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Naruto to Boruto Discussion Thread

What will change with Naruto scaling if we accept Sage Mode to have an at least 10x AP multiplier?

Hypothetical.
SM and KCM: 10x
BSM: 100x

Pain Arc SM Naruto might get a High 7-A+ with a 6-C Rasenshuriken. KN4 is higher, obviously. FKS Sasuke with Susano'o likely scales to the Rasenshuriken.
War Arc SM Naruto would have the same rating as Pain Arc SM Naruto, but with an "At Least" and "likely higher" tagged on to it. KCM Naruto doesn't change much. BSM Naruto would be High 6-C with Low 6-B Kurama Avatar and Rasenshuriken. 6-B with Fully Charged Bijuu Bomb.

Post-Hagoromo Naruto is where things will get doozy.

We do know that SPSM is better than SM, possibly better than BSM. BSM being an at least 100x AP multiplier since 10x KCM2 = BSM > KCM2 > KCM1 > SM > CS2 > 10x. But then Naruto stacks KCM2 on top of SPSM, another 10x multiplier, so that's either a 100x multiplier, or 1000x multiplier.

SPSM: At least 10x, likely 100x.
SPSM KCM: At least 100x, likely 1000x.

Using the current God Tier scaling, One Rinnegan Madara is half Hagoromo Moon Calc (Low 5-B+) and he's 39.1 ZT, SPSM Naruto crushed him. Naruto then stacks KCM2 on top, an at least 10x Amp. So now SPSM KCM2 Naruto is 391 Zettatons. Scales to Double Rinnegan Madara and Rinnegan Sasuke. Kaguya scales far above this.

Then we get to Boruto. And oh boy. Sasuke either scales above his younger self, which means he's 391 Zettatons. Or he scales to Kinshiki who scales to Kaguya, who is also 391 Zettatons. This same Kinshiki then gets clowned on by Chojuro and Kurotsuchi. So those two are also 391 Zettatons. Base 50% Naruto is stronger than those two. Fused Momoshiki clowned on everyone until Naruto enters SPSM KCM. This Naruto, is going to be either 39.1 YT or 391 YT. By this point he's 5-A. Fused Momoshiki scales to this. And somehow EMS Sasuke also scales to this. Also, since this Naruto is only at 50% power his final tally will be 78.1 YT or 781 YT.

Moving on to Kawaki Arc. Karma Jigen scales above Naruto which means he's 78.1 YT or 781 YT. Partial Otsutsuki Form Jigen is 10x that so now he's either 781 YT or 7.81 RT. Really close to 5-A+ for the latter. Isshiki and Baryon Mode Naruto scales vastly above that so I guess they should just become straight up "Baseline" 5-A+ if the latter value is accepted

There's a few glaring inconsistencies with all these multipliers though, so that's probably why SM being 10x isn't going to be accepted anytime soon.
 
Making a few leaps of logic I could wank these characters even higher by saying that Hagoromo power up Naruto has Low 5-B+ Base Form via saying he received half of Hagoromo's power. So Base Naruto is 39.1 ZT. Using the 1000x multiplier. SPSM KCM ramps that up to 39.1 RT. Instant High 5-A. Kaguya scales above this.

Kinshiki and Momoshiki are 39.1 RT. Base Naruto scales to this. Fused Momo clowned on everyone until Naruto enters SPSM KCM. Applying the 1000x multiplier again. He's now uh, 39.1 QT (Low 4-C). 2x that for full power SPSM KCM Naruto. He's now 78.2 QT. 10x that for Jigen. 782 QT, now he's High 4-C. Bruh.

Jigen vs Perfect Cell lmao let's goo.
 
Padaruyos said:
We do know that SPSM is better than SM, possibly better than BSM. BSM being an at least 100x AP multiplier since 10x KCM2 = BSM > KCM2 > KCM1 > SM > CS2 > 10x. But then Naruto stacks KCM2 on top of SPSM, another 10x multiplier, so that's either a 100x multiplier, or 1000x multiplier.

SPSM: At least 10x, likely 100x.
SPSM KCM: At least 100x, likely 1000x.
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That's not how it works here chief
A more powerful mode doesn't necessarily need to be a multiplier

I can understand the reasoning for the sage mode own as the mechanics behind the mode itself is similar to curse mark (nature energy)

KCM or whatever bijuu mode after is just offside
 
Testarossa002 said:
That's not how it works here chief
A more powerful mode doesn't necessarily need to be a multiplier

I can understand the reasoning for the sage mode own as the mechanics behind the mode itself is similar to curse mark (nature energy)

KCM or whatever bijuu mode after is just offside
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(KCM is a multiplier tho ngl, tis why KCM Minato's BSM Naruto level)
 
You know it's funny you say that cause KCM being a multiplier rather than a linear boost actually hurts Minato 💀 If it was just addition, that'd mean BSM Naruto - KCM2 Naruto = Base Minato, or in other words Base Minato's more than 9x stronger than KCM2 Naruto. I would not mind that at all, but ik it's not true cause I'm not THAT much of a fanboy.
 
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If we somehow managed to get the 10x SM multiplier accepted, I think this would be the least controversial way of upgrading the cast.

If we're using the same feats (Hagoromo moon calc) with the 10x SM multiplier. A more reasonable estimate would be treating SPSM as unquantifiably superior to SM and KCM as an unquantifiable increase.
SM: 10x
KCM (Post Hagoromo): Unquantifiable
SPSM: At least 10x
SPSM + KCM: At least 10x + Unquantifiable

We don't know how strong post-Hagoromo base Naruto is, so we stick with the current scaling. So we get basically the same as what we currently use for scaling God Tier Shippuden.
Base Naruto: Unknown
SPSM Naruto: Low 5-B+ (At least 39.1 ZT) (Crushed One Eye Juubidara)
SPSM KCM Naruto: 5-B (79.2 ZT) (scales to Two Eye Juubidara)

God Tier Shippuden (exactly the same)
50% Hagoromo (39.1 ZT) < Pre Shinju One Rinnegan Juubidara < SPSM Naruto < 100% Hagoromo (79.2 ZT) = Dual Rinnegan Juubidara = SPSM KCM Naruto = Rinnegan Sasuke < Kaguya

The real change when applying the 10x multiplier from SM comes in Boruto. Adult Sasuke can simply scale above his teenage self or Kinshiki can scale to Kaguya. Either way, we start with 79.2 ZT. Fused Momoshiki and 50% SPSM KCM Naruto would scale to at least 10x 50% Base Naruto who is superior to Chojuro, Darui, and Kurotsuchi, and those three are relative to Kinshiki. Momo's fusion being a 10x Amp also isn't unreasonable since fusion in fiction often shows increase beyond 2x anyway. The only inconsistency here is Base Naruto holding up against Fused Momoshiki, but you can simply say Momo was suppressed or not really serious during it.

(79.2 ZT) Kinshiki = 3T Sasuke = Momoshiki = Chojuro, Darui, Kurotsuchi < 50% Base Naruto < Gaara's sand < 50% SPSM KCM Naruto (At least 10x Base Naruto, At Least 792 ZT) = Fused Momoshiki = EMS Sasuke < 100% SPSM KCM Naruto (Naruto had half his Chakra drained during that entire fight, so at full power he's 1.584 YT).

Base Naruto: 158.4 ZT (5-B)
SPSM KCM Naruto: 1.584 YT (5-B+)
EMS Sasuke: At least 79.2 ZT, At most 1.584 YT (at best he's that high since he's supposed to be Naruto's equal, but his feats aren't quite as impressive.)

Moving on to Jigen Arc.
Partial Otsutsuki Jigen stomped SPSM KCM Naruto. That Jigen who is at 10% is relative to Kashin Koji, who is confident that he can beat Delta, who is relative to SPSM KCM Naruto. The scaling remains the same, only the numbers change.

SPSM KCM Naruto (1.584 YT) = Delta = Kashin Koji < 10% Partial Otsutsuki Jigen < 100% Partial Otsutsuki Jigen (10x superior obviously, 15.84 YT, 5-A.) < Isshiki < Baryon Mode Naruto.

What do you guys think?
 
Any issues with that? I'll try making it as reasonable as possible if we ever get that 10x SM multiplier accepted again.
 
Do we have any statements about Naruto being the strongest in the Leaf or anything of that sort during Pain Arc?
 
If there's a concrete statement about saying Naruto is the strongest in Konoha you might be able to pull a cheeky move and scale SM Naruto above Butterfly Mode Chouji, who is uh, 6-C. 💀
 
Official multipliers that are accepted in this wiki.
First Gate: 5x
Curse Mark: 10x (could be higher)
Butterfly Mode: 100x.

I wonder if SM can be scaled above First Gate.
 
Padaruyos said:
Official multipliers that are accepted in this wiki.
First Gate: 5x
Curse Mark: 10x (could be higher)
Butterfly Mode: 100x.

I wonder if SM can be scaled above First Gate.
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The Curse Mark is not a traditional multiplier. I made a whole thread about this topic.
 
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