiki who has no hax as the winner, then you are also admitting that Darui can hang with or defeat Toneri since he scales to Kinshiki and base Momo.
Ah, good old Boruto Ball SuperKinshiki is physically stronger than Toneri that means he must win
Kinshiki who was able to push Sasuke till the point Sasuke had to use ameno to escape from Kinshiki slicing off his head and also made him retreat in their short fight despite Sasuke possessing much better hax would somehow lose to Toneri who got embarrassed by BSM Naruto in the last? You are overestimating hax here. Kinshiki isn't just physically stronger, but he's faster and has better AP.1) Yes, I'd absolutely vote for Toneri. He ***** on Kinshiki in terms of hax. Not even close. Likewise, I'd vote for Kaguya, Madara, and a lot of other "weaker" characters due to their vastly superior arsenals.
2) The "lore" does not specify why or how Momoshiki and Kinshiki are considered threats to the likes of Kaguya. It could be due to a million reasons. We take it as AP because this is a goon battle boarding site and we take everything to mean AP because it's simple and convenient. But there's really nothing that says these "weaker" characters cannot compete or that their abilities would be ineffective due to the unquantifiable power gap. Power gaps on their own have NEVER neutralized hax in Naruto. Again, this is not Dragon Ball.
I never said thatKinshiki is physically stronger than Toneri that means he must win has to be some of the dumbest shit I’ve heard in this chat in a while. Naruto YouTuber level statement ong
Kinshiki probably beats both imo, but idk how he does against TSBs.Kinshiki who was able to push Sasuke till the point Sasuke had to use ameno to escape from Kinshiki slicing off his head and also made him retreat in their short fight despite Sasuke possessing much better hax would somehow lose to Toneri who got embarrassed by BSM Naruto in the last? You are overestimating hax here. Kinshiki isn't just physically stronger, but he's faster and has better AP.
Okay, MinatoSparkle_Cross
Ok,, let me fully explain everything once again since it seems ppl don't get me.He can "hang with" Toneri for sure. However, he only DOWNSCALES off Kinshiki. Fights aren't all about raw power anyway.
This means you also realize the contradiction. You chose the convenient route and concluded that Kin and Momo>all other Otsutsukis that aren't Isshiki and Shibai based on the lore but for some reason, we are being adamant on Toneri's hax despite the fact he lost to a weaker opponent(the last nard) while Kinshiki almost won against a far stronger opponent.We take it as AP because this is a goon battle boarding site and we take everything to mean AP because it's simple and convenient.
Why are Naruto supporters such sussy femboys.
Kaguya's hax negs Toneri's, but MomoKin still fearhax herOkay, MinatoSparkle
He does beat both. Feat and narrative already proves that. That fraud, Darui has no reason to even be in this convo.Kinshiki probably beats both imo, but idk how he does against TSBs.
being stronger doesnt mean cant be defeated.So you are saying Kinshiki loses to Toneri despite his profile implying otherwise? Do I have to point out the contradiction?
According to you;
Kinshiki has higher AP and Speed. Yet he loses to Toneri cuz of hax.
Darui scales to Kinshiki yet he loses to Toneri because of hax.
But the series literally implies Kinshiki>Kaguya>Toneri. So what are you saying here?
Whatever you say, JeffKaguya's hax negs Toneri's, but MomoKin still fearhax her
Darui is just that guy. Keep coping.That fraud, Darui has no reason to even be in this convo.
Kaguya lost cuz she's too braindead and too horny.being stronger doesnt mean cant be defeated.
Kaguya is objectively above everyone in shippuden but lost to team 7.
Shut upDarui is just that guy. Keep coping.
Shut up
Shut up ~
This is why you're losing this argument.Kaguya lost cuz she's too braindead and too horny.
Whatever you say, Jeff