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Does SPSM use nature energy? I forgor.Can't use two sage modes, the multipliers wouldn't stack
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Does SPSM use nature energy? I forgor.Can't use two sage modes, the multipliers wouldn't stack
It uses Six Paths chakra, which is similar to Senjutsu chakra used by Sage Mode in many ways, but it's different in that it's internally acquired, rather than absorbed externally from the surrounding nature.Does SPSM use nature energy? I forgor.
Then it should be able to be stacked with SM since source of energy for the two are different. Just because it has sage mode in its name doesn't mean there can only be one SM at a time. Unless this was stated somewhere.It uses Six Paths chakra, which is similar to Senjutsu chakra used by Sage Mode in many ways, but it's different in that it's internally acquired, rather than absorbed externally from the surrounding nature.
I mean, yeah, this already happened. That's what Naruto did with the Asura Avatar. Why he never did that kinda thing again is a combination of PIS and probably the writer (whoever that may be at this point) forgetting a lot of what Naruto and Sasuke can do, or just not caring.Then it should be able to be stacked with SM since source of energy for the two are different. Just because it has sage mode in its name doesn't mean there can only be one SM at a time. Unless this was stated somewhere.
I have had this question for a long time: Do we have any text confirmation that adult Naruto uses SPSM, or is it all implications and visual representations?I mean, yeah, this already happened. That's what Naruto did with the Asura Avatar. Why he never did that kinda thing again is a combination of PIS and probably the writer (whoever that may be at this point) forgetting a lot of what Naruto and Sasuke can do, or just not caring.
yeah before naruto uses baryon mode he references six paths Sage modeI have had this question for a long time: Do we have any text confirmation that adult Naruto uses SPSM, or is it all implications and visual representations?
Definitely the latter. It comes down to him not having his classic Sage Mode orange pigmentation around his eyes, and the anime showing us this. Some people also use the fact that he can still perform Lava Style RS as support, but I think that's weak sauce since that's more so reliant on him having the Bijuu's chakra inside him and being their hub, which means he can just borrow their chakra whenever. It has nothing to do with SPSM, inherently.I have had this question for a long time: Do we have any text confirmation that adult Naruto uses SPSM, or is it all implications and visual representations?
Yeah, but that unfortunately falls under implication rather than a blatant statement like "you know that confusing yellow & black mode I've been running around in? That's SPSM KCM." At least we know Naruto hasn't forgotten that he had a mode called SPSM. I've been in so many exhausting debates that claim Nard is weaker because he has "lost SPSM". Even though it usually is a strawman.yeah before naruto uses baryon mode he references six paths Sage mode
Also these shapes on his upper chestIt comes down to him not having his classic Sage Mode orange pigmentation around his eyes, and the anime showing us this.
This is true. Toneri should've gotten an arc in Boruto. The whole "the last movie" could've been so much fleshed out. Also they completely ditched Tenseigan after that and now byakugan is back to being the punching bag of the franchise.It's not just Naruto's forms, but also a lot of story stuff too that needed to be changed because while it worked for the standalone movie, it just didn't mesh well with what the manga/anime would later go on and do.
Yeah, mb.
Whether or not Naruto has SPSM doesn't matter for the argument he got stronger. If you're getting trapped by "hE dOeSnT hAvE sPsM" then I'd reckon youre barking up the wrong tree.Yeah, but that unfortunately falls under implication rather than a blatant statement like "you know that confusing yellow & black mode I've been running around in? That's SPSM KCM." At least we know Naruto hasn't forgotten that he had a mode called SPSM. I've been in so many exhausting debates that claim Nard is weaker because he has "lost SPSM". Even though it usually is a strawman.
Yup, that's the argument I use. But some fans will not budge from the "he lost SPSM" point, even though that ends up being a strawman since I never even use that justification. It is what it is.Whether or not Naruto has SPSM doesn't matter for the argument he got stronger. If you're getting trapped by "hE dOeSnT hAvE sPsM" then I'd reckon youre barking up the wrong tree.
Teen Naruto < Kaguya < Fused Momo < Adult Naruto -> Teen Naruto < Adult Naruto
Bloodlusted be like:But hey, we'll always have Teen Naruto to use in matches, since all of his best stuff is in character for him, and he was just really great at creatively using his kit. He'll actually be rather nice once we're done revising him.
True, true, but Teen Naruto will always have the TSOs over his Adult self, which is massive in vs matches.Bloodlusted be like:
True, true, but Teen Naruto will always have the TSOs over his Adult self, which is massive in vs matches.
Teen Naruto be likeTrue, true, but Teen Naruto will always have the TSOs over his Adult self, which is massive in vs matches.
The problem was that the people he was facing once he got the TSOs were immune to their effects, so they just did **** all for him. I guess he could've maybe shaped them more creatively, but let's be real, that wouldn't have done anything against Madara or Kaguya.Icl the way Naruto used his TSOs was kinda ass other than that one Kaguya strat
Indeed. SPC is very similar to Senjutsu chakra in many ways, but with extra perks and different methods of acquirement.I find it interesting that Sasuke's Susanoo Arrows just neutralized them. Ig you don't need senjutsu to counter TSOs if you have SPC
It's kinda like how Sage Mode is about being in tune with nature, but Otsutsuki power is about destroying it.Kinda weird how Urashiki said his clan didn't have powers like Mitsuki
Soul haxorMacro-QuantumDeconstruction.
Well you see, I know this has been brought up before, but Base Naruto and SPSM Naruto both access the same SPC, no? Which is why SPSM isn’t terribly above “Base Naruto”.That doesn't work because SM is multiplicative. Ashura Avatar is much stronger than SPSM cause it's SPSM x SM, not SPSM + SM. If Current Naruto uses it, it'd just be Base x SM, and Base x SPSM>>that. Naruto wouldn't have used SPSM in all his major fights if SM Naruto was stronger, and there are also just statements about KA being his full power.
Arguable, but unprovable either way.Well you see, I know this has been brought up before, but Base Naruto and SPSM Naruto both access the same SPC, no? Which is why SPSM isn’t terribly above “Base Naruto”.
wdymI understand that view point you’re saying, but doesn’t that then ignore Base Naruto’s feats, in regard's to SPSM, AS WELL AS SM Multiplier?
Base naruto went from being absolutely stomped by base jigen to keeping up with v1 jigen. There is definitely a significant power ampWell you see, I know this has been brought up before, but Base Naruto and SPSM Naruto both access the same SPC, no? Which is why SPSM isn’t terribly above “Base Naruto”.
I understand that view point you’re saying, but doesn’t that then ignore Base Naruto’s feats, in regard's to SPSM, AS WELL AS SM Multiplier?
Base Naruto’s feats are within 10x SPSM, right? SPSM is not 10x Base Naruto or higher iirc, not even close to that. Which would mean SM multiplier would put Naruto above his SPSM.Arguable, but unprovable either way.
wdym
Base Naruto got hit by one kick and some rods. It wasn’t a fight, much less anything you use to suggest “he was stomped”. He was being snarky w/ Kurama literally right after.Base naruto went from being absolutely stomped by base jigen to keeping up with v1 jigen. There is definitely a significant power amp
Uhhm did we watch same thing? Naruto tried to punch him and bro got blitzed. Watch the fight with v1 jigen. The first kick jigen landed on naruto he blocked it. His Base couldn't even block a Base jigen kick.Base Naruto got hit by one kick and some rods. It wasn’t a fight, much less anything you use to suggest “he was stomped”. He was being snarky w/ Kurama literally right after.
A single kick (And there was only one iirc, not two), which doesn’t do any major or lasting damage is not a stomp, no matter how you try to spin it. And the rods AP / Speed isn’t affected by “Karma”. It’s affected by Daikokuten, which is the same in Base as it is in Karma forms. Even SPSM had trouble with it, and Base Naruto scales to Sasuke who had no problem “pulling them out”.Uhhm did we watch same thing? Naruto tried to punch him and bro got blitzed. Watch the fight with v1 jigen. The first kick jigen landed on naruto he blocked it. His Base couldn't even block a Base jigen kick.
You can argue it but nothing quantitiably proves it.Base Naruto’s feats are within 10x SPSM, right? SPSM is not 10x Base Naruto or higher iirc, not even close to that. Which would mean SM multiplier would put Naruto above his SPSM.
That'd be my line of thinking.But in order for this “Not” to be the case, we have to ignore Base Naruto’s feats putting him sub-10x SPSM and deny him the multiplier.
Or is SPSM => a 10x amp despite feats?
It's unprovable that Base Naruto uses Six Paths chakra afaikAlso, wdym by “Unprovable”?
Sasuke scales to SPSM NarutoA single kick (And there was only one iirc, not two), which doesn’t do any major or lasting damage is not a stomp, no matter how you try to spin it. And the rods AP / Speed isn’t affected by “Karma”. It’s affected by Daikokuten, which is the same in Base as it is in Karma forms. Even SPSM had trouble with it, and Base Naruto scales to Sasuke who had no problem “pulling them out”.
You are making major leaps in your argument that isn’t supported. Naruto was “inconvenienced” by the rods, it wasn’t a “Two Shot”.